ON3P SKIS Discussion

[Quandary]

Can anyone one advise me on this tune issue?:
Got a new pair of Jeff 108s mounted on line recently to round out my quiver (between kartel 98s and billygoats). Both skis are noticeably grabby, especially compared to my K98s (not horribly so, but significant enough. Skis are still fun just don’t feel right). It feels like they want to stay flat, and they resist rolling over onto edge. -like they are fighting my feet (pulling them to roll to the outside). They don’t feel hooky and unpredictable though. The grabbiness is kind of constant and predictable in that sense..

This is most noticeable at low edge angles. And they are not liking short turns, feathered turns, lazy turns, speed checks, etc. But they love arcing big clean carves. When rolled all the way over they lock into gs turns, and in those turns have much better grip then my K98s or my moment deathwishes (btw – K98s got a major tune/grind this year so not dull. Edges still at 1/1). They are almost too dependable on firm snow given how I think they should feel.

I’ve put 7-8 days on them, detuned tips tails. Then the entire edge (though with a diamond stone/gummy, not a file). This helped a little but doesn't seem to be the issue. I’ve never felt this kind of off grabbiness/resistance on any skis I’ve owned.

I don’t have a true bar. Tried to use some straight edges to see if edge high, but they don’t seem so – at least not obviously so, but I’m not sure.

Any diagnosis/advice most appreciated.

Take them to a shop with a Montana or Wintersteiger CNC tune machine and have the bases restructured. Edges at 1:1. They'll be great after that.

[himavan]

Thanks for the guidance y'all.
Scott contacted me as well with the same advice (belt tune reset at 1/1).
Will bring them to my shop and update later.

[Tahoepa]

191 Bearclawz and 18in of soft winter snow.......another iteration of an outta the park BG.


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[morphintoskittle]

Scored some 2019 Billy Goats and rode them for the first time today...definitely my new favorite powder ski. They are so surfy, but so chargey at the same time. Its awesome. Yet to experience some true variable conditions with them though.

[on3pbg]

Scored some 2019 Billy Goats and rode them for the first time today...definitely my new favorite powder ski. They are so surfy, but so chargey at the same time. Its awesome. Yet to experience some true variable conditions with them though.

How they ski in variable will blow your mind haha. It’s like riding fresh.

Definitely one the sole characters of the BGs that keep me on them so many days then not. I’ve tried so many skis and can’t find one that skis variable snow better then the BG


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[MiddleOfNight]

I think/hope I’m done shuffling skis for a bit. Had some pillow fights which made no absolute sense where I live and ski mostly. So I sold and bought some shorter wider skis for social pow days at the local hills.

That's a sexy quiver, man. Nicely done.

Rare that you see PF's up for sale. I can sure see a limited frontside application. I tour with mine, so they get the nod often. Hands down my favorite skis of all time (in the right conditions).

[Muggydude]

Looks like I might get to use my Uber rockered 2017 C&D this weekend in CO. Stoked

Will try to do some A to B comparison with my protests and 2019 C&D


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[PowTron]

Looks like I might get to use my Uber rockered 2017 C&D this weekend in CO. Stoked

Will try to do some A to B comparison with my protests and 2019 C&D


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I still say that the 191 CD with the very large and gradual tip rocker is the best powder ski ever created. They just lack the versatility of the new breed in untracked.

Hopefully they slay red rocks for you

[MiddleOfNight]

I still say that the 191 CD with the very large and gradual tip rocker is the best powder ski ever created.

I still regret not jumping on some from gear swap forever ago. I just tell myself anything they do, the pillow fight does better

[Tailwind]

If you can get there...

I’ll be curious to hear a report on how they fare. I’ve been kicking tires on some Cease and Desists (or protests) for a while... Pescado’s for me this weekend.

Looks like I might get to use my Uber rockered 2017 C&D this weekend in CO. Stoked

Will try to do some A to B comparison with my protests and 2019 C&D


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[lineskier@east]

Looking for some advice. I'm on the East Coast and looking for a all mountain ski. I like to ski goomers fast and also ski a lot of tight trees. While edge to edge performance is important I also want something that can float a little for the occasional east coast pow as well as backcountry trips and trips out west. I really like the sound of woodsman but I'm having a hard time deciding between the 96 and 102. I currently ski a 105 waist ski every day out year and I never feel like its two big so I'm leaning towards the 102. My only concern about the `102 is potentially too much tip rocker and the turn radius not being tight enough, are there any alternative mounting options that could fix that? Any info would be appreciated

[kid-kapow]

Both the rocker lines and amount of splay are identical across 96s and 102s, so no bueno wrt seperating the two. Also keep in mind that both are going to float better in soft snow than their width suggest - all ON3Ps do soft snow really, really well. Their rocker lines will make both models fairly loose and nimble wrt tree skiing, yet stable at speed due to both models slightly longer than industry norm sidecut radii and supportive flex patterns. So imho it kinda boils down to how much you value nimbleness (more -> go 96, less -> go 102) and if you want to optimize the setup for the snow you see most days (prob 96) to that you see on good days (prob 102s). You are more likely than not going to be happy either way.

What would I recommend? A) call ON3P and discuss it with them - their advice is usually spot on. B) if you are used to 105s and like them on low tide days then 102s could be the ticket - I would lean that way at least ( I prefer slightly wider skis). If you want to keep the 105s in the quiver then 96s might be the obvious answer.

I would mount either model on the line. Moving for/aft is not going to dramatically change how turny they are or lessen their splay, so you might as well mount them where they are designed to be mounted to get the best of their design.

[Doremite]

Looking for some advice. I'm on the East Coast and looking for a all mountain ski. I like to ski goomers fast and also ski a lot of tight trees. While edge to edge performance is important I also want something that can float a little for the occasional east coast pow as well as backcountry trips and trips out west. I really like the sound of woodsman but I'm having a hard time deciding between the 96 and 102. I currently ski a 105 waist ski every day out year and I never feel like its two big so I'm leaning towards the 102. My only concern about the `102 is potentially too much tip rocker and the turn radius not being tight enough, are there any alternative mounting options that could fix that? Any info would be appreciated

You’ll only regret a 102 decision on firm-ish groomers and in deep bumps here in the East. I’d go wider than the 102 for a west coast travel ski.

96 - ec daily
102 - ec touring / ec ‘true’ packed pow
108 - west coast travel ski / typical ec pow
116 - 12”+ powder specific

Great ski. ‘96 and 108 here. Lovely east coat 2-ski quiver.

[davjr96]

Has anyone seen this happen before? I lent my skis out and they came back like this, no idea what happened but I assumed they were slammed into pavement to shake off snow or some such nonsense. Pretty much 0 chance its a defect of any kinda IMO. Anyway, I'm thinking let them dry and epoxy. Anything else I'm missing?

[beeeom]

Has anyone seen this happen before? I lent my skis out and they came back like this, no idea what happened but I assumed they were slammed into pavement to shake off snow or some such nonsense. Pretty much 0 chance its a defect of any kinda IMO. Anyway, I'm thinking let them dry and epoxy. Anything else I'm missing?

Looks like they fell off a car or got driven over?

[SchralphMacchio]

If anyone ended up with 177 WD108s and wasn’t 100% pleased with the size ... hit me up if you’re thinking of unloading!

[CascadeLuke]

Has anyone seen this happen before? I lent my skis out and they came back like this, no idea what happened but I assumed they were slammed into pavement to shake off snow or some such nonsense. Pretty much 0 chance its a defect of any kinda IMO. Anyway, I'm thinking let them dry and epoxy. Anything else I'm missing?

This is some unusual BS. Someone isn’t telling you everything. If I’m loaning skis out and not around- it’s only going to be ON3Ps because they’re indestructible in normal usage..

[Conundrum]

Looks like they fell of a roof rack to pavement. Or slip out of a receiver hitch rack. That doesn't happen banging snow off them on pavement, which would still be somewhat dumb to be doing.

[davjr96]

yeah definitely not normal... No racks on any of the cars in question, they were being transported inside a vehicle. Haven't really bothered tracking down the source as they were actually lent out to two roomates in the same day and frankly I wouldn't be surprised if the person who did it didn't even notice (or beverages were involved)... Either way skis have been moved from the house common "borrow me" area to my bedroom for the future. Just focusing on fixing rather than causing roommate drama lol.
Agree on the absolute bomber construction which why this is surprising. Threw some epoxy and clamped, we'll see how it looks tomorrow.

[tuco]

I think C is right. That's not just impact damage as you can see base and tail spacers/topsheet worn away.
With out a full wrap edge, a little extra care needs to be used. You shouldn't really even be jamming them into snow to stand them up either.
Only part your missing on repair side is kicking thenutz of said 'friend'

[on3pbg]

Has anyone seen this happen before? I lent my skis out and they came back like this, no idea what happened but I assumed they were slammed into pavement to shake off snow or some such nonsense. Pretty much 0 chance its a defect of any kinda IMO. Anyway, I'm thinking let them dry and epoxy. Anything else I'm missing?

If someone brought my skis home looking like this, I’d lose it. Clearly they are too incompetent to take care of something simple and should be paying for the repair or making it right some how...that’s insane damage I haven’t even see come close to skis that I’ve skied for 250 days and hold tails down in the snow when in line....nothing like that ever happens.


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[Ottime]

Has anyone seen this happen before? I lent my skis out and they came back like this, no idea what happened but I assumed they were slammed into pavement to shake off snow or some such nonsense. Pretty much 0 chance its a defect of any kinda IMO. Anyway, I'm thinking let them dry and epoxy. Anything else I'm missing?

Damn that is rough.

Fwiw my OG wrens delamed like that (but way less) in the tip from skiing into a rock. I used JD weld and clamps on them like 5 years ago and it has held. I only use them early season as rock skis and when I go to mammoth in late May/June so they only get a few days a season. But worth trying to patch them back up.

[iggyskier]

yeah definitely not normal... No racks on any of the cars in question, they were being transported inside a vehicle. Haven't really bothered tracking down the source as they were actually lent out to two roomates in the same day and frankly I wouldn't be surprised if the person who did it didn't even notice (or beverages were involved)... Either way skis have been moved from the house common "borrow me" area to my bedroom for the future. Just focusing on fixing rather than causing roommate drama lol.
Agree on the absolute bomber construction which why this is surprising. Threw some epoxy and clamped, we'll see how it looks tomorrow.

Whatever it was, it was ground. Too wide for an impact and too much material removed. Mashing this much UHMW isn't easy to do. I've seen people who are swing-and-slam-the-skis-every-other-step-parking-lot-walkers and even they look cleaner than this.


Sounds like you already started repair but two points:
1) Ideally you have some hard material to apply equal pressure. Had we had these here (can still do a repair here too) we would use sheets of shaped 3/8" HDPE or an aluminum cat track while laminating to provide equal pressure.
2) Given how ground those areas are - and that UHMW sucks to bond - you will likely have sections on the end that don't laminate. The tail can be cut or ground down to essentially excise the damaged material (we would use our deflasher to grind the tail down until we hit solid lamination, match both skis, then resand the topsheet).

Let us know if we can help.

[detrusor]

That’s moving vehicle shit right there. Skis are owed. Def don’t lend them your girlfriend


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[dschane]

Same thing happened to my wife's Jessie skis when she failed to close the roof rack and they flew off while she was going 45 mph on our local road. As you've done, epoxy and clamps returned them to close enough to normal. She's still skiing them.