ON3P SKIS Discussion

[the_flying_v]

I've been on them for about a year now. Tour variant. Pretty different than the full fat version most (including myself) have come to know and love. More camber, ski more locked-in. Kind of hooky when driven. I know of at least a couple others here that had the same experience..

Noted. Still have my 14-15 186s kicking around. Won't turn them into yard art just yet...

[Going Coastal]

I picked up stock layup 110s in 187 last season. They have been great in anything fresh. Never ridden a fullsize BG, but the 110 has never felt like too little ski and I absolutely love their soft snow performance.

My only issue with them has been on firm/flat groomers. I dont know if I would call my problem hooky, just sometimes the downhill ski will go the wrong way when initiating a turn. Almost like it goes from locking into the turn to shooting out like if you were skating if that makes any sense. It happens rarely enough that I'm sure its the mechanic, not the tool, but its not fun to go into a mini skate at 20mph+ I've been told here to not drive the tips and ski more centered but I havent had them out this year yet to see if that solves it, but it does make sense with the tip taper.

[Marko888]

Has anyone been on the BG 110


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I owned a pair of stock layup 182 BG 110’s for a season. Skied them maybe 6 or 7 days. In soft snow, they are incredible. Super quick, quite effortless to ski, and for me seemed to float very well. The balance felt much like my 184 116 ASYMS… but they are significantly more maneuverable which of course is waist width but also the lighter weight. Mine were around 2100g.

My local hill requires a fair bit of groomer time and they’re less awesome there. Felt like I had to ski them from the toe piece back. I’ve moved them on in favour of a Woodsman 110, which is a better all rounder for me. I expect I’ll miss the BG 110 in the trees!

[nest]

Reading the past few pages I see a lot of bg118 hate. Was looking at the 118 bg tour for deep touring days. Why the hate? Bad idea?

[Backward_Banana]

What's your snowpack? It sounds like the 118 is a good ski, it's just not as good as the 116 in the PNW conditions that everyone loved it for. 118 tour in a continental or intermountain snowpack would be sweet, probably.

[Norseman]

Reading the past few pages I see a lot of bg118 hate. Was looking at the 118 bg tour for deep touring days. Why the hate? Bad idea?

No no, there's lots of love for the 118 width. That's the waist of the beloved 191cm of yore (the shorter lengths scaled down the width, unlike the fixed 118 width at all lengths this year).

It's just the new 192cm 118 that's not agreeing with some.

[Blaster]

Long shot, but if anyone has a pair of 118 BGTs in a 182 they can’t figure out how to have fun on, consider me a willing buyer. Though Nest gets first dibs.

[on3pbg]

No no, there's lots of love for the 118 width. That's the waist of the beloved 191cm of yore (the shorter lengths scaled down the width, unlike the fixed 118 width at all lengths this year).

It's just the new 192cm 118 that's not agreeing with some.

They never scaled down the waist width in the BGs at each size from what I can gather. Maybe small size differences in the tips tails though…from what I can remember.


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[Norseman]

They never scaled down the waist width in the BGs at each size from what I can gather. Maybe small size differences in the tips tails though…from what I can remember.


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[XavierD]

Current issue with the 192 BG is most likely camber related. The tour construction reduces the cambers influence a bit.

Im not getting the same same hang ups with a 187 hybrid layup as the 192 118 standard layup have with consolidating coastal snow packs.

FWIW, current 192 is getting better feedback in continental snow then previous iterations. The distribution of BG sales is also less PNW weighted than it was in 2013. Also seeing increased percent of hybrid and tour construction skis going out, to include resort use. These work better with more camber IMO then the classic layup. Continuing to examine camber profiles and mount points to produce improvements going forward.

187 hybrid layup with Tectons has become my go to set up for resort and mixed use skiing. Works really well.

[TeleBeaver]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4VkwyvYHCbU

My 2020 Cease and Desists still put the biggest smile on my face. (3ft of blower helps too )

[on3pbg]

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I stand corrected!!!! Thanks for the info dude


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[ASP]

Anyone know what the mount point is from true center on the 19/20 BG?

[nest]

Thanks for the replies all. Might have to join the cult

[auvgeek]

Maybe this is exceptionally dumb, but has anyone considered a full bamboo core with the touring base/edge? Durability aside, thoughts on what it would weight and how that would ski vs the current 50/50 layup?

[Backward_Banana]

The info you seek is here - skis real good

https://www.evo.com/outlet/skis/on3p-steeple-116

[Yukonrider]

Pair of 108 Wrenegades popped up for sale, looking for something that is BG esque, but a bit better for cleanup duties, and charging once things have firmed up, and maybe a little turny er

I ski pretty hard, but am only 165 at 6 foot 2, and don't want to be taken for a ride on the 189s. They price is good enough that I don't mind grabbing them just to try out if they're close to what I want.

[auvgeek]

The info you seek is here - skis real good

https://www.evo.com/outlet/skis/on3p-steeple-116

Oh, I didn't realize that's what the Steeple was, but it makes a lot of sense. I'm guessing the hybrid layup skis better based on everything I've read. But if I had a ton of extra money lying around, I'd get a pair of each made and see how different they are to see what the impact of base thickness vs core material has on dampness, pop, etc.

Pair of 108 Wrenegades popped up for sale, looking for something that is BG esque, but a bit better for cleanup duties, and charging once things have firmed up, and maybe a little turny er

I ski pretty hard, but am only 165 at 6 foot 2, and don't want to be taken for a ride on the 189s. They price is good enough that I don't mind grabbing them just to try out if they're close to what I want.

So I've kinda seen this theme here pop up. Not saying you personally fall into this, but sometime I think people do. They love the Billy Goat in soft snow, and they're looking for a similar skiing experience in harder snow. But the thing is, that doesn't exist. Nothing will ski hard snow like a BG skis soft snow. It's just a different experience. But somehow I see people searching and searching for a complement to the BG.

Personally, I like the Jeffrey 110. I don't get along with traditional mount points on hard snow, but I do just fine on the BG -- the rearward mount point isn't nearly as noticeable in 3D snow. So the Wren is out for me for that reason, but you may enjoy it. I bet you could handle the 189 at your size, but it depends on how strong of a skier you are and how much you like to drive the shovels. MFree 108 gets a lot of love also.

[FullStop]

Oh, I didn't realize that's what the Steeple was, but it makes a lot of sense. I'm guessing the hybrid layup skis better based on everything I've read. But if I had a ton of extra money lying around, I'd get a pair of each made and see how different they are to see what the impact of base thickness vs core material has on dampness, pop, etc.

If I remember correctly, the Steeples just had a thinner bamboo core with an extra layer of carbon, but still had the full fat edges and base. Stand to be corrected though.

[jesski]

random long-shot question for the on3p lovers out there. Does anyone in the SW Colorado area have a pair of the woodsman 110 in the touring layup with a small bsl on it that they would be willing to let me try? I am really thinking of ordering these but they are really expensive as an experiment...

edit to add because auvgeek said I understated the smallness of my bsl. It is 258.

[RudyGarmisch]

If I remember correctly, the Steeples just had a thinner bamboo core with an extra layer of carbon, but still had the full fat edges and base. Stand to be corrected though.

Correct!

[eSock]

So I've kinda seen this theme here pop up. Not saying you personally fall into this, but sometime I think people do. They love the Billy Goat in soft snow, and they're looking for a similar skiing experience in harder snow. But the thing is, that doesn't exist. Nothing will ski hard snow like a BG skis soft snow. It's just a different experience. But somehow I see people searching and searching for a complement to the BG.

This seems pretty accurate to me from my experience in the 116BG vs the 108BGT, none of the derivatives seem to really scratch that same itch the original design does from what I've experienced/read. I like the latter but I would not say it reminds me much of it's big brother.

[Name Redacted]

I have some Steeple 102's (bought from someone on there used) but have only skied them once since getting them because I through a shoe in an uncomfortable spot inbounds due to the tech bindings ()totally my fault though). Need to get some leashes and get out on those again.

I do think a "Skinny Billy" would be great in some 3d snow and chop here in CO. I skied my 116 BGs here yesterday and while they were a little sketch on the hard groomers between "off piste" runs, they were amazing on the very upside down snowpack in areas where ropes were being dropped for the first time this season. I think a slightly lighter, narrower version would have been just about perfect. They felt a little heavy skiing them for the first time this year, I need to get in shape damn.

[grinch]

I have 102's,110tours,and 116's. The steeple 102 with dynafits is still damp af even with the simple dynafits , skis thru chop like a champ, floats thru pow like a 102 waist shouldnt be capable of, and rails a groomer when tipped on edge. I dream of a bg 102 tour to put my dfit sl 2.o's on so i can put cast/shift/marker hybrid thingy on my 102 steeples. Im tempted by a woodsman 102 tour but i really want a bg 102 tour, especially after a great couple days on my new bg 110 tours

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[PeachesNCream]

Previously had a 191 Jeffery108, it was close to the perfect daily driver but a little much to handle in the trees than I'd like. I was initially thinking of looking for a 186 but I'm worried I'd lose too much chop performance.

Is the new 110 more maneuverable or chargier than the 108? (which would push me to go with the 191 again or if chargier push me to go 186).

What does a stiff core do to the ski? Maybe a stiff 186 would fit the bill?