ON3P SKIS Discussion

[MoeSnow]

With the Jeffs you have to almost set the ski edge down and then pressure your whole foot from the ball to the heel on the edging side. Feel your edge dig in, then sit on that. As long as your weight stays right on top of your entire foot it'll carve, not wander. Get your weight too far forward and it gets sloppy.

Thanks, I'll keep this in mind next time I take them out.

I'm gonna give myself the season to click more with my Jeffs. They're my first progressively mounted skis and there's been a bit of a learning curve for me.

If I finish out the season and I'm still not jiving with them I will try out a Wren/Woodsman and BG combo.

[tuowtraws]

Stoked to be joining the cult this season!

[on3pbg]

Thanks, I'll keep this in mind next time I take them out.

I'm gonna give myself the season to click more with my Jeffs. They're my first progressively mounted skis and there's been a bit of a learning curve for me.

If I finish out the season and I'm still not jiving with them I will try out a Wren/Woodsman and BG combo.

Definitely give it time. I agree with what was said as well on how to ski them on groomers. I’ve been skiing the Jeffery(kartel when I got them) 108 as my every day ski for 5 seasons now and can rail turns but also took me a bit to figure out! You’ll get it!!

Super fun ski once you get it sorted and I’m glad someone else could explain it better then I can!


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[SkiLyft]

Let me buy your SGs Hahahah

Never, cold dead hands ski for sure!!

I'm bringing my goats to schweitzer next week, maybe they can join the flock [emoji23]

All are welcome; it’s a judgement free zone. Unless you show up with Soul7s.




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[kid-kapow]

Man, there are just no equals to ON3P's graphics game imho. So damn dialed.

[phatty]

Stoked to be joining the cult this season!

Which model is that one? Those are the twins to the graphics I have on my 192 BGs. About to swap out the raw pivots for Harlaut pivots.

[Marko888]

I get along with my new Jeffs everywhere except groomers. When I try laying an edge down the ski just kinda... wanders around? Such a weird sensation that hasn't happened to me with other skis.

This sounds similar to what I experienced with my Woodsman 102 from new: They were great everywhere EXCEPT on groomers where they seemed really washy…I would try to drive them and the shovels just wouldn’t hold…they’d wash out and erode confidence. Turned out they were detuned a fair bit… Once I had a shop sharpen them up, they became fantastic. Now they’ll really grip if I drive them…yet remain smeary when I want them to be. Before sharpening I figured I’d have to bail on them…. Maybe your Jeff’s have a similarly loose stock tune?

[EWG]

PSA: 179cm Billygoats in Boulder, $380 with bindings. Not my listing.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...9-d0b49416a195

[phatty]

PSA: 179cm Billygoats in Boulder, $380 with bindings. Not my listing.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...9-d0b49416a195

Someone please rescue these from the snowboarder!

[MoeSnow]

Before sharpening I figured I’d have to bail on them…. Maybe your Jeff’s have a similarly loose stock tune?

I've read quite a few pages of this thread and saw that tuning issues were fairly common. I ran a panzer file with a 1 deg side/base bevel down my Jeffs then sharpened them a bit with a diamond stone at the same angle.

I didn't touch the rocker at all. Ran a gummy stone over the contact points after sharpening them a little, kind of hoping they don't feel hooky/wonky after this. Barely any material came off when I used the panzer file, so I think the tune was already good. Gonna ski with a gummy stone in my backpack next time just in case I screwed the tune up.

I think EWG's guidance is going to help me more than anything. I think the Jeffs just want to be skied a particular way. They're already fun everywhere on the mountain except groomers, just need to figure out how to ski them on harder stuff so I can have a little more fun getting back to the lift line...

[on3pbg]

Picked up some Jeffery 118 in 186, super stoked for some playful pow sticks to go along with the BGs.

Just in time for the 120cm storm Revelstoke is going to get [emoji848]


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[MoeSnow]

Picked up some Jeffery 118 in 186, super stoked for some playful pow sticks to go along with the BGs.

Nice. I haven't totally clicked with mine yet, but it still feels like I'm skiing with cheat codes on when it's deep.

[Tailwind]

I’ll be curious to see a comparison to the BG. I’ve read a lot of Jeffery 118 stoke but I tend to like mounts that are more like -7… but I did enjoy the Wildcats so I’ve always wondered about Kartel/Jeffery shapes.

Picked up some Jeffery 118 in 186, super stoked for some playful pow sticks to go along with the BGs.

Just in time for the 120cm storm Revelstoke is going to get [emoji848]


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[lrn2swim]

Stoked to be joining the cult this season!

Are those the 102 ti's? If so, my favorite ski of all time. So insanely stable and damp, rip hard pack, but still pretty maneuverable. Surprised they aren't more popular and talked about with the TGR crowd, seems like they'd be right up a bunch of peoples alley. Really wish they made a stock Woods 110ti too

[tuowtraws]

Which model is that one?

Are those the 102 ti's?

They're the 110 Pros. I'm just hoping I've got the legs to keep up with them, gonna be lots of straight lines and high speeds in the future I think.

[Doremite]

Long live the Wrenegade!

[MoeSnow]

Long live the Wrenegade!

What are those bindings? Tele? Sorry for my ignorance.

[Doremite]

What are those bindings? Tele? Sorry for my ignorance.

Yes. Tele. 22 Designs AXL.

[on3pbg]

After skiing this last storm in Revelstoke with my ASYM BGs, it reminded me how much these skis love variable and coastal feeling snow! It’s incredible how they handle the supportive and denser snow.
When it comes to soft chop, I just absolutely love these things even more!



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[cecaldjong]

Thanks, I'll keep this in mind next time I take them out.

I'm gonna give myself the season to click more with my Jeffs. They're my first progressively mounted skis and there's been a bit of a learning curve for me.

If I finish out the season and I'm still not jiving with them I will try out a Wren/Woodsman and BG combo.

Hey man, last season was my first on progressive mounts as well. Learned to ski in 80s and 90s and still working on widening my stance. Anyways, I’m riding the 108 woodsman and it took me more than a few laps to understand them. Mine don’t respond to a traditional drive as well as a bit more of a laid back, but committed, turn initiation.

My read on the modern style is that the ski is forgiving, but the turn initiation is far more nuanced than it used to be, thus requiring more awareness of your foot and consequent edge pressures.

Ended up having a blast ultimately though. Good luck!

[Stuntmonkey]

I’m feeling the same. Was not having fun in fresh 15cm with my 110s. Snow was a little weird, super heavy top 10cms with light fluffy bottom, but I was deflecting all over the place and getting dumped into the back seat constantly.


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[MoeSnow]

Hey man, last season was my first on progressive mounts as well. Learned to ski in 80s and 90s and still working on widening my stance. Anyways, I’m riding the 108 woodsman and it took me more than a few laps to understand them. Mine don’t respond to a traditional drive as well as a bit more of a laid back, but committed, turn initiation.

My read on the modern style is that the ski is forgiving, but the turn initiation is far more nuanced than it used to be, thus requiring more awareness of your foot and consequent edge pressures.

Ended up having a blast ultimately though. Good luck!

Seems you've figured them out?

I am used to ~7-8cm mount points, so the ~-4cm mount point on the Jeffs have been uncharted territory for me. I probably could have picked up the Woodsman/BG combo and been happy from the start, but I'm wanting to take a much more playful approach to the resort.

The weather has been spotty and I've been busy w/ holiday stuff the past week, so I have yet to get up onto the mountain to try out all the advice I've gotten here. I ski almost entirely off-piste, so it hasn't been too much of an ordeal getting along with the Jeffs. They're loose and fun in trees and bumps. Only issue has been weird wandering skis when trying to rip a groomer, as stated earlier. Prior to getting advice here my groomer routine has been straight-lining and scrubbing speed with a slarve when needed.

Next time I'm on a groomer I will be focusing on getting edge pressure right beneath my feet with a balanced stance. Seems to be the key!

[teledad]

Thoughts on Woodsman 110 Tour or 50/50 as an all-conditions touring ski? Need something that will work in pow but also slush, refrozen crud, breakable crust, windblown slab, glaze ice, basically any west coast backcountry conditions. Looking for something with enough beef to not get pushed around, willing to haul a little extra weight if needed. Also considering the Moment Commander Tour and Praxis BC.

[jacob_dbu]

Thoughts on Woodsman 110 Tour or 50/50 as an all-conditions touring ski? Need something that will work in pow but also slush, refrozen crud, breakable crust, windblown slab, glaze ice, basically any west coast backcountry conditions. Looking for something with enough beef to not get pushed around, willing to haul a little extra weight if needed. Also considering the Moment Commander Tour and Praxis BC.

In general I find Moment skis to be much better in hard and icy conditions. ON3P skis tend to be manageable, but no fun. Anything soft or choppy and ON3P skis really shine. Moments also do pretty well here but have a different feel.

[auvgeek]

Thoughts on Woodsman 110 Tour or 50/50 as an all-conditions touring ski? Need something that will work in pow but also slush, refrozen crud, breakable crust, windblown slab, glaze ice, basically any west coast backcountry conditions. Looking for something with enough beef to not get pushed around, willing to haul a little extra weight if needed. Also considering the Moment Commander Tour and Praxis BC.

I REALLY like the Woodsman 110 Tour for that exact purpose. Best touring ski I've owned. You can read my reviews from a few weeks ago, but I've skied them now in a range of conditions (no slush or glaze ice though) in Colorado and BC. I think the versatility really shines. Yeah, the Billy Goat shape is better for pow and unsupportive crust, but I *hate* pintails on steep, firm snow which is where the Woodsman shines in comparison.

Go 50/50 if you're comfortable with the additional weight. Mass only really helps with damping. On average, I'm less fit than my ski friends so I opted for tour layup. At 1750g for the 187 Tour, that's right in my sweet spot (compared to other skis I've owned). The 187 50/50 layup at 2000g is less fun for multiple big days in a row on hut trips. But hey, if that works for you then go for it!

As you probably know, the 50/50 and the Tour share the hybrid paulownia and bamboo core. The difference is the base & edge thickness. My experience is that you can get lucky and never coreshot a thin base the entire ski life, or you can get unlucky and coreshot a thick base without even realizing you hit a rock.

One thing to keep in mind for the wider skis in both the 50/50 or touring layup is that the ratio of bamboo to paulownia is lower than a narrower ski. So at the widest end of the spectrum, you're effectively getting a lighter layup per surface area.

I don't like the way Moment skis feel. I know others do and I'm not trying to take away from that, but I find them lifeless and dead while also not being super damp either. Worst of both worlds. But I haven't skied their touring layup, so YMMV.