ON3P SKIS Discussion

[Bruce Springskiin]

i have recently thought the kartels would still be my preferred one-ski-quiver if i could have only one ski - albeit in a stiffer version than stock to add a bit more umph and high speed stability. As such, has anybody any experience with custom stiffer Kartels? It will be a project for next summer at the earliest, but still it would be interesting to get some feedback.

It is a fun ski, I am really tempted to sell the Supergoats and keep these instead, but would like see them to get used by someone else. I bought them last year really just to answer the same question.

FS: Custom Stiff ON3P Kartel 116, 186cm
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...d.php?t=321184


- I am here for the stoke

[kid-kapow]

Bruce - not to be overly stupid here - but why not keep both k116s and SGs? Sure, there is a bit of an overlap, but then again - they are plenty different imo. Buying those skis are mighty tempting i might add - the price is an absolute bargain for an unicorn ski imo, even if my 115mm ish quiver game is pretty strong as is

superb insight

thanks man - appreciate it! I suspect i will try to consolidate my k98s and k108s into one ski after this season. I got the k98s a size smaller to help me learn some freestyle moves and skiing switch, and i think my current 108s will mesh perfectly with that plan being a bit more forgiving. As my skills improve though i am thinking that a stiffer 108 will be able to cater to both needs. Time will tell. It is a 2020 project, so no rush.

thanks again for the input - both of you

[Bruce Springskiin]

Bruce - not to be overly stupid here - but why not keep both k116s and SGs? Sure, there is a bit of an overlap, but then again - they are plenty different imo. Buying those skis are mighty tempting i might add - the price is an absolute bargain for an unicorn ski imo, even if my 115mm ish quiver game is pretty strong as is

There is the temptation to do so, but I bought the stiffy K116s as an experiment with intent to sell this fall. They do overlap, and the surprise is I could conceivably keep these as my daily driver and sell the SG. But I have the SG so dialed it would be wrong to sell. My goal is to eliminate overlap and have a lower maintenance more stream lined quiver.




- I am here for the stoke

[kid-kapow]

hehe - yeah - i totally get where you are coming from. I have done the same (consolidate a bit) for this season, though with a bit of a twist that makes it easy to have my cake and eat it too. Time will tell what happens eh.

Btw - I will be extremely surprised if those oh so sweet k116s don't sell pretty fast as the snowy time approaches. They are an absolute bargain imo - and pretty and purple to boot.

[Bruce Springskiin]

If I can start the season with a restrained quiver hopefully I won’t end it with a pile of skis like years past.


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[sf]

Can't really see the problem

[pman]

If I can start the season with a restrained quiver hopefully I won’t end it with a pile of skis like years past.


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I feel you. Sold my OG Bibby Pros and replaced them with a set of 189 W108's and a set of Line Pescados this summer. Hopefully that will hold me for a while. I think that is a solid west coast quiver. I have my old school K2 public enemy's for the real crappy days that somehow still surprise me of how fun they are when I get on them.

[Bruce Springskiin]

I had a pair of Jeffrey 114 a few years back, and to be honest I could and should have just kept those. But I like how all the options from ON3P ski, but they all have their good days, and then really good days. It is that looking for something just a little bit more that keeps me buying new variations. Some previous Wren 112’s I had also had their really good days, and I could have stayed with them too. I have in some ways regretted selling every pair of ON3P’s I have ever owned. But owning too many pairs mean they don’t get skied enough, and maintenance adds up. Giving them a tune at the ends of the season can turns into a full weekend project.


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[MHSP1497]

thanks again for the input - both of you

For sure, man. Where do you ski? If you’re ever on Mt. Hood, hit me up and you can ride the K98’s to see if it’s really what you’re after. Mounted w/ STH2 16 @317bsl and set in the middle of the range.

[kid-kapow]

If you’re ever on Mt. Hood, hit me up and you can ride the K98’s to see if it’s really what you’re after.

thanks for the offer - i will def keep it in mind if i am in your neck of the woods. I am based in western Norway so alas, i rarely get to ski in the states

[nyskirat]

Selling some 2017 BG's. https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...52#post5426452

Price police, lemme know if that's unreasonable for those skis. Pretty good condition, don't see a lot on B/S/T so no reference point.

[uglymoney]

Seems reasonable to me.

Selling my 17 184 BG's never ever.



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[Banh Mi]

Pre asym goodness

Never selling my 2017s either. My 189s are fkn stiff and heavy and versatile.


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[kid-kapow]

please correct me if i have misunderstood something, but isn't the whole idea of the asym thingy to make the inner ski less turny? If my memory serves me right the inner ski of my asym BGs isn't terribly turny - unlike my BMT122s that favors a very heavy outer foot heavy bias for the skis to make equal turns.

I seem to remember that the gripe against asyms is that for some reason asym BGs are more turny on the inside ski - which just intuitively makes no sense to me if i have understood how they are supposed to ski correctly. The sidecut is identical on both sides of the ski, and with the asym there is less surface area on the outside of the inside ski to hook on soft snow which in theory should make em more settled and slarvy with the best of em. What am i not getting here? Everything else being equal asyms would then need a longer sidecut on the outside ski to be less turny - which makes sense - but not when compared to preasyms with the identical sidecut and larger surface area on the extremities.

luckily - my big boii quiver has a pair of 184 pre-asyms so i guess i will have to ride em back to back with my 179 asyms when the snow arrives provided they are still in the quiver by then

[Banh Mi]

Asym feels better on RES, it makes sense in soft snow, and seems to work for most people.


For me, it’s not as easy to figure out and not as predictable on really firm snow, but thats not the point of the BG

[2FUNKY]

Only asym ski I’ve been on was the 1.5 Super Goat. Couldn’t tell a bit of difference. I was only on them for a couple hours in 2’ of pow so maybe more time would have shown me the light. Snow was cut up by the time I hopped on them so maybe it’s a fresh tracks kinda thing. Not sure about that.

[Norseman]

Only asym ski I’ve been on was the 1.5 Super Goat. Couldn’t tell a bit of difference. I was only on them for a couple hours in 2’ of pow so maybe more time would have shown me the light. Snow was cut up by the time I hopped on them so maybe it’s a fresh tracks kinda thing. Not sure about that.

You poor thing.

[kid-kapow]

this is where i get a bit confused. On harder snow (meaning no soft snow to hammer through) the sidecut of an asym is identical of the earlier non-asym-version no? And then if there is softer bumps between the harder snow, the asym design should still have an inside edge (of the outside ski) bias from a physics side of things (meaning the inside of the outer ski will all other things being equal generate more turning power than the outside edge of the inside ski when punching through snow as the inside ski will have an inside edge bias causing potentially less tip bending early in the turn). My understanding of ski geometries isn't as good as it could be, but i kinda lean toward it being more of a potential stiffer flex issue than inherent asym design characteristic. I might be wrong - or prob am at that.

but yeah - anyway - i will have ample opportunity to ride asyms vs symetrical skis back to back in the coming season - so i am looking forward to learning more about how different designs skis

thanks for your thoughts though Betel and 2funky

[2FUNKY]

You poor thing.

I know, it was a tough day for ski testing.

[BC.]

Finally had enough cash to hit the “submit order” in my cart for 2019 Wren 108’s.

Looking forward to seeing how they do out here on the EC. I am sure the chicks at the Beast will love em’!

[2FUNKY]

You’re gonna pull all kinds of poon now.

[BC.]

There is nothing better than Jersey Italian tang......🤪

[Self Jupiter]

Give them what they really want... molly

[galibier_numero_un]

Asym feels better on RES, it makes sense in soft snow, and seems to work for most people.


For me, it’s not as easy to figure out and not as predictable on really firm snow, but thats not the point of the BG

I seem ok on hardpack with asym when I remember to ski more centered, but old habits (drive the shins) die slowly.

My experience of the asym BGs is only a demo day on hard pack, but they respond like my Praxis Q's on the hard stuff.

I'm guessing that (like my Q's), they're more intuitive in their natural environment - 3D snow.

I really want to get on the newer BGs on soft stuff as I'm having seller's remorse over parting with my 15/16 Goats

... Thom

[Sessiøn]

I seem ok on hardpack with asym when I remember to ski more centered, but old habits (drive the shins) die slowly.

My experience of the asym BGs is only a demo day on hard pack, but they respond like my Praxis Q's on the hard stuff.

I'm guessing that (like my Q's), they're more intuitive in their natural environment - 3D snow.

I really want to get on the newer BGs on soft stuff as I'm having seller's remorse over parting with my 15/16 Goats

... Thom

Realistically....he's probably just over thinking it.