ON3P SKIS Discussion

[SchralphMacchio]

Has anyone tried mounting their Wrens at +1 or +2? I have two pair of Woodsmen in the quiver that see a similar number of days. When I take the Wrenegade 102ti out, Im always feeling behind them a bit...long after settling-in on the day, so thinking about a remount a bit more forward...but I keep hearing Iggys voice saying On The Line! Thanks

Do you have calf spoilers in your boot? Might be worth trying that. Or maybe adding a 1-2mm shim under your binding heelpiece? I’m just thinking of ways to automatically bring more weight forward onto that Wren ... I haven’t skied on Wrens since 2013 when I didn’t really know how to ski, so that doesnt count lol.

[Name Redacted]

Me too. I had some Wrens bitd when they first made them. Couldnt ski them for shit. I think it was partially the tune, partially my skill level, and partially my Scarpa freedom boots.

Ended up trading them with a mag for some Asym BGs and it was the best thing to ever happen to me. Totally took my skiing to the next level.

[Doremite]

I don’t know when the Wren became more reasonable but I believe ~2013 it was more of a beast that it was ~2016+. I think the 2012s (?) are legendarily max charge.

[CaliBrit]

Are people loving the Woodsman one-o-eight? About to mount up a pair but just have so many skis in this width.

Don’t worry I’ll tune them before I ski

[SchralphMacchio]

Are people loving the Woodsman one-o-eight? About to mount up a pair but just have so many skis in this width.

Don’t worry I’ll tune them before I ski

I think the current 108 is nearly the same ski as the previous 110, except with a slightly narrower waist and 1 cm chopped off the tail. Mount point stayed the same (relative to the rest of the ski, it only “moved back” by way of the tail spacer losing 1cm), and I think core and flex profile stayed the same.
Anyways I have two pairs of 110s, one with three mounts and one that is unmounted, if that is any testament to how much I love those skis for PNW snow. The three mounts on mine are the OG demo binding mount, a mount for Pivots on the line, and my remount at +1 for Marker Duke PTs because I henceforth proclaimed that these would be my one-ski-quiver travel skis that could serve inbounds and lift accessed backcountry or roadside touring all in the same.
Driveable on the line but still extremely loose, decent on firm snow for the size, very good on softening snow where only the top surface is soft, amazing in high density soft PNW not-too-deep or not-too-cake-battery conditions, and planky in cold smoke blower. Very fast to pivot and more fun in the air at +1, with a slight loss of suspension performance in variable snow.
I felt that the OG108s were unforgiving at 177cm for my 140 lbs frame but the 182cm 110s are not too much for me to handle, actually just right. (And now I’m struggling on 182 veneer Billy Goats but that is a separate issue). Enjoy!

[cocoapuff]

Pygmy Goats. The Goat. 2014. https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...30016272%22%7D

[SchralphMacchio]

Sigh, these used Goats in my size always pop up when I’ve already raided my gear account for other projects etc!

Curious how the 2014 114s compare to current gen 118s. I’m biased towards the idea of a 118 for junk cake batter snow inbounds.

[Marko888]

I had 182 Woodsman 110s, now new custom Woodsman 181 108s in soft flex. I don't charge too hard and wanted a bit more maneuverability. The previous reply is on point...the 110 felt planky in blower over hard, but pretty great in any supportive snow. One thing to add is the new 108 has a tighter radius, so come around a bit easier than the 110.

[CaliBrit]

I think the current 108 is nearly the same ski as the previous 110, except with a slightly narrower waist and 1 cm chopped off the tail. Mount point stayed the same (relative to the rest of the ski, it only “moved back” by way of the tail spacer losing 1cm), and I think core and flex profile stayed the same.
Anyways I have two pairs of 110s, one with three mounts and one that is unmounted, if that is any testament to how much I love those skis for PNW snow. The three mounts on mine are the OG demo binding mount, a mount for Pivots on the line, and my remount at +1 for Marker Duke PTs because I henceforth proclaimed that these would be my one-ski-quiver travel skis that could serve inbounds and lift accessed backcountry or roadside touring all in the same.
Driveable on the line but still extremely loose, decent on firm snow for the size, very good on softening snow where only the top surface is soft, amazing in high density soft PNW not-too-deep or not-too-cake-battery conditions, and planky in cold smoke blower. Very fast to pivot and more fun in the air at +1, with a slight loss of suspension performance in variable snow.
I felt that the OG108s were unforgiving at 177cm for my 140 lbs frame but the 182cm 110s are not too much for me to handle, actually just right. (And now I’m struggling on 182 veneer Billy Goats but that is a separate issue). Enjoy!

Appreciate this thanks!

[dschane]

Looking at the Woodsman 108, ripper rocker, touring layup for a touring ski. Anyone have any input? Or even just the ripper rocker?I struggle a bit between the 50/50 layup or the full on touring. Seems like the weight savings is worth it? That is, any compromise in performance is very small.

[kid-kapow]

just popped on by to post that BG108tours are still AMAZING touring skis. They make skiing shit snow kinda enjoyable, slay fresh. Near telepathic ability to pivot. More than good enough on hard snow - drives well from the rear while two foot carving. Possibly the best -10 mount point 110ish touring ski on the market - so damned good - which says a lot as BMT109s are freaking magical as well. It is hard to recommend them enough - get them while you can. Skied with Tectons mounted at rec and Scarpa Quattro 130s.

[Power_Sauce]

just popped on by to post that BG108tours are still AMAZING touring skis. They make skiing shit snow kinda enjoyable, slay fresh. Near telepathic ability to pivot. More than good enough on hard snow - drives well from the rear while two foot carving. Possibly the best -10 mount point 110ish touring ski on the market - so damned good - which says a lot as BMT109s are freaking magical as well. It is hard to recommend them enough - get them while you can. Skied with Tectons mounted at rec and Scarpa Quattro 130s.

I’ve been getting more time on my pair as well, and have a similar sentiment! Really versatile touring skis, great weight vs performance, and a surprisingly high speed limit! Haven’t skied them in much 2d snow, but in anything 3d they rip.


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[CaliBrit]

Selling some brand new WD one-o-eights if anyone is interested. Gear swap. One eight six length.

[SchralphMacchio]

Schralph, Id try mounting them a bit forward if you can (no more than 1cm) and detuning tips/tails. Also ski them a few more days. Standard BG adjustment period. Effective edge on BGs is quite a bit less than Woods and BGs tail is designed to release easier. So BGs should ski shorter than Woods. Im just a little bit bigger than you and ski the 186/187s. Im +1cm on my 187s and they are cold dead hands skis. They are the 110s tho. I think flex is very similar between Woods and BGs. Dont give up on em. Theres magic to be unlocked.

I’ve secured some Demo Strives that I will throw on these so that I can play with mount point and try to find a sweet spot for my strength and style. And if they are too much for me still then I can have them as a loaner or sell with demos as a third mount.

I looked at the custom ski page and it says that BGs should be 1/2 point softer than Woods, though the veneer might bring them back up … it occured to me that these may be a custom build with stiff flex because they do feel stiffer than my 182 Woods … the seller did say they were Custom but didn’t have the details. Doh!

Anyways we’ll see what the mount point unlocks, I can see there is magic there. I skied my Tracer 118s in thick heavy wind affected pow today and they were manageable and mostly smooth … but not as magical nor as smashy through the variable wind affected snow as the BGs!

[skuff]

I’ve secured some Demo Strives that I will throw on these so that I can play with mount point and try to find a sweet spot for my strength and style. And if they are too much for me still then I can have them as a loaner or sell with demos as a third mount. I looked at the custom ski page and it says that BGs should be 1/2 point softer than Woods, though the veneer might bring them back up … it occured to me that these may be a custom build with stiff flex because they do feel stiffer than my 182 Woods … the seller did say they were Custom but didn’t have the details. Doh! Anyways we’ll see what the mount point unlocks, I can see there is magic there. I skied my Tracer 118s in thick heavy wind affected pow today and they were manageable and mostly smooth … but not as magical nor as smashy through the variable wind affected snow as the BGs!

Exchanging emails with ON3P I learned about flex regarding the veneer...

QuoteOne other quirk. With a wood veneer - like your 108s - to account for the stiffer flex the veneer adds to the ski, we build with a thinner soft core. That is standard with any veneer. End Quote

[CallMeAl]

dschane- The quote function isn't working for me.

I just got back from a work trip to Portland where I made a day to ski some demo Woodsman 100s w/ Ripper Rocker at Hood. I skied a mix of chalk, old cold pow, and ice. They are definitely more stable than the same ski with signature rocker would be. They prefer to be driven vs scrubbed, but you can still release the tails to change the shape of your turn at any speed. Still way easier in every way than a Wren (even the easy Wren 108s/114s) and I did not find a speed limit on these. Buddy's Strava said we were hitting mid 50s in speed, I have no idea how accurate that is.

Even though there is more contact, I found them to be quicker edge to edge than a Woodsman with signature rocker while in a carve . I was surprised, but I suppose it makes sense since the tighter portion of the tip radius is simply closer to the snow.

I would not personally get a tour layup for inbounds use (5'9 160lbs). I think ON3P's tour core skis better than any other touring ski I've been on and my BG108Ts are cold dead hands skis, but I like some mass in my resort skis. I can't speak to 50/50, never tried it.

[jacob_dbu]

Skied my Jeffrey 118s the other day. Awesome skis. Mounted at -1 from rec which I'm happy with. They appear to have a slightly lower top speed than my Woodsman as they get bucked a bit more with the softer flex, but the poppiness is so fun and the top speed is still plenty plenty high.

[Going Coastal]

dschane- The quote function isn't working for me.

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I would not personally get a tour layup for inbounds use (5'9 160lbs). I think ON3P's tour core skis better than any other touring ski I've been on and my BG108Ts are cold dead hands skis, but I like some mass in my resort skis. I can't speak to 50/50, never tried it.

I don't have any experience on the Woods or with ripper rocker, but I have some Jeffs with a tour core and they are surprisingly damp for their weight. So asuming the inbounds is Eaglecrest (per profile saying Juneau) I would say the tour core isn't that big of a drawback on a resort day. Take it down to WA and things are different, of course.

[Marko888]

I don't have any experience on the Woods or with ripper rocker, but I have some Jeffs with a tour core and they are surprisingly damp for their weight. So asuming the inbounds is Eaglecrest (per profile saying Juneau) I would say the tour core isn't that big of a drawback on a resort day. Take it down to WA and things are different, of course.

One negative to the Tour core is giving up some of the legendary ON3P durability.

[dschane]

Thanks fellas. It would be 80% backcountry and 20% Eaglecrest, so I appreciate the input. WD108 tour in ripper rocker is high my wish list.

[IceBumps]

I took my 118 BG's to Breck this past week, which was my first time skiing them in deep powder. In the open, they were awesome in the fresh pow and blasted through the leftovers. I had some difficulty at first in the trees as I kept getting the over the handlebars feeling. Once I figured them out, they pivoted and slid through the woods and moguls with some quickness. The best was catching the rope drop on whales tail today, they can definitely charge hard. I guess I'm officially a fanboy.

[PowTron]

I took my 118 BG's to Breck this past week, which was my first time skiing them in deep powder. In the open, they were awesome in the fresh pow and blasted through the leftovers. I had some difficulty at first in the trees as I kept getting the over the handlebars feeling. Once I figured them out, they pivoted and slid through the woods and moguls with some quickness. The best was catching the rope drop on whales tail today, they can definitely charge hard. I guess I'm officially a fanboy.

Glad you like them. I’ve been on BGs for years and this year 118 has been my favorite all-around. Yes I’m biased, but I’m telling everyone this is the best version of the Billy goat ever created.

This past Friday was perfect in Colorado.


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[PowTron]

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Yep…with the new construction and taper. It’s the best of old and new.


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[SchralphMacchio]

You know us PNW types get awful suspicious when two dudes from CO are giving glowing reviews of the changes to the BG, right? [emoji12]

Well, half wink and half serious. We need cake batter surfers here, not blower pow shredders!

Anyways, I have some 179 BG116s imminently inbounds, set up for Pivots a hair forward of the line for my BSL. And I’m gonna get my 182 (custom stiff) veneer BG118s remounted with demos this week. So one of these damn skis had better work for me in bottomless PNW cake batter! And hopefully both, the shorties for the trees and the wood eagles for alpine/open terrain! [emoji869]

[PowTron]

You know us PNW types get awful suspicious when two dudes from CO are giving glowing reviews of the changes to the BG, right? [emoji12]

Well, half wink and half serious. We need cake batter surfers here, not blower pow shredders!

Anyways, I have some 179 BG116s imminently inbounds, set up for Pivots a hair forward of the line for my BSL. And I’m gonna get my 182 (custom stiff) veneer BG118s remounted with demos this week. So one of these damn skis had better work for me in bottomless PNW cake batter! And hopefully both, the shorties for the trees and the wood eagles for alpine/open terrain! [emoji869]

I get it. But don’t hate on us for having better snow quality [emoji6]


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