ON3P SKIS Discussion

[Power_Sauce]

Have some 184cm Grizzlycorn Steeple 112's about to go up in gear swap. Mounted 2x (cast and rad2). Figured I'd cross post for the ON3P fanboys in this thread. Pm me if interested.

[adrenalated]

Have some 184cm Grizzlycorn Steeple 112's about to go up in gear swap. Mounted 2x (cast and rad2). Figured I'd cross post for the ON3P fanboys in this thread. Pm me if interested.

BSL on the Rad2 mount? What is the CAST mount (as the mount pattern for CAST matches whatever alpine binding you use)? Price?

[iggyskier]

Hey not sure if I've done something wrong, I submitted a warranty application on April 22nd and have yet to hear back. I have followed up with emails and messages through the website. I have yet to call because I am not home during your hours but I guess taking a sick day to work this out is the next step? Or just wait longer? Order #5900

Hey Dennis - I am not seeing any applications from April - only something from late February about topsheet chipping - maybe I am missing it though. I'll respond to that message directly - just shoot me the details and I will get back to you. Thanks.

[tenB]

Hey not sure if I've done something wrong, I submitted a warranty application on April 22nd and have yet to hear back. I have followed up with emails and messages through the website. I have yet to call because I am not home during your hours but I guess taking a sick day to work this out is the next step? Or just wait longer? Order #5900

You need to take a sick day to make one phone call? Damn millennials .....

[Muggydude]

Wait topsheets aren't supposed to remain cosmetically perfect?

[iggyskier]

Wait topsheets aren't supposed to remain cosmetically perfect?

Well, it was quite the chip - no harm in emailing for advice. New edges are sharp. This appears to be a different issue though, based on the dates, so we'll get it taken care of.

[Muggydude]

^ A+ stuff as usual

[PowTron]

BSL on the Rad2 mount? What is the CAST mount (as the mount pattern for CAST matches whatever alpine binding you use)? Price?

Do you think you can get a sticker of a white-fro on the Grizzlycorn's head, though? That is the question.

[TahoeJ]

At some point i have read this entire thread, but i forget and it's a recockulously long thread, so can anyone compare wren 98 and 108?

Tahoej, n1ck, powtrin, iggy?

I only have several hours on the Wren 108, but I did have 35 to 40-something days on the Wren 112 so I can sort of infer some of the traits that didn't change (if that makes sense). Wren 108 is way more of a charger than the 98 and thrives at faster speeds, while the 98 is more comfortable making a variety of turn shapes and is less demanding, especially at slower speeds. However, I will say there was a much bigger performance gap between the 112's and the 98's compared to the 108's, which have become noticeably more user friendly without sacrificing the ability to charge. The slightly narrower waist, and more so, the addition of some tail rocker, are likely the reasons for this. My initial reaction is that they might end up being my favorite skis I've ever owned (BG is still the reigning champ) and I'm anxious to get them into some colder snow next season.

[RudyGarmisch]

Several days touring and resort on the Wren 108, and I've skied a variety of various versions of the Wren over the years. The current incarnation is the "friendliest charger" of them all - it still definitely goes balls to the wall and begs to push your current top speed, but can be shut down and tamed quickly if you roll suddenly into obscenely heinous conditions. It's a trainer for developing your big mountain GS turns. I've loved my BG's for years but this current setup may be my go to quiver-of-one ski for trips.

It's not going to be that sort of ski for everyone. But if you like stiff, aggressive and big turns, stop thinking about it and just get on board.

[N1CK.]

I skied the 98 on a good day and never clicked with it, but I have another 98mm ski that I love, so ...

The tails of the 98 and 108 appear very similar, but the 98 felt locked in more than I liked. 98 was a demo so I'm assuming it was tuned well. The 108 was just more fun to me. Great in bad snow, plenty of float in deep snow, super stable going fast, everything is easier with speed. It's a winner.

[stay amphibious]

Just picked up some 16/17 demo Billy Goats, beyond excited to test them on another Mountain Collective trip next year. I already have the 15/16/ Kartel 106s, anybody willing to chime in on how they'll feel different? Certainly looking forward to a more traditionally mounted ski for big days.

[ScrewYou]

Oh man. You're going to have a blast.

[auvgeek]

Just picked up some 16/17 demo Billy Goats, beyond excited to test them on another Mountain Collective trip next year. I already have the 15/16/ Kartel 106s, anybody willing to chime in on how they'll feel different? Certainly looking forward to a more traditionally mounted ski for big days.

I have experience with the older models of both skis, and perhaps the differences between them are more subtle now than a few years ago. Also, I'm 5'11" and 160-165# skiing the 191 BG and the 186 Jeffrey, both extra stiff. The 191 extra stiff BG is a pretty big ski for me, while the 184 std layup would be a totally different experience.

Disclaimers aside: the Kartel responds best to a pretty neutral stance while the BG likes to be driven. The BG is a stomp machine with a wide balance point for (straight) airs into deep snow, while the Kartel requires a little more precise landing to avoid going over the bars or wheelie-ing out. The BG is looser, and easier to slarve at speed in deep snow. That RES tip really floats, and they are just intuitive at speed in deep snow and deep chop/tracked snow, unlike the Kartel/Jeffrey which I found requires a more effort to stay balanced fore/aft. However, the BG sucks at skiing switch (even back when they had a twin) because the shape makes them basically unstable in yaw, but the Kartel is right at home. The Kartel's progressive mount point makes for a more-even swing weight, so spins are easier. I've thrown big 3s on the BG, but they don't want to come around quickly. Maybe one day I'll sack up for a 7, but that sounds scary. The newer BG is better on groomers, but I suspect the Kartel still has it beat by quite a margin. On steep, firm snow, pintails have the natural disadvantage of wanting to hook up at the tip before the tail, basically high-siding you. This happens less on the Kartel.

[stay amphibious]

I have experience with the older models of both skis, and perhaps the differences between them are more subtle now than a few years ago. Also, I'm 5'11" and 160-165# skiing the 191 BG and the 186 Jeffrey, both extra stiff. The 191 extra stiff BG is a pretty big ski for me, while the 184 std layup would be a totally different experience.

Disclaimers aside: the Kartel responds best to a pretty neutral stance while the BG likes to be driven. The BG is a stomp machine with a wide balance point for (straight) airs into deep snow, while the Kartel requires a little more precise landing to avoid going over the bars or wheelie-ing out. The BG is looser, and easier to slarve at speed in deep snow. That RES tip really floats, and they are just intuitive at speed in deep snow and deep chop/tracked snow, unlike the Kartel/Jeffrey which I found requires a more effort to stay balanced fore/aft. However, the BG sucks at skiing switch (even back when they had a twin) because the shape makes them basically unstable in yaw, but the Kartel is right at home. The Kartel's progressive mount point makes for a more-even swing weight, so spins are easier. I've thrown big 3s on the BG, but they don't want to come around quickly. Maybe one day I'll sack up for a 7, but that sounds scary. The newer BG is better on groomers, but I suspect the Kartel still has it beat by quite a margin. On steep, firm snow, pintails have the natural disadvantage of wanting to hook up at the tip before the tail, basically high-siding you. This happens less on the Kartel.

This is great, I'm 5'10 175 and I'm going from the 181 kartel to the 184 BG. I've definitely noticed the tendency for the kartel to be high maintenance in deep snow and was looking for something more willing to move. Thanks again, couldn't be more excited to try it out come winter.

[auvgeek]

I think you'll be really stoked on it. The 184 stock layup should be pretty easy for someone of your size to maneuver around.

[Bruce Springskiin]

I got to demo and compare the new BG 116 in 189, the Wren 108 in 189 and the Kartel 116 in 186 this weekend on hot summer snow. Figured I would share my thoughts while fresh for reference in the fall when we start fondling skis again.

My skiing; patroller style pushing myself and confident to ski almost anywhere, but not young enough to enjoy crashing. 30 years skiing 6'-1" 210lbs. Daily driver and baseline ski for the test, 2016 Wren 112 186cm. I like a ski that challenges me, requires input and rewards with stability.

First ski, the Wrenegade 108 189. It is more user friendly than the older Wrenegades. The tail is softer feeling to me, more forgiving, but less of a stable platform fore and aft. I did not feel as confident at speed compared to my older Wrenegades. But there are plenty of positives. Nice long edge feel while turning. Ease of turn in has improved. I recommend it for the directional skier, you just do not have to be as aggressive with it as one used to be.

The second ski, Billygoat 116 189. Not the conditions these skis were intended for, but they are not a one-trick-goat. The biggest difference I could feel from the wren, was these use the edge right under foot first, and can make a quick turn. This is where you sense they are better suited for deeper softer snow. But like Billygoats in the past when you need it the rest of the ski the tip or tail come on board very smoothly. My advice is do not be afraid to size up, it felt like a much shorter ski than 189.

Third Ski, Kartel 116 186. Do not over look this ski as a freestyle only ski. It really can be a quiver of one, that is also fun and playful. On edge the tips and tails engage more than the BG. But the tails are easy to rock back on and pop and hop over stuff. From my experience with the Jeffery 114 I do not think you are going bury the tips in deep snow.

Unfortunately after skiing these three skis the poma lift broke and i missed getting too play with any of the other skis. But my take-a-ways. I would like to ski a 191 Kartel 116, if it were just a little more aggressive I think it could replace my Wren 112 as a go to. All three of these skis have their subtle strengths, but over lap and could make a quiver of one, just geared towards your individual style. ON3P really has their line dialed in, and almost hard to figure out where to go from here. I miss the aggressive outlier of the past that challenges you and rewards you. So will be keeping a eye out for a bigger Kartel, or bigger Wren in the future.

[mr_pretzel]

As the proud owner of 186 k116 as a fun easy soft snow ski, I definitely think the 191 with a stiffer layup would be an absolutely killer ski. Still super fun and playfull, but would have the backbone to charge hard. The version I have now is amazing and you can ski it quite hard, just in variable conditions I keep wondering if a stiffer version would absolutely kill.

[PowTron]

I got to demo and compare the new BG 116 in 189, the Wren 108 in 189 and the Kartel 116 in 186 this weekend on hot summer snow. Figured I would share my thoughts while fresh for reference in the fall when we start fondling skis again.

My skiing; patroller style pushing myself and confident to ski almost anywhere, but not young enough to enjoy crashing. 30 years skiing 6'-1" 210lbs. Daily driver and baseline ski for the test, 2016 Wren 112 186cm. I like a ski that challenges me, requires input and rewards with stability.

First ski, the Wrenegade 108 189. It is more user friendly than the older Wrenegades. The tail is softer feeling to me, more forgiving, but less of a stable platform fore and aft. I did not feel as confident at speed compared to my older Wrenegades. But there are plenty of positives. Nice long edge feel while turning. Ease of turn in has improved. I recommend it for the directional skier, you just do not have to be as aggressive with it as one used to be.

The second ski, Billygoat 116 189. Not the conditions these skis were intended for, but they are not a one-trick-goat. The biggest difference I could feel from the wren, was these use the edge right under foot first, and can make a quick turn. This is where you sense they are better suited for deeper softer snow. But like Billygoats in the past when you need it the rest of the ski the tip or tail come on board very smoothly. My advice is do not be afraid to size up, it felt like a much shorter ski than 189.

Third Ski, Kartel 116 186. Do not over look this ski as a freestyle only ski. It really can be a quiver of one, that is also fun and playful. On edge the tips and tails engage more than the BG. But the tails are easy to rock back on and pop and hop over stuff. From my experience with the Jeffery 114 I do not think you are going bury the tips in deep snow.

Unfortunately after skiing these three skis the poma lift broke and i missed getting too play with any of the other skis. But my take-a-ways. I would like to ski a 191 Kartel 116, if it were just a little more aggressive I think it could replace my Wren 112 as a go to. All three of these skis have their subtle strengths, but over lap and could make a quiver of one, just geared towards your individual style. ON3P really has their line dialed in, and almost hard to figure out where to go from here. I miss the aggressive outlier of the past that challenges you and rewards you. So will be keeping a eye out for a bigger Kartel, or bigger Wren in the future.

I had no idea that was you demoing at Beartooth! Thanks for the write-ups and hope you are enjoying your skis

[mtnjam]

Iggy and PowTron, you'll be happy to know I found something last Monday after a 6 month entombment in snow. I can't believe I didn't find it when I lost it, but it must have augered in just below where I was looking for it.
I skied right over the top of it plenty of times this season and event went up for a few laps after the lifts stopped turning to look for it, but never found it until last Monday. Stoked to have my Vicik back! The edges are still bomber, albeit rusty and the base is perfect. Thanks again for making a bomber ski!

[N1CK.]

Iggy and PowTron, you'll be happy to know I found something last Monday after a 6 month entombment in snow. I can't believe I didn't find it when I lost it, but it must have augered in just below where I was looking for it.
I skied right over the top of it plenty of times this season and event went up for a few laps after the lifts stopped turning to look for it, but never found it until last Monday. Stoked to have my Vicik back! The edges are still bomber, albeit rusty and the base is perfect. Thanks again for making a bomber ski!

This ^^^ is awesome!

[Bruce Springskiin]

I had no idea that was you demoing at Beartooth! Thanks for the write-ups and hope you are enjoying your skis

No worries I had no idea who anyone was either. Good times up there, I'll be staying tuned in for the Wren 114 you spoke about a while back. If not that, maybe I'll try the 191 Jeffrey 116 this year.

[paal]

All the current Wrens seem to share the same rocker profile/EE. Will the 114 have a longer rocker profile/less EE?
Starting to think that a W98 + W114 with CAST2 and inserts on heels would make all my other skis obsolete…

[PowTron]

All the current Wrens seem to share the same rocker profile/EE. Will the 114 have a longer rocker profile/less EE?
Starting to think that a W98 + W114 with CAST2 and inserts on heels would make all my other skis obsolete…

It's still under development so can't share any more info just yet.

With that said we really, really like the current Wren rocker profile with the radius and flex and slight taper changes between the different Wrens [emoji106]

[PowTron]

Iggy and PowTron, you'll be happy to know I found something last Monday after a 6 month entombment in snow. I can't believe I didn't find it when I lost it, but it must have augered in just below where I was looking for it.
I skied right over the top of it plenty of times this season and event went up for a few laps after the lifts stopped turning to look for it, but never found it until last Monday. Stoked to have my Vicik back! The edges are still bomber, albeit rusty and the base is perfect. Thanks again for making a bomber ski!

Awesome. Congrats on finding it!