ON3P SKIS Discussion

[eSock]

After three days of riding Billy goats at revy, my legs are absolutely ded, especially when day 3 was mostly heavy concrete and sand snow/rain

[on3pbg]

After three days of riding Billy goats at revy, my legs are absolutely ded, especially when day 3 was mostly heavy concrete and sand snow/rain

Should have told me you were there!!! Could have shown you the locals treatment haha. Next time!!

You got Revelstoke on one of the best days it’s ever had. 60cm in like 20 hours lol let’s go!!!


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[CoolioIglesias]

ON3P quiver is growing.

Finally broke down and ordered custom Billy Goat 118s on Christmas day. Fucking pumped.

The BG will join my '17 Kartel 108 and '21 Woodsman 102.

[eSock]

Should have told me you were there!!! Could have shown you the locals treatment haha. Next time!!

You got Revelstoke on one of the best days it’s ever had. 60cm in like 20 hours lol let’s go!!!


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Woulda been fun! Barely made it before the pass closed and had no idea what we were getting ourselves into. First day was unreal for sure though! Definitely want to come back again after that experience! Wanted to do some touring but the weather/snowpack just didn't seem to be cooperating.

Now in red for a few days, arrived as they closed down for the day due to power line going down. Here's hoping it's not as wet as the drive was. Might break out the dw104s instead just to give my legs a break if they're still sore tmrw [emoji23]

[jacob_dbu]

I don't like the way Moment skis feel. I know others do and I'm not trying to take away from that, but I find them lifeless and dead while also not being super damp either. Worst of both worlds. But I haven't skied their touring layup, so YMMV.

You know, I’m starting to get that feeling a little bit too. I think they’re torsionally much stiffer, which is good in windbuff that the Sierras tend to get, but gives that dead-ness feeling. In contrast though, I think they are rather damp, but overly stiff. It actually makes me pretty intrigued by a touring layup.

[auvgeek]

It actually makes me pretty intrigued by a touring layup.

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I wonder how different the touring layups would really feel, especially in the wider skis. ON3P uses bamboo and paulownia, while Moment uses ash and paulownia. On the wider skis, I wonder if there's enough bamboo or ash in the core to really make a huge difference in feel. I bet the touring skis (say Jeffrey 118 Tour vs Wildcat Tour) feel much more similar than the inbounds layups do where it's full bamboo vs poplar/ash.

[PeachesNCream]

I don't like the way Moment skis feel. I know others do and I'm not trying to take away from that, but I find them lifeless and dead while also not being super damp either. Worst of both worlds. But I haven't skied their touring layup, so YMMV.

I wouldn't call them lifeless and dead but I know exactly what you're talking about, especially compared to a bamboo on3p core. Moment's park ski is bamboo. I've always been curious what a deathwish/wildcat in a bamboo layup would be like

[PeachesNCream]

Now in red for a few days, arrived as they closed down for the day due to power line going down. Here's hoping it's not as wet as the drive was. Might break out the dw104s instead just to give my legs a break if they're still sore tmrw [emoji23]

I had a couple runs on red yesterday before the lifts closed. Yeah it was heavy but I don't think it rained much, just heavy snow. And we were only made it half way up the mountain before the power blew. I bet the top half of the mountain was much lighter

[eSock]

I had a couple runs on red yesterday before the lifts closed. Yeah it was heavy but I don't think it rained much, just heavy snow. And we were only made it half way up the mountain before the power blew. I bet the top half of the mountain was much lighter

Top still hasn't opened but lots of soft snow falling on top of some brutally heavy snow, so fingers crossed tmrw goes better

[ExPowderSnob]

I'm starting to think ON3P skis don't actually exist and the whole website it just trolling the community. How are they eternally sold out???

[MoeSnow]

I'm starting to think ON3P skis don't actually exist and the whole website it just trolling the community. How are they eternally sold out???

Black Friday + Holidays probably ate up all of the stock.

I noticed they've started stocking 50/50 for some of the Woodsmans...

[jacob_dbu]

I wouldn't call them lifeless and dead but I know exactly what you're talking about, especially compared to a bamboo on3p core. Moment's park ski is bamboo. I've always been curious what a deathwish/wildcat in a bamboo layup would be like

I bet they would be really fun...but they'd also probably ski more like an ON3P ski.

[on3pbg]

I'm starting to think ON3P skis don't actually exist and the whole website it just trolling the community. How are they eternally sold out???

Hot tip, email them directly sometimes even if it says sold out.

They sometimes have stock coming out that’s not updated on the website and they will let you know that…I’ve done that with a few pairs.



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[detrusor]

Just here to say again how much the Super Goats absolutely slay it. Skied at snowbird today with zero complaints.


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[cecaldjong]

Seems you've figured them out?

I believe so - at least enough to have fun and feel I’m competently applying them across a variety of terrain & conditions. The overall surprise to me was that they weren’t an instant “hit” on the slopes given all the acclaim I had read. Instead, the first day left me confused if it was the right ski for me (whatever that could be, I’ll never really know), if I had the right skill to pilot them, were conditions appropriate, blah blah blah.

Painting with a broad brush here, but I found my traditional turn initiation (through driving front edge pressure) blew the rear ski edge and shortened the edges up way too much because I was used to just pure drive with few drawbacks (on a salomonq98, slight tail rocker). Well now I think i have to be more selective with how much forward pressure I apply before going and finishing off the rest of the turn. And frankly, I believe my newer skis ski great with a pretty neutral stance - more neutral pressure throughout footbed, and slightly less forward aggressive body positioning. The neutral stance felt plain lazy to me at first, like cheating. But I think I came to the conclusion it left me better prepared for a host of other techniques with less required prep time - like suddenly slashing or popping off something with almost no notice.

Anyways, give it a few days if you can. Your experiences resonate with me. Off piste was easier than on at first blush with the woodsman for me as well.

For what it’s worth, I have the regular layup as I wanted to see what a heavier ski felt like. I think the ski “opened up” at muuuuuuch higher speeds than I initially would ever have guessed. My older Salomon q98s would have deflected me into a ditch had I tried skiing them the same way I plowed and launched into snow the way I have with the woodsman’s. I just say that to mean I don’t ski around anything with the on3ps, I know the ski can drive through all kinds of chunky and wonky stuff.

[the_flying_v]

182 BG 110


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[ma_rx]

deciding between 102 and 110 jeffs if anyone’s got any opinions. Mainly at mammoth and hood when I’m home. 110 seems like the more competent ski for obvious reasons, but I’m pretty lightweight and feel like I could get enough float out of the 102 while having it be more fun when there’s no fresh. Any opinions/anecdotes are welcome. Just don’t hear enough about the 102 jeffs.

[scmartin69]

I wouldn't call them lifeless and dead but I know exactly what you're talking about, especially compared to a bamboo on3p core. Moment's park ski is bamboo. I've always been curious what a deathwish/wildcat in a bamboo layup would be like

I feel exactly the opposite...
I sold my W108 because the tail didn't have any energy. I'm okay with my Wren 108... So far, but I wouldn't call them lively. 191 BGs slay, but that's a different convo.
My Moment DWs, WC108, Bibbys (and Commander 98, but once again a different convo) all have more energy. Perhaps it's a style thing, but I want some rebound if/when I want it.

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[tomo]

Been skiing on my BG 110s (187) in LCC for the past few weeks after scouring this thread. For anyone that cares, wanted to post my thoughts:

First impressions on firm snow were…unfortunate. Even with the factory detune, they felt extremely hooky and unpredictable on groomers, and especially scary on tracked out traverses. Oddly enough the issue seemed isolated to one ski. Off trail they felt great, but just couldn’t get over their hard snow performance, or lack thereof. Setting an edge was terrifying and the left ski just wanted to do its own thing. I took it in for a tune (shoutout to Todd at 7Even skis in SLC, these guys do incredible work and can transform a ski) to have the edges done at 1 and 1. Before this, I seriously considered offloading the ski, but glad I had it fixed up. Night and day difference - from what I read the BG is not revered for its hardsnow performance but this thing has been a blast on groomers once you get it up to speed. The tune obviously made less of a difference off trail, but still a noticeable improvement, especially on fast traverses.

The ski has a definitive sweet spot - I don’t feel like I have to mash my shins to make it turn, but it requires good form and constant pressure to maintain its maneuverability. Obviously good practice for any ski, but especially pronounced on these. Once I figured out a good stance, tight bumps and trees have been an absolute blast, much more fun than I expected out of a big ski like this. In any chopped up conditions, they can take much more speed than I want to give them, but finding that limit has been a hoot.

The BG magic is real, and the 110 has been an awesome DD in LCC. Once tuned, it truly is an incredibly versatile ski, especially in less than ideal conditions. Of course, the usual ON3P construction is stellar - now if only I can fill the ~100mm slot with another ON3P.

[phatty]

How are tunes still an issue at this point? On3p said it was a known issue last year, but why are new skis still being sold with crappy tunes? Look, I love my 191 BGs (not as much my 192 BG 118s), but this is pretty lame that we're all putting up with crappy tunes when we are paying this much for boutique, custom skis. Sorry to be a Debbie Downer, but I'm kind of sick of seeing this being a persistent issue.

[Doremite]

How are tunes still an issue at this point? On3p said it was a known issue last year, but why are new skis still being sold with crappy tunes? Look, I love my 191 BGs (not as much my 192 BG 118s), but this is pretty lame that we're all putting up with crappy tunes when we are paying this much for boutique, custom skis. Sorry to be a Debbie Downer, but I'm kind of sick of seeing this being a persistent issue.

I am as big an ON3P fan boy as there is but I am with you on this. My WD108s were a mess back in 2020 and had a glorious rebirth w/ a $60 bevel reset. It was described to me as a very isolated issue….. two seasons ago. I will be very unhappy if my yet to be skied new Wren 102s aren’t true out of that gate.

[sf]

How are tunes still an issue at this point? On3p said it was a known issue last year, but why are new skis still being sold with crappy tunes? Look, I love my 191 BGs (not as much my 192 BG 118s), but this is pretty lame that we're all putting up with crappy tunes when we are paying this much for boutique, custom skis. Sorry to be a Debbie Downer, but I'm kind of sick of seeing this being a persistent issue.

This.
The worst thing isn’t the tunes themselves, but the lack off transparency / information, especially on tgr.
The last two pairs I bought were both without base bevel, in the first case Scott replied, when I informed him of the second case I never heard back.
I’ve been a regular customer since the first season, and while the skis have been good I’ve primarily chosen on3p because of the link to tgr and their presence on this board.
With that gone and these minor, but annoying, issues it’s pretty easy for me to choose other brands

[auvgeek]

So I picked up some 2014 191 Caylors from shroom. So stoked. To avoid hole conflict, mounting options are -0.5 or +1.5 from recommended. Pretty sure recommended is -5 from center, so that's -5.5 or -3.5 from center.

I'm like 5'11", 170#. Mounting with P18s with a 303 bsl. I know Scott has mentioned concern in the past over going too far forward with a smaller boot and the pivot's smaller footprint, but I'm not sure how much of a concern that is.

I think like going +1.5 would be super super fun, but probably the more prudent option is to go back 0.5 cm. Thoughts from the collective?

[goolick]

So I picked up some 2014 191 Caylors from shroom. So stoked. To avoid hole conflict, mounting options are -0.5 or +1.5 from recommended. Pretty sure recommended is -5 from center, so that's -5.5 or -3.5 from center.

I'm like 5'11", 170#. Mounting with P18s with a 303 bsl. I know Scott has mentioned concern in the past over going too far forward with a smaller boot and the pivot's smaller footprint, but I'm not sure how much of a concern that is.

I think like going +1.5 would be super super fun, but probably the more prudent option is to go back 0.5 cm. Thoughts from the collective?

I had a similar situation on my kartel 108s (either a bit forward or a bit back), and I mounted them back. Never clicked with them as much as I thought I should have. Now after skiing my BC 120s, which are mounted about -3 from center, I wish I had mounted the kartels forward. So while everyone will likely suggest mounting back, I'll say try going the other way if you really like progressive mounts.

[auvgeek]

Thanks. Yeah, I have a Jeffrey 110 mounted on the line and I like it there. But these Caylor would be soft snow only, which kind of changes things vs the narrower skis that see more 2D snow. I've never felt like the BG mount was anything but perfect, for example, even though I tend to dislike rearward mount points on 2D snow.

If anyone has experience with the Caylor specifically, I'd love to hear it.