ON3P SKIS Discussion

[kid-kapow]

nice! If you edited the "E" in friends to be behind the ski (and perhaps edit the highs a bit), then i think this would be close on perfection for ski stoke spreading in my eyes. Thanks for spreading some stoke!

[rudy]

Long shot - Anyone have a pair of Kartel 108s in a 181 in the CO front range/summit co that I could take a few laps on? Would like to try them out before dropping the coin for a new pair of skis which I haven't done in quite some time. Would need to accommodate a 295 BSL. Happy to compensate for the assistance.

[jdadour]

nice! If you edited the "E" in friends to be behind the ski (and perhaps edit the highs a bit), then i think this would be close on perfection for ski stoke spreading in my eyes. Thanks for spreading some stoke!

Thanks! I like your idea with the "E". Yeah I agree, the levels are off a touch, but am still happy with how it came out.

I'M HERE FOR THE STOKE!

[Bandit Man]

I've been using the 10/11 (I think?) 186 helicopter BGs as my inbounds pow ski for a few years. There's a guy selling 2015 186 BGs w/ RES on GS - how do the 2015s compare to the 10/11? No complaints about my current setup, and I'm not too concerned with hardpack performance for these, but I haven't bought a new pair of skis in a while soooo.......

2015’s have next to no camber. Match that with the RES and you get one hell of a loose and playful soft snow ski that can still charge. I have the 2014 version in a 186, which is close, if not identical to, the model in gear swap. They are my favorite BG iteration to date (owned first gen 186, also own current gen 189 and 193).

As noted, hardback performance is barely there for the model in question, but it does so well off trail, I tolerate the “numb” feeling while riding back to the lifts.

[Stove]

Nice! A must have heard about this because this weekend he told M he wanted some park skis. M told A that he needs to get a job if he wants new skis. LOL

Haha! We gave C the choice of Christmas presents and used, ordinary skis, or no presents and the Kartels. His decision making skills warm my heart.

[MHSP1497]

Mounted the wife’s new BG’s. Tour layup. Look fantastic.

Group shot:

[RudyGarmisch]

Alright. Bad way to phrase the question maybe. Sounds like they ski long and take a lot of work, then. I had some 190 Line Sick Day 114’s that made me feel like that. Great for charging down big lines but turned any ski day into a half day. I like the Rusler 11’s because they are stable and can straight line big faces with chopped up snow, but are still pivoty and smeary when I want them to be. Just wondering how the C&D’s ski, as I found some 192’s. Sounds like they may be too long then.

What year on the pair you found, or top sheet photo? It’s a bigger ski but it’s stiff enough to handle big stuff - but for me, I’m clearly in that in between 183 and 193cm length.

[kid-kapow]

i think somebody is going to have a really good season with that lineup....

That family quiver looks absolutely phenomenal! 2019 BG graphics are an instant classic imo

[mr_pretzel]

Took this photo with some ON3P inspiration. Had an incredible thanksgiving weekend of skiing at Mammoth, they opened the top to everyone's surprise. Incredible conditions for November, hiking up to Dropout Chutes, the stoke was VERY high. GO SKIING WITH YOUR FRIENDS

PS Got on my 12/13 Wrenegade 191s for the first time over the weekend, and they are SO SICK. They mash everything but are somehow still manageable. Felt comfortable and balanced on them instantly

Awesome stoke!
You really need to post a updated quiver pic!

[blackalps]

What year on the pair you found, or top sheet photo? It’s a bigger ski but it’s stiff enough to handle big stuff - but for me, I’m clearly in that in between 183 and 193cm length.

17/18

[wakefield]

Does anyone use use the Billy Goat (non-tour layup) as a touring ski? How manageable do you find them on the way up?I got a cheap older pair and am thinking of throwing Shifts on them for short tours and in-bound powder days. Will I hate myself for the weight? I figured I'd try it out this season and, if I like them, consider a newer iteration with the touring layup.

Side note: I grabbed a pair of 17/18 Wren 98s and got them out for the first time last weekend. I now get why people dig this ski so much. They absolutely rail hard snow (all we had) while still being playful and responsive. Love 'em, and now I can't wait to try a 108 if I get the chance in softer snow.

[PowTron]

17/18

Those are tour layup, 191cm, and asymmetric...super easy to ski compared to the older 193.

[Norseman]

Does anyone use use the Billy Goat (non-tour layup) as a touring ski? How manageable do you find them on the way up?I got a cheap older pair and am thinking of throwing Shifts on them for short tours and in-bound powder days. Will I hate myself for the weight? I figured I'd try it out this season and, if I like them, consider a newer iteration with the touring layup.

I did this for years using inserts for P18/FT12.

With a light boot and binding, they are tolerable on the climb if you're strong. Short pow tours be no prob. Tails are long and snaggy.

[S.B.]

Does anyone use use the Billy Goat (non-tour layup) as a touring ski? How manageable do you find them on the way up?I got a cheap older pair and am thinking of throwing Shifts on them for short tours and in-bound powder days. Will I hate myself for the weight? I figured I'd try it out this season and, if I like them, consider a newer iteration with the touring layup.

Side note: I grabbed a pair of 17/18 Wren 98s and got them out for the first time last weekend. I now get why people dig this ski so much. They absolutely rail hard snow (all we had) while still being playful and responsive. Love 'em, and now I can't wait to try a 108 if I get the chance in softer snow.

I have a pair with cast sth2s. I haven't toured that much on them yet but it wasn't too bad, they are definitely fun on the way down.

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[blackalps]

Those are tour layup, 191cm, and asymmetric...super easy to ski compared to the older 193.

Cool thanks. I have some BNIP Blizzard Spurs sitting around and hear good things about them but I would rather be on ON3P and that topsheet is rad. Just don’t want something that’s too difficult to ski. Read: long.

[Bobcat Sig]

Just came here to say that I got out my much-love Viciks last weekend in my old stomping grounds; Bridger Bowl.

God damn, those skis still kill it! And so versatile. They just charge and with a bit of energy in the ski, they get around quite well. I heart them a great deal. So much so that I'm highly tempted to sell my 189cm W108s I bought last year...

[N1CK.]

[Bandit Man]

Honest inquiry here...and likely exacerbated by our local lack of spinning lifts.

I picked up a pair of last year’s 189 W108’s anxious to try the latest version. I haven’t skied them yet. Had previously demoed the W112 186 and thought it felt like a lot of ski in the deep manly conditions I skied it in.

So, with 2014 186 and 2018 189 BG’s and 193 SG’s in the quiver, is there a set of conditions where I am going to want the W108’s?

Reason is setting in and I am starting to think someone else needs the Wrens.

Thoughts?

[MHSP1497]

Honest inquiry here...and likely exacerbated by our local lack of spinning lifts.

I picked up a pair of last year’s 189 W108’s anxious to try the latest version. I haven’t skied them yet. Had previously demoed the W112 186 and thought it felt like a lot of ski in the deep manly conditions I skied it in.

So, with 2014 186 and 2018 189 BG’s and 193 SG’s in the quiver, is there a set of conditions where I am going to want the W108’s?

Reason is setting in and I am starting to think someone else needs the Wrens.

Thoughts?

I’d think they fill the typical PNW “no new snow in days, refrozen boilerplate groomers, crusty days” well enough and handle better than RES in those conditions. Caveat being that I’ve never ridden W108’s at all... I use my stiff K98’s for the aforementioned conditions.

[Bandit Man]

I’d think they fill the typical PNW “no new snow in days, refrozen boilerplate groomers, crusty days” well enough and handle better than RES in those conditions. Caveat being that I’ve never ridden W108’s at all... I use my stiff K98’s for the aforementioned conditions.

I have a pair of rockered Volkl Mantras for those days, filling the same spot as your Kartels.

I like the IDEA of a W108 but starting to think they won’t see many days since I have too many skis.

[SupreChicken]

I have a pair of rockered Volkl Mantras for those days, filling the same spot as your Kartels.

I like the IDEA of a W108 but starting to think they won’t see many days since I have too many skis.

For Stevens, I would probably keep the wrens and ditch the supergoats...unless you just want to straightline Aquarius all day.

[Adrgha]

Does anyone use use the Billy Goat (non-tour layup) as a touring ski? How manageable do you find them on the way up?I got a cheap older pair and am thinking of throwing Shifts on them for short tours and in-bound powder days. Will I hate myself for the weight? I figured I'd try it out this season and, if I like them, consider a newer iteration with the touring layup.

I do. I have mine mounted with Kingpins (knock on wood) and I've had around 60-70 touring days on them over the last two last seasons. I have an entire quiver of lighter touring options, but I keep reaching for the BG's because nothing really compares for me given the right conditions.

Yeah, they're heavy, and you're gonna notice that weight. Especially early in the season. But as the season goes on and you get stronger (and get used to it), they're fine. I have no problems keeping up with people on lighter gear. Whether it's worth it or not is highly personal, but for me it really is if the conditions are right.

I'd also love to try a pair of BG's with the touring layup. I did however buy a pair of C&D's for this season, so do I get to try that layup -- albeit in a slightly different shape.

[blackalps]

any other C&D reviews?

[Gman]

Does anyone use use the Billy Goat (non-tour layup) as a touring ski? How manageable do you find them on the way up?I got a cheap older pair and am thinking of throwing Shifts on them for short tours and in-bound powder days. Will I hate myself for the weight? I figured I'd try it out this season and, if I like them, consider a newer iteration with the touring layup.

Side note: I grabbed a pair of 17/18 Wren 98s and got them out for the first time last weekend. I now get why people dig this ski so much. They absolutely rail hard snow (all we had) while still being playful and responsive. Love 'em, and now I can't wait to try a 108 if I get the chance in softer snow.

It’s all relative to where you’re skiing and how much vert you’re trying to do. The bg in its stock form isn’t designed to be a touring ski. It’s an extremely stout powder ski. Going with the tour option will certainly help but given the materials used it’s still not going to be the lightest option out there. On3p doesn’t compromise when it comes to the quality of their materials, which is why it will never be the lightest one out there.

[Bobcat Sig]

I’d think they fill the typical PNW “no new snow in days, refrozen boilerplate groomers, crusty days” well enough and handle better than RES in those conditions. Caveat being that I’ve never ridden W108’s at all... I use my stiff K98’s for the aforementioned conditions.

The W108 seems like too much and too fat a ski for such days like that. In chop, chunder and skied out pow; the slay. Chargey so you can rip past everyone and yell, "HOLD MY D*CK!"

I have a pair of rockered Volkl Mantras for those days, filling the same spot as your Kartels.

I like the IDEA of a W108 but starting to think they won’t see many days since I have too many skis.

Refrozen PNW mank; not so much. Chunky, funky and the occasional unskied - they'd be ok. I'm finding them to be a bit much for most of those types of days here in PNWet.

For Stevens, I would probably keep the wrens and ditch the supergoats...unless you just want to straightline Aquarius all day.

For me, the SG are for skiing big, alpine peaks and bowl like you're angry at the mountain. Full on, straight-line, big pow rip sticks that give no fucks.

It’s all relative to where you’re skiing and how much vert you’re trying to do. The bg in its stock form isn’t designed to be a touring ski. It’s an extremely stout powder ski. Going with the tour option will certainly help but given the materials used it’s still not going to be the lightest option out there. On3p doesn’t compromise when it comes to the quality of their materials, which is why it will never be the lightest one out there.

I tried touring with my Viciks many years ago; it was a suffer fest. I imagine that with the BG, that would only be exacerbated. Sure, if you're in amazing shape, it will work, but that's a lot of ski to hump around for some wiggle turns and meadow skipping...