ON3P SKIS Discussion

[SupreChicken]

This option also exists -
Self Serving DownSkis Spamation:196 cm Countdown 114 Request
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...d.php?t=304821

[ScrewYou]

I missed the pre-sale on the 202cm Down this summer. I need to do more research on Down skis, but I like what I have seen so far. Maybe next summer that's the way to go. It is a bit too pin-tailed for my tastes on firm snow, but everything else looks right and I usually love pintail designs no matter what.. but I won't pay retail until I've hand fiddled. I only buy in the dark when it's cheap.

where are all the 198 Katanas that volkl made? Did someone hoard them all because I never, ever see them for sale used. It's like the great white unicorn.

Doesn't Igneous, out of the Tetons, make skis that long too?

[skuff]

Here's a used 191 Wren w/ 113 waist for the chargers out there. Not mine, buyer beware.

https://denver.craigslist.org/spo/5819305464.html

[galibier_numero_un]

The perfect poster for your new company Me? I'm past the days of tram laps. I was in high school when the original "Lange Girl" poster came up (adolescent dreams about her).

Indeed (about Epic resorts & I-70 in general) ... yer not gonna ski that fast without risk to your pass.

... Thom

GoPro videos to come this winter.. ill put videos up of each On3p i own. I ski tahoe resorts, and Jackson/LCC/Big Sky. I go by what my stupid ski app used to say. Is it really 65mph plus, IDK i dont have a radar gun? My home resort is Heavenly lol, and i just straightline this bitch. Funny, because I have never had my pass pulled, or even been stopped/talked to for speeding here. Whereas when I lived in Colorado, i always got stopped and had a "warning" from the yellow jackets, at basically every Epic resort..

Tahoe epic is more chill than Colorado epic. Except with wind closures. It didnt take me long to figure that out. Idk if its because tahoe epic doesnt have their shit together, but hey ill take it. Only thing is they fucken close lifts with 30 mph winds.

Have you ever done a tram lap at Jackson, and beat the tram back down, just to get right back on it? AKA real tram laps. Idk if lift lines are conducive of that anymore, but those are the speeds Im talking about...Man do i miss tram laps.

A plus size ski company would be so sick.

[optics]

The wren 108 isn't a powder ski, nor does it have the rocker profile or heft to be a shitfuck conditions charger.. I'm just confused on what it is?.

Have you skied it?

Like... on snow?

[2FUNKY]

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Doesn't Igneous, out of the Tetons, make skis that long too?

Came to suggest Iggys. I haven't skid them in many years but the ones I had, FFL, were burly af and bomber.
Oh, why aren't you pro, bro?

[Lindahl]

Here's a used 191 Wren w/ 113 waist for the chargers out there. Not mine, buyer beware.

https://denver.craigslist.org/spo/5819305464.html

That was mine. Sold it last week.

[Lindahl]

The perfect poster for your new company Me? I'm past the days of tram laps. I was in high school when the original "Lange Girl" poster came up (adolescent dreams about her).

Indeed (about Epic resorts & I-70 in general) ... yer not gonna ski that fast without risk to your pass.

... Thom

Not true at all. Lots of places where you can ski that fast out here.

[XavierD]

I got some 193 Bodacious in gear swap, Volkl makes a 194 Confession

Outside of dozen of you in the TGR echo chamber almost no one wants a 195 120mm ski... My guess is ON3P wouldn't sell 20 pairs of this ski.

If there was a market for it you would still be able to buy 192 Big Dumps, 198 RC113s, 196 Bodacious, etc etc... Those skis were not killed because of to much market demand.

Volkl and Blizzard might sell 400 pairs of 193 Confessors and Bodacious between the two of them in North America this year.

You all bitch about the demise of these skis but when they were avalible most of you had your checkbooks glued shut until they went on closeout. Guess what no one else wants 'em, it's up to you to buy them.

I'' willing to bet the 191 BG was 'killed' because no one would buy them. The 189 is the same ski anyway.


Sorry but plenty of skis similar to a 194 BG have been avalible and people didn't buy them... so stop pretending you all do but this shit, cause most of you don't, and even if you did asking some Indy company to develop a new mold for 8 of you is nïeve.

[tuco]

Oh, why aren't you pro, bro?

Hasn't been able to find skis long enough

[galibier_numero_un]

Not true at all. Lots of places where you can ski that fast out here.

Wasn't aware of "secret speed stashes" only powder stashes ;-)

... Thom

[Lindahl]

That groomer out in Outer Mongolia at Vail is primo. Good pitch and pretty much no one skis it.

[TexasGortex]

I'm part of the problem. I want skis in the 190s because I'm 6'4" not because I'm particularly gnar. I don't put my money where my mouth is every year though. I called for 190+ Kartels the first year and still haven't bought a pair. I try to use stuff multiple seasons and am not immune to close out deals. My wife got Kartels last year, Steeples this year, I'm thinking I'm up next... but meanwhile they will have done like 3 runs of the ski I want before I actually bought one. The 20 of us that want this stuff just don't have a sustainable volume. My house has 4 pairs of ON3Ps. That's pretty good. Spread out over 5 years, that's not going to feed anyone's kids. Especially since two of them were previous year models. The only pair in the 190s was custom ordered.

I think your custom skis are a really good solution. It would cost me $1,000 (ouch), but I'd get exactly what I want (191cm K116 tour layup, which I wouldn't think would sell very well to the mass market). My running total of skis-I've-bought-on-closeout-and-not-loved is just a bit over a thousand dollars.

I've ordered 2 custom skis from you before and had one great one so so experience. A quick turnaround time is definitely an incentive to buy, but nailing your deadline would be more important to me. I'll happily wait a long time for skis, but I want them once they are supposed to arrive. According to your website, your turnaround is currently WAY quicker than my previous over-the-summer orders which is awesome. It definitely looks like you are making big steps to refine your custom operation and I'd place another order when I need skis.

[abraham]

Volkl and Blizzard might sell 400 pairs of 193 Confessors and Bodacious between the two of them in North America this year.

Any guess for the worldwide total? At that volume I'm a little surprised they bother making them

[TAFKALVS]

Any guess for the worldwide total? At that volume I'm a little surprised they bother making them

It's a marketing exercise mostly. They probably have a few athletes that want a ski like that, and a few customers. Otherwise it's mostly to say they make the biggest baddest ski and have 1 pair on the shelf at key retailers. Which probably end up on closeout or resold to STP.

[ScrewYou]

Oh, why aren't you pro, bro?

Lol, i was waiting for this response..

Everything I said in the past 2 pages, READ:
Big but still athletic.

[Gman]

How are all you mags fine with the fact that On3p dialed back the new wren 108 from the older 191 wren? You guys that ski like a madman, should be livid..

Reading through the On3p threads from 2013-2015, every time they softened the Wrenegade, they got a hell of a lot of shit for doing so. Now, everyone's fine with it..

I'm not trying to make it out to be some wimp ski, but it didn't go the direction that personally I saw the wren 108 going.

The rest of the lineup is primo, besides a missing mid 190s BG.. I am one of the biggest On3p fanboys on here, full on pom poms over here, and I know the 189 BG and Wren will be a great ski. I just already own 186 viciks, and 191 Billy Goats, and I want "more ski" the next time I purchase a wren or BG..

Also, I want my fat voice heard, more and more, and hopefully On3p will SEE there are people who buy big skis. We just gotta coordinate better I think.

Most people haven't skied the new wren 108 which I imagine why more people haven't vocalized an opinion. A stiffer Wren 189 can be had for an extra $25 over stock MSRP which should help alleviate some of the concern bigger people have about the stiffness.

[adrenalated]

Hey ON3P, I'm still waiting for that ski that tickles my nuts when I turn left, assholes.

[ScrewYou]

Already said this, atleast twice.. a better ski dot com had their male and female testers ride a stiffer version of the Wren 108, and the consesus was it was a "forgiving charger" leaning much more towards the charger side. They said it wasnt as stable at mach looney as other skis in the category, but more versatile in trees and tight spots, and like a Line Supernatural with a bit more backbone.

Now that was a larger female and a smaller sized guy..

Put someone my size on it, and my ability, and I already know what the result will be.. a fun charger

I dont want a fun charger tho.. when i want to charge some days, i want a quiver ski designed for the terminator

[ScrewYou]

Hey ON3P, I'm still waiting for that ski that tickles my nuts when I turn left, assholes.

I saw a comparison like this earlier this year..

Lets say you weigh 140-160 lbs, 5'10ish, and ski 186cm because youre a good skier.. like many TGR posters do... Why is it impossible to imagine a 6'3 215 lb, football build-type person, that skis almost as hard, needing a 196cm?

Its more important for us to have that level of stability too, because when us big guys fall at those higher speeds, we tend to hurt ourselves much more often than average sized individuals.

Someone already said it. 100%, the reason is because I am in the minority.

Moment makes 196cm and 194cm skis. They produce enough to make their larger customers happy, and not too much where they are losing money. I know On3p can achieve similar coordination between themselves and their buyers.

I bought a custom beefmaster praxis this year for charging old growth, and a MSRP Head Monster for charging open spaces.. i would have gladly saved money and went with just a 196 On3p beefmaster, instead of both those other ones. But it wasnt offered..

[PowTron]

For those wonder about the "A Better Ski" review that is being mentioned in the thread, here it is:
http://abetterski.com/ski-reviews/on...08-ski-review/

And the text from the review:
ON3P Wrenegade 108 2017 - 2016 Review by A Better Ski

"The Wrenegade line has undergone a few changes for 16/17 including going from a 112 underfoot to the new ON3P Wrenegade 108. The ski also has a revamped taper and slightly raised tail, making it a bit easier to engage and a bit more versatile over the mountain. We both really loved this ski, and could see it becoming a daily driver for a lot of people. It’s powerful, fast, stable, and yet maneuverable and surprisingly relaxed for such a big ski."

While this pair was "slightly stiffer" than stock you have the same flex on this production Wren 108 model as the older Wren 113/112. The ease that Matt talks about in this ski is not because it is softer and more pansy ass, it is due to the shape being more conducive to skiing in varying snow conditions.

Hope that helps clear up the flex debate of 2016.

[adrenalated]

It's not a question of whether or not there are people that want/need/think they need skis like that.

It's a question of whether or not enough people will actually BUY that ski, at full MSRP, to justify stopping production on skis they know will sell, and investing the time/money into the molds and building the ski. Clearly, given their history with trying to sell long stiff skis, ON3P doesn't feel that equation makes sense. But I'm sure if you can gather up enough people (I don't know what the number is) to put down a deposit and commit to buying them, they'll consider it.

Otherwise, if you really feel there's a market that's not being served, start a company to serve it. That's how most great businesses, including ON3P, got their start.

[ScrewYou]

I KNOW itll be a great, versatile ski. But that guy is pretty small, on the 184. Go up one size person, the 189 makes sense. Go up another size though, My size, and i need a 194.

Ive met people who are larger than me, and ski harder.. although probably less bitchy.

Honestly, if On3p makes a big charger ski next year, ill for sure put down a deposit. There might be 10 guys on here who will buy a pair, maybe 5 guys from NS. 2 from Epic.

If not, a skinny, stiffy, praxis Ullr will be collecting my moneyz next year.

[abraham]

Is this ski politics?

No. It's economics

[ScrewYou]

Well than ill ask how moment and praxis did/do it, and get back to you

Maybe i should just lose 25 lbs..