ON3P SKIS Discussion

[theetruscan]

I skied them the day before inbounds at Steamboat and it was super deep early, then tracked and crusty underneath and the ski changed from "wow this is fun" to "ouch, let me go get my Wren 114" (which I did).

For true pow and some sled/cat/slackcountry stuff (or first 5-7 runs in bounds) the CD is amazing.

Yeah, this is how it seemed when I got a few deep turns. I didn't buy C&Ds for shallow chop, or bumps for that matter. Just guessed wrong about the day. Excited to run them in their element.

[skibass]

Cease & Desists in 38" of Steamboat goodness a couple weeks back. Meadow skipping has never been so fun.

https://vimeo.com/315367025

Can't wait to get the C&Ds out this year. This gives me mad stoke.

[PowTron]

I’m thinking of a crazy move and hopping a flight to Tahoe with Wren 114 and CDs this weekend.

Any mags going to fight the hordes at Squaw/Alpine?

[skibass]

Just pulled the trigger on some K116s. Love my 108s and just couldn't resist (damn this thread and the fact that there was only one 186 k116 in stock). This means my 184 BGs need a new home. They've treated me well and I'm sure I will miss them... They are the model year before the asymmetrical model came out so I believe 16/17. Mounted for a 316 bsl on the line. Send me a dm if interested. This thread deserves first dibs.

[tpacent]

I’m thinking of a crazy move and hopping a flight to Tahoe with Wren 114 and CDs this weekend.

Any mags going to fight the hordes at Squaw/Alpine?

Kirkwood. Don’t bother with the wrens. You won’t need em.

[PowTron]

Kirkwood. Don’t bother with the wrens. You won’t need em.

CD or bust!

[Bruce Springskiin]

Any Demo Skis in the Seattle/Whistler area this weekend? Friend borrowed my extra carbon steeples this past weekend, and now that I have taught him how to get out of the back seat he is ready to steal my Steeples. Hoping to find a Wren or BG to fit his 330mm boots and 6’-4” gangly-ness at Whistler this weekend.

ON3P family together this weekend


- I am here for the stoke

[CallMeAl]

Any Demo Skis in the Seattle/Whistler area this weekend?

Not that I know of. I'll be in Pebble Creek this weekend, then the WWSRA Demo, then BBI!

[Muggydude]

CD or bust!

I should be at Kirkwood with a crew if you end up there Jay

[TahoeJ]

CD or bust!

Disagree. You've got a double ski bag, bring the Wrens too. It's Tahoe inbounds - shit gets tracked even faster than the front range, especially on the steeper terrain you'll be after.

[PowTron]

Well my wife’s car just exploded (not literally) so the ticket I just bought is going to have to wait for the next storm cycle. Damn VW.

I will absolutely make it out this year and will keep the Tahoe mags informed.

CD and Wren 114 are both in the ski bag ready to go, too 🤮

[Brady586]

Been loving my Kartel 96 as an EC DD this year. Intuitive, poppy, playful and really anywhere from a soft groomer to a foot of pow I find myself with a stupid grin. Was so sad when my roof rack snapped and the truck behind me demoted them to expensive wall hangings...
Thank God for homeowners insurance though, since able to get a new pair (who knew they'd cover things flying off my car? - good protip from a shop tech). Went purple top sheet and green side wall instead of wood veneer this time though, and threw in some BGs for good measure too. Hopefully we'll get some decent coverage to test those out in, looking at days of rain here.

Also loving the Wren 108s I picked up here end of last season. Curious if any of you have both the Wren108s and BGs and if so which conditions you choose which in. Looking forward to A/B'ing them when I get the chance to see each of their sweet spots.

The Wrens are stompable rocket ships, so nice to have when any powder day here it's tracked out 15 minutes after opening. Still, a few tight Vermont Glade runs and my legs are burnt, and hopefully the BGs will pivot for me easier in the trees so I can keep going through the rare EC pow day and not crap out before 2pm.

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[adrenalated]

Also loving the Wren 108s I picked up here end of last season. Curious if any of you have both the Wren108s and BGs and if so which conditions you choose which in. Looking forward to A/B'ing them when I get the chance to see each of their sweet spots.

I don't have Wren 108s, I have the predecessor, the Wren 112.
Pretty easy. BGs when there's fresh snow, Wrens when there's not.
Wren is a hard snow ski with pow capabilities, BG is a pow ski with hard snow capabilities.

[TahoeJ]

Wren is a hard snow ski with pow capabilities, BG is a pow ski with hard snow capabilities.

Wren 108 is decidedly more pow friendly than the 112's were. If I had those two skis I'd only take out the BG's if the overnight snowfall was more than 10 inches or so.

[Bobcat Sig]

I don't have Wren 108s, I have the predecessor, the Wren 112.
Pretty easy. BGs when there's fresh snow, Wrens when there's not.
Wren is a hard snow ski with pow capabilities, BG is a pow ski with hard snow capabilities.

This. Currently have the BGs and owned the Wren113 for a bit and now have a pair of Wren 108s. He nails it.

It's rare that I'll ski the Wrens in any sort of pow day. The BGs rage pretty hard even in cut up pow, which is where I'd ski the Wrens. When I lived in Montana, the Wrens were either afternoon pow day skis if things were tracked quickly or if I was skiing the day after. The Wren, I feel, is a big mountain, ragey, go huck your meat sticks. The BGs I find a bit more versatile.

So really, it comes down to your preferred skiing style and in the conditions you're normally skiing. That part is why I've largely switched to the BGs for most soft snow days and the Viciks for anything else.

[WoodenRadio]

Well my wife’s car just exploded (not literally) so the ticket I just bought is going to have to wait for the next storm cycle. Damn VW.

I will absolutely make it out this year and will keep the Tahoe mags informed.

CD and Wren 114 are both in the ski bag ready to go, too 冷

Had nothing but problems with my VW in college. Thankfully it was recalled and now I drive a 4Runner.
Come ski the Wasatch!

[Ted Striker]

Wren is a hard snow ski with pow capabilities, BG is a pow ski with hard snow capabilities.

As someone who's owned 2 versions of wrens and 2 versions of billy goats, that captures it perfectly.

[tpacent]

Disagree. You've got a double ski bag, bring the Wrens too. It's Tahoe inbounds - shit gets tracked even faster than the front range, especially on the steeper terrain you'll be after.

This is true (Tahoe gets deep chop quick) but I really like my 189 BGs in this snow so I’d figure the CD would be comparable or possibly better. Kirkwood was this deep chop today and absolutely loved the BG. if it were more shallow and there was any hint of crust or variable, then I get a traditional more versatile charger. But if you are coming to Tahoe anytime soon the RES boards are the ticket IMO.

[Brady586]

This. Currently have the BGs and owned the Wren113 for a bit and now have a pair of Wren 108s. He nails it.

It's rare that I'll ski the Wrens in any sort of pow day. The BGs rage pretty hard even in cut up pow, which is where I'd ski the Wrens. When I lived in Montana, the Wrens were either afternoon pow day skis if things were tracked quickly or if I was skiing the day after. The Wren, I feel, is a big mountain, ragey, go huck your meat sticks. The BGs I find a bit more versatile.

So really, it comes down to your preferred skiing style and in the conditions you're normally skiing. That part is why I've largely switched to the BGs for most soft snow days and the Viciks for anything else.

Perfect. Thanks y'all for responding. Glad the BGs are likely to fill the gap in hoping for.

I've been super impressed with the Wrens in 1.5-2feet of snow (not fortunate enough to get them in more then that). But here hard=ice (or close to it) and they're mildly terrifying on that, so maybe when I'm thinking of a hard day its not the same thing.

Day after a storm here is 90% of the time finding fresh only in tight trees so that's where I hope the BG will do what the Wren had to be rassled to swing around. I'd usually just go on the Kartel 96 to not have to work so hard but always wanted a more dialed set up for this.

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[adrenalated]

Perfect. Thanks y'all for responding. Glad the BGs are likely to fill the gap in hoping for.

I've been super impressed with the Wrens in 1.5-2feet of snow (not fortunate enough to get them in more then that). But here hard=ice (or close to it) and they're mildly terrifying on that, so maybe when I'm thinking of a hard day its not the same thing.

Day after a storm here is 90% of the time finding fresh only in tight trees so that's where I hope the BG will do what the Wren had to be rassled to swing around. I'd usually just go on the Kartel 96 to not have to work so hard but always wanted a more dialed set up for this.

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Yeah, I'm in Colorado so when things are east coast hard inbounds, I go touring. Or drinking.

The BG is WAY easier to pivot in the trees in fresh snow than any Wren.

[cocoapuff]

Has anyone skied the Wren108 slightly in front of the rec. line?

[kid-kapow]

I did mount a pair of 184s 1cm+. My regular w108s being 179s mounted on the line. I only rode the 184s one day with that setup though in spring corn/pow. However, I was no match for them that day - being hung over and tired made me swap to k108s pretty fast - so I can't really provide any quality input. I have since sold the skis. I went 1+ due to past mounts - not because I am unhappy where the line is on wrens (I am not - I dig everything about wrens as soft snow slayers).

That being said, if you want a slightly more centered ON3P, I would recommend that you just wait for the Woodsman - an ON3P ski for 2020 that will slot in between wrens and kartels wrt mount point, radius an rocker lines, or try to get in a demo day on w108s with demo bindings iot try different mount points by moving the bindings around.

Not to split hairs here, but I am not sure that I would agree that w108s are hard snow skis, even if BGs are soft snow skis for sure. W108s are very, very capable in soft snow for their width, and w108s are not icy groomer killers. I think which shape you prefer of the two is largely determined by how you prefer to ski and and how you like to turn -> pivot BG>wrens, carve soft snow BG<wrens where both can to both ends of the spectrum just fine. I get on better with wrens than BGs, thus made the switch from BGs to w114s - with the latter being the logical comparison to BGs are w114s though, not w108s. Happy days.

[cocoapuff]

Thanks for the thorough and informative reply. I actually own a pair of this years W108 in 184. They are mounted at about +3/4cm. The first day on them I thought they were the best ski ever made. Then the second day, I got pretty worked skiing in some heavier cut up snow through steep tight trees and bumps (not wren natural habitat per se). I now sort of think of the wren based more on what type of terrain rather then what type of snow. Am I skiing somewhere above tree line, with lots of open bowls and wide runs? Grab the wrens. Am I skiing tight trees and bumps all day? Maybe grab my other skis with softer flex, tighter radius, and more forward mount. Anyway, I guess what triggered my original question was, if I am going to think of the wren as a terrain specific tool and not try and make it something it is not (I.e. a ski for tight trees, hence moving the mount line forward) maybe I’m best suited moving back to the rec. line... all said and done, 3/4cm probably won’t make much a difference anyway. Just wanted to see what your guys experience was with this ski at different mount points. Thanks.

[PowTron]

Had nothing but problems with my VW in college. Thankfully it was recalled and now I drive a 4Runner.
Come ski the Wasatch!

I drive a 4Runner that my wife is currently borrowing while her GTI is having manifold work done...haha.

[detuned]

I actually own a pair of this years W108 in 184. They are mounted at about +3/4cm....Am I skiing somewhere above tree line, with lots of open bowls and wide runs? Grab the wrens.

that seems quite far forward, at least to me, for a wren. the consensus here, and definitely with the crew at on3p is mount on the line. a cm or two fwd/aft is acceptable but after that you're trying to (as you say) make the ski something it isn't.

when i'm in open bowl/wide open terrain i always want a ski that i can lay out long wide turns with and prefer as much ski in front of me as possible and i'm guessing most folks here would agree. +3/4 cm forward on your wrens makes me think you'd prefer a Kartel (which i still ride occasionally in open/bowl terrain, just can't haul ass as much) - ymmv

BG - i ride mine anywhere from tight trees to wide open, just need some fresh snow for them to really comfortable

fyi - the difference bewtween Kartel and Wren mount point is +/- 5cm