ON3P SKIS Discussion

[tuco]

If the shop didn't adjust the belt width on the edge tuner before they tuned our edges, as they are wider than most, you would have a section of flat edge not touched by the belt. We've seen that a couple times when shops were just in automatic mode and throwing the skis straight to the edger without any adjustment.

Another thing to consider here is the bevel plates on the belt side of a stone grinder IS a part that wears out(flattens) and should be replaced periodically

[Adrgha]

Received these beauties from Scott & the gang today. 184 C&D's with skin-clip tails, ended up at ~2250 grams each.

Absolutely outstanding craftsmanship as usual. This shape looks FUN. Bring on the pow

[MHSP1497]

Received these beauties from Scott & the gang today. 184 C&D's with skin-clip tails, ended up at ~2250 grams each.

Absolutely outstanding craftsmanship as usual. This shape looks FUN. Bring on the pow

Awesome! Glad you finally got your pair, you’ve been waiting for so long...

[Bruce Springskiin]

Received these beauties from Scott & the gang today. 184 C&D's with skin-clip tails, ended up at ~2250 grams each.

Absolutely outstanding craftsmanship as usual. This shape looks FUN. Bring on the pow

I like what you have going on across the water also. Enjoy the skis


- I am here for the stoke

[N1CK.]

[kid-kapow]

Received these beauties from Scott & the gang today.

oh snap!

I sold my big boiii (TM) quiver today to a lucky guy, so perhaps i should have gotten some C&Ds a few weeks back after all... Very impressive weight i must say - 2250 at full ON3P build at 124mm/184cm is pretty damned impressive imo

[Adrgha]

Thanks guys. The wait was most definitely worth it! And as you can see in the background, the snow line keeps creeping downwards.. At about 400 meters above sea level now.

oh snap!

I sold my big boiii (TM) quiver today to a lucky guy, so perhaps i should have gotten some C&Ds a few weeks back after all... Very impressive weight i must say - 2250 at full ON3P build at 124mm/184cm is pretty damned impressive imo

Psst. There's a pair in stock right now.

[MHSP1497]

oh snap!

I sold my big boiii (TM) quiver today to a lucky guy, so perhaps i should have gotten some C&Ds a few weeks back after all... Very impressive weight i must say - 2250 at full ON3P build at 124mm/184cm is pretty damned impressive imo

C&D is tour layup/core, 19oz fiberglass and full-width carbon, so not quite the same as full ON3P build. Impressive nonetheless and does not surprise me at all. My pair “feels” substantially lighter than my BG’s or K98’s, tho I’ve not put any of them on an actual scale to find out the facts...

[mfa81]

what’s the difference in stiffness of a stock 108 kartel vs extra carbon vs wood veneer/19oz?

Just got rid of my 176 bg and got a 179 bh asym, now I want to replace my og cochise 177 with either a 108 wren 179 or kartel 176 (seems to be the right size for my 5’5” / 135 frame!)

even not skiing switch or being a jib skier I want something more easy going that’s why the kartel instead of wren, but I also want to be able to use it as a crud buster to replace my cochise, and I want to try something new

do I need a somewhat stiffer than stock kartel 108 for that or stock works fine for breakable crust, day after storm resort skiing?

Also I’m guessing for all mountain I want 176!

[kid-kapow]

yeah - that is true - totally forgot that C&Ds are tour layup - but still, i think it is an impressive weight.

i also think that a custom stiffer pair of k108s should make for a killer am ripper ski. Slightly more relaxed and turny/turn shape variable than wrens, but i would imagine (and it has been commented several times already in this thread) still good versatility and chargability with the stiffer layup (be it added carbon or veneer). I've decided to give my stock 108s at least one more season to really get to know them, but i will not be terribly surprised if i go down the custom stiffer route next summer. I really, really enjoy k108s so far - pretty awesome ski for sure.

[auvgeek]

what’s the difference in stiffness of a stock 108 kartel vs extra carbon vs wood veneer/19oz?

My guess is the stock and veneer/19 oz glass are very close in stiffness. Extra carbon adds stiffness with minimal weight; veneer + 22 oz glass add stiffness and dampness with a little more weight added but likely not much more than stock. Personally, that's my favorite layup.

Just got rid of my 176 bg and got a 179 bh asym, now I want to replace my og cochise 177 with either a 108 wren 179 or kartel 176 (seems to be the right size for my 5’5” / 135 frame!)

even not skiing switch or being a jib skier I want something more easy going that’s why the kartel instead of wren, but I also want to be able to use it as a crud buster to replace my cochise, and I want to try something new

do I need a somewhat stiffer than stock kartel 108 for that or stock works fine for breakable crust, day after storm resort skiing?

Also I’m guessing for all mountain I want 176!

I think you want the 179 Wren 108. It's pretty easy going -- the biggest difference between the Wren and Kartel lines is really the mount point. To a lesser extent, the turn radius but keep in mind the turn radius only matters for carving turns not slarving turns. My wife is basically your size -- since they don't make a 174 Wren 108, we went 175 Black Crows Corvus for her, which seems like the closest option. She has the 175 Corvus Freebird for touring and says they ski way damper and more stable than their radius suggests. Just a thought if you like a traditional mount but the 179 Wren 108 is too long.

[SkiLyft]

Not mine, but though you all would be interested. 2018 BG 189 with one mount - Denver - $350

https://denver.craigslist.org/spo/d/...707186123.html

Thanks N1CK for picking these up and shipping them.. #SOSTOKED
They will do much better then their natural habitat... aka PNWet

[MHSP1497]

veneer + 22 oz glass add stiffness and dampness with a little more weight added but likely not much more than stock. Personally, that's my favorite layup.

I agree wholeheartedly... Love the veneer+22oz+extra carbon layup on my K98’s.

But I’m taller and heavier than the person asking the questions.

[mfa81]

reason I asked veneer 19oz is that’s what as stock option for veneer topsheet and no option for 22oz

[MHSP1497]

reason I asked veneer 19oz is that’s what as stock option for veneer topsheet and no option for 22oz

I know, it’s not available anymore. A few of us were lucky enough to be able to order the 22oz as an option when having our skis made. To be honest, I didn’t give it a whole ton of thought when I built mine, I just chose the options available at the time to build the ski I wanted; and got...

I’d imagine you’d be equally happy with the setup w/ 19oz glass, I’m sure there’s a reason Scott changed things in the builder.

I’d think that veneer + 19oz glass + stock carbon would suit your needs as described at your height/weight. If you really need a little more stiffness, go w/ stiff carbon.

[Powness]

Got a pair of J122 and love how they ski, so thinking about going for a pair of K108 in a tour layup. Weight isn't that important since i won't be going on the longest tours. (4/5 hours at max i think) Will mount them with Salmon Shift so i can use them "inbounds"(Europe, so nothing is really inbounds). Will the tour layup be stiff enough, or should i go for a normal layup with carbon fiber and just starting working out?

[auvgeek]

reason I asked veneer 19oz is that’s what as stock option for veneer topsheet and no option for 22oz

You could email them, if it sounds like something you’d like. Scott is great and wil help you get dialed in.

[TahoeJ]

Got a pair of J122 and love how they ski, so thinking about going for a pair of K108 in a tour layup. Weight isn't that important since i won't be going on the longest tours. (4/5 hours at max i think) Will mount them with Salmon Shift so i can use them "inbounds"(Europe, so nothing is really inbounds). Will the tour layup be stiff enough, or should i go for a normal layup with carbon fiber and just starting working out?

I have some K108's with tour layup ready to be mounted with Shifts. They're plenty stiff, at least from hand flexing. It's still going to be a heavier setup but nice to shave a little weight off.

[RudyGarmisch]

Got a pair of J122 and love how they ski, so thinking about going for a pair of K108 in a tour layup. Weight isn't that important since i won't be going on the longest tours. (4/5 hours at max i think) Will mount them with Salmon Shift so i can use them "inbounds"(Europe, so nothing is really inbounds). Will the tour layup be stiff enough, or should i go for a normal layup with carbon fiber and just starting working out?

I went with 19oz glass and extra carbon. $

[chaka]

Need your help please. Working through a short list of options for my wife's birthday gift: new gear! You have no idea how hard it was to get agreement to finally refresh her ancient setup. Now I have to deliver! Jesse 108s are on the short list because a) I frigging love my BGs and b) the shape/flex profile seem like a damn near perfect match for what we're looking for: a nearly every day driver that is fun, not overbearing, but can slay your typical PNW snow. I did my searchin' in this thread, found quite a few references to mags getting Jessie 108s for their better halfs. Maybe there is even a Maguette out there with a pair? Anyone care to comment on:
1) Intermediate/Advanced skiers having a blast on them? Or was there a difficult learning curve in the beginning?
2) ease of transition if coming from older uber-traditional gear... like say for example K2 Dawn Patrols in an 89 width
3) Weight... does it ski light for its weight, or is it a 'I love these boards wish they were lighter' ski. She's had two ACL reconstructions and plans to also use them for day-tours so weight is something I'm trying to keep down. The Jesse 108 is on the higher end for my short list skis (Atris Birdie, Line Sick Day, possibly Icelandic, possibly Deathwish but don't want to go that wide)
4) Tail stiffness. I want to get her on something she can grow with but enjoy out the gate, not get her ass kicked if she backseats some times
5) Length. She's 5"10, 135ish, athletic. I'm thinking the 171, but would love input.

thanks in advance!

[Norseman]

Pics of the wife would help.

[MHSP1497]

1) my wife is getting a pair this season too, as her powder ski. She’s already on custom, softened Wren88’s that she loves.

2) She also came from older gear (Rossi Bandit B2W’s) which was why she wanted the 88’s to start with. I talked with the guys at the factory when I picked up my C&D’s about new skis for my wife. We discussed custom softened BG’s or J108’s. Ultimately, we decided that the J108 in standard layup would fit my wife best.

3) don’t know yet, she hasn’t skied them. But she’s never felt the W88’s were too heavy, the opposite in fact. She says they ski lighter than they feel carrying them.

4) since the J108 is similar to the K108, it “should” be more forgiving of this than, say, a a Wren or BG.

5) my wife is 5’8” but skis really aggressively slalom-style and prefers long skis. She’s getting 176 J108’s, her W88’s are 179

oh, and we ski Mt Hood...

[jackattack]

For some reason, the Mrs has had mixed results transitioning to her Jessie 108's. I think it is the tail rocker that kind of surprises her when she gets a little backseat. The tail is not punishing per se, but it also doesn't self-correct body position like a flat tailed ski does, it just kinda wheelies out and the shape of the tail has a tendency to do it's own thing on her. Like all ON3P boards, they are on the heavier end of the spectrum. She has not commented on the weight, which echoes my experience with the ON3P layup.

Another ski you might consider, that also might line up with her traditional background, is the Dynastar w98. The design is a step in the right direction, rips pow, and quite light weight. I think it's a great 1 ski quiver for the intermediate/advanced skier. My wife has a pair of these as well and tends to reach for them more often than the ON3P's.

[whitenab]

My GF spent last winter demoing a ton of skis like the Line Pandora (liked), Fatypus's M5 (really liked), QST(Ok), a bunch of others and decided on J108. I just asked her why, she said: they felt stable and fun, easy to get a hang of, and she felt like they supported her when she ended up a bit back seat - which is a problem she has had before and is working on. Not the same impression as Jackattack's wife but, she came from skiing other twin-tipped skis so maybe doesn't have that baseline to judge. Oh, and she said she can play around skiing backwards which is a bonus. She's mounting shifts on them for day tours and side country in addition to a lot of resort riding. She's like 5' 3.5" and athletic and went for the 161 which she might eventually want to change but for now she's happy.

I'd put her as a high intermediate to advanced skiier who is still learning a lot and getting better, Jessie's were something she saw growing with and learning from. She came from some 4frnt Madonnas in the mid 90's underfoot and the couple days she skiied the Jessie's she was noticeably more confident. Also, our close friend works at On3p so we're biased and think they make the best skis in the world so take this all with a grain of salt.

[chaka]

1) my wife is getting a pair this season too, as her powder ski. She’s already on custom, softened Wren88’s that she loves.

2) She also came from older gear (Rossi Bandit B2W’s) which was why she wanted the 88’s to start with. I talked with the guys at the factory when I picked up my C&D’s about new skis for my wife. We discussed custom softened BG’s or J108’s. Ultimately, we decided that the J108 in standard layup would fit my wife best.

3) don’t know yet, she hasn’t skied them. But she’s never felt the W88’s were too heavy, the opposite in fact. She says they ski lighter than they feel carrying them.

4) since the J108 is similar to the K108, it “should” be more forgiving of this than, say, a a Wren or BG.

5) my wife is 5’8” but skis really aggressively slalom-style and prefers long skis. She’s getting 176 J108’s, her W88’s are 179

oh, and we ski Mt Hood...

helpful feedback thanks MHSP! I guess my wife will be starting from a similar width that yours did before jumping to the 108s, I think those Dawn Patrols are 88, 89.

For some reason, the Mrs has had mixed results transitioning to her Jessie 108's. I think it is the tail rocker that kind of surprises her when she gets a little backseat. The tail is not punishing per se, but it also doesn't self-correct body position like a flat tailed ski does, it just kinda wheelies out and the shape of the tail has a tendency to do it's own thing on her. Like all ON3P boards, they are on the heavier end of the spectrum. She has not commented on the weight, which echoes my experience with the ON3P layup.

Another ski you might consider, that also might line up with her traditional background, is the Dynastar w98. The design is a step in the right direction, rips pow, and quite light weight. I think it's a great 1 ski quiver for the intermediate/advanced skier. My wife has a pair of these as well and tends to reach for them more often than the ON3P's.

Thanks JackAttack! interesting insight on the tails I wonder if that's a common issue moving from flat to rockered tails. What size did your wife end of getting, out of curiosity? Also thanks for the w98 rec I'll check them out. I'm trying to stay mid 100's width just to give her as much versatility as possible for where we usually ski but we'll see.

My GF spent last winter demoing a ton of skis like the Line Pandora (liked), Fatypus's M5 (really liked), QST(Ok), a bunch of others and decided on J108. I just asked her why, she said: they felt stable and fun, easy to get a hang of, and she felt like they supported her when she ended up a bit back seat - which is a problem she has had before and is working on. Not the same impression as Jackattack's wife but, she came from skiing other twin-tipped skis so maybe doesn't have that baseline to judge. Oh, and she said she can play around skiing backwards which is a bonus. She's mounting shifts on them for day tours and side country in addition to a lot of resort riding. She's like 5' 3.5" and athletic and went for the 161 which she might eventually want to change but for now she's happy.

I'd put her as a high intermediate to advanced skiier who is still learning a lot and getting better, Jessie's were something she saw growing with and learning from. She came from some 4frnt Madonnas in the mid 90's underfoot and the couple days she skiied the Jessie's she was noticeably more confident. Also, our close friend works at On3p so we're biased and think they make the best skis in the world so take this all with a grain of salt.

Whitenab, right on. great feedback thanks. especially the reference to the Pandora/Sick Day which is also on my list and the QST which I've read a lot of reviews on.

Now I'm wondering if the 166 would work. I'd be good to err on the lighter side. Anyone know if these ski long or short for their size?

ON3P folks: any codes or blems you want to unload? Sorry to have missed the earlier codes, mag sales I was deep into intense negotiations to approve this gear refresh project at the time