ON3P SKIS Discussion

[jesski]

More for you!

No, no. I think you misunderstood.

He actually DOES need more. Auvgeek has had a serious ski deficit lately.

[ScrewYou]

Put inserts in the ones you already have, for dynafit and fks or whatever...

I get this a lot. I think you've said it to me before lol. I hate giving my excuse as to why I don't have them, because it's got more to do with my OCD/Craziness, rather than actual physics, anecdotal evidence, or even common sense.

I know the chance of them stripping or coming out, when used/installed correctly, is slim to nil. However, as a big guy that skis very hard, my brain just won't let it go. I'm paranoid about adding a "middleman" into the mix..

Probably going to start going that direction though. Due to lack of funds for all these friggen binders.. I want to ski on a pair of skis with inserts, just to break through that initial barrier, I've never tried them honestly.

Is there any data on strength of connection of metal-to-metal inserts, compared to metal-to-wood/glue?

[ScrewYou]

What in the F are these?

[SupreChicken]

What in the F are these?

Rowen? Care to comment?

[FullStop]

Rowen? Care to comment?

The oar!

[iggyskier]

Rowen? Care to comment?

Those are the Oars. One of Rowen's more...interesting prototypes. He wanted to float in powder while feeling like you were deep in the snow. Based upon a 186cm Jeronimo (96 underfoot) with those tips + convexity on the paddles.

We still have them here and they get skied from time to time. The best part is they ski a lot better than they look as long as you are going down the mountain. Some of us were even hitting park features on them. Traversing though...yeah. Avoid traversing...and mute grabs. Both of those end up going pretty poorly.

A few photos just for fun:

[galibier_numero_un]

Is there any data on strength of connection of metal-to-metal inserts, compared to metal-to-wood/glue?

I seem to recall 1000-oaks doing an informal (for him) "pull-out" study on std. mounts, helicoils, and inserts. It was over a year ago. As I recall, he found both inserts and helicoils being considerably stronger than a standard mount, with helicoils edging out inserts.

I can't recall the specifics (e.g. the glue or epoxy used on the std. mounts). Knowing him, I'm sure he tried to optimize the mounts (i.e. G-Flex epoxy).

Cheers,
Thom

[Norseman]

Being too lazy to look up the tensile areas and threadforms of the three fasteners in question here (insert, machine screw, traditional screw), I can't give solid engineering numbers to back this up, but... inserts are way fucking stronger than a traditional mount. Thread area of the ski's wood is the limiting parameter, and the 5/16-18 threads of the inserts are like 3 times the cross sectional area of a traditional screw. I'd be interested to see the pull-out test results. Is jondrums still around here?

aevergreen - trust the inserts!

[ScrewYou]

Thanks for the info. Stronger sounds good to me!

[TahoeJ]

What the hell happens when you put an oar ski up on edge??? That's crazy! haha.

[iggyskier]

What the hell happens when you put an oar ski up on edge??? That's crazy! haha.

You can go about 15 degrees from straight down the fall line before it starts to become an issue. If you are making pretty large turns, they ski hardpack fine. Just keep the skis moving down the fall line.

Traversing = . One of our guys here took them into BC outside TLine one spring and had a pretty difficult traverse back into the result.

[alfajores]

Right on! Thanks mate, appreciate the feedback! Catch ya on the slopes.

Come ski it up with us in Kwood. Planning some Mammoth days and Squalpine weekends too.

[MHSP1497]

Come ski it up with us in Kwood. Planning some Mammoth days and Squalpine weekends too.

Count on it! Skied Kwood for the first time last season around Xmas and enjoyed the heck out of it (just wished there'd been some more snow). Mammoth sounds fun....

[ScrewYou]

Count on it! Skied Kwood for the first time last season around Xmas and enjoyed the heck out of it (just wished there'd been some more snow). Mammoth sounds fun....

You just wait till you ski your On3p's... both you and your wife will wonder if they are built with magic, a la GrizzlyCorn, alongside bamboo, carbon and other burly materials. I have skied so many big name skis from big name brands, and while some of them are great skis, the overall consistency, durability, and performance from ON3P is astonishing in comparison.. I also dig the way they look, always have for some reason, which is the cherry on top.

Every ski I have ridden from them has been a blast. Even the models that don't suit my specific "style", like the steeple series. EVERY SINGLE SKI I have tried from them, I've absolutely loved, and thought they were the best of their respective categories.

[MHSP1497]

You just wait till you ski your On3p's... both you and your wife will wonder if they are built with magic, a la GrizzlyCorn, alongside bamboo, carbon and other burly materials. I have skied so many big name skis from big name brands, and while some of them are great skis, the overall consistency, durability, and performance from ON3P is astonishing in comparison.. I also dig the way they look, always have for some reason, which is the cherry on top.

Every ski I have ridden from them has been a blast. Even the models that don't suit my specific "style", like the steeple series. EVERY SINGLE SKI I have tried from them, I've absolutely loved, and thought they were the best of their respective categories.

Right on, man. I'm really stoked to ride them. Everything I've read implies there's magic in them skis!

I rode Volant Machete Sin's for years and loved the way they busted crud. They were stiff, heavy and FAST. Skied 'em out working Patrol on Mt. Hood (volunteer, most weekends) and switched to Salomon 1080 Foils. The Foils were great for Patrol work, light, soft and floated reasonably well, but they were never fast enough. Last season I bought some Solomon Czar's and they really disappointed me. Too noodly on groomers and not quite enough float (plus they skied really short for their advertised length). So, when the wife and I were talking skis and she expressed how little she cared for the Nordica's I bought her last year, I started shopping.

i'll be honest, I'd never heard of ON3P... But the more I read about them, the more convinced I became that they were legit. Even my step daughter gave ON3P props, and she's a National Champion snowboarder. The Billy Goats sounded like the best parts of my old Machete's, the playfulness of the Foils and the float of a Pow ski. So, it was an easy decision for me... The wife's skis, tho, I agonized over the 88 or 98's. After talking to her and hearing what she wanted in a ski, the 88's are exactly what she needs (she wants a stiff ski, that does really well on the groomers where she spends most of her time but can go off piste and perform as well.

[MHSP1497]

I keep looking at the Wren 98's to add to my BG's. Seems like the "perfect" 2-ski quiver. I don't know, maybe I should wait to ride my BG's before ordering more skis...

[auvgeek]

I'd wait till you see how you like how the ON3P skis "feel." I personally love the way my extra-stiff ON3Ps ski in the PNW, but I'm not sure if I'd want something quite so...massive...for a continental snowpack, for example. Keep in mind I'm 155-160# on the 191 BG, though.

There are a few other great ski manufacturers turning out great, durable skis as well, most notably Praxis. But Blizzard, 4FRNT, etc, all make good skis, too. No need to rush things.

[Sessiøn]

I keep looking at the Wren 98's to add to my BG's. Seems like the "perfect" 2-ski quiver. I don't know, maybe I should wait to ride my BG's before ordering more skis...

Do you still call Mt Hood your home mountain? I just added some Wren 98's to my quiver. If they ski anywhere as close to good as the old Vicik on Hood snowpack, I will be in love. If you have a 305 BSL you could even give mine a try.

[MHSP1497]

Do you still call Mt Hood your home mountain? I just added some Wren 98's to my quiver. If they ski anywhere as close to good as the old Vicik on Hood snowpack, I will be in love. If you have a 305 BSL you could even give mine a try.

Mt. Hood will be home when we move back to OR this summer. We're selling our house in Rhododendron and buying a condo on the golf course at The Resort at the Mountain in Welches. This ski season will be a Tahoe season since we're exiled in the Bay Area for now due to my job. Just thinking the Wren 98's will be good for Sierra Cement too...

edited to add: BSL = 318mm (Dalbello Voodoo's in 27.5)

[MHSP1497]

I'd wait till you see how you like how the ON3P skis "feel." I personally love the way my extra-stiff ON3Ps ski in the PNW, but I'm not sure if I'd want something quite so...massive...for a continental snowpack, for example. Keep in mind I'm 155-160# on the 191 BG, though.

There are a few other great ski manufacturers turning out great, durable skis as well, most notably Praxis. But Blizzard, 4FRNT, etc, all make good skis, too. No need to rush things.

Thank you for this advice. You're right, since I'm new to the brand, I should prolly ski 'em first. I'm 6' and 175-18# and went 184 BG since I mostly do resort skiing and resort-accessible side-country.

[Norseman]

Dem Billies are going to change your skiing and your life, coming from the other boards you've had. Give us a report after the first week on em. You'll need a little time to discover all the new things you can do.

Gah, I sound like a fuckin fanboi... can't help it. Scott! I want 191 Wren 108s cause they look badass, but am worried about cutting into my time on the goats.

[2FUNKY]

Anyone going to be at BBI with a pair of 191/189 Billys that I can stuff a 306bsl into to?? I'll have protest and 191 Lhasa Fats to trade for a run or two.

[ScrewYou]

BGs and wren 98s would be a great 2 ski quiver for Tahoe IMO. Just wait till you ski the bamboo, you'll want em' all!

I ski BGs or Viciks most days here in Tahoe, and that combo could cover everything, if I was forced to sell off my other skis.. I personally like wider skis though. These Viciks are from 2014, and they're basically a wider, heavier, and softer wren 98... so the wrens will be better in firmer conditions, but with the updated rocker profile, they probably float almost as well as the Vicik. Which really doesn't matter, as you'd take your BGs out in anything over 2-3 inches, and leave the wrens for low tide..


On another note. If the wren 88 was made in the 189 length, I would have already bought a pair a month ago.. thankfully for my wallet, that specific design isn't being made this season, and it probably wouldn't be a big seller for anyone under 200lbs, so may never be available.. It's my on-paper, perfect mogul/groomer ski though. The tychoon was great for medium speeds, but i always thought it was too short, too wide, and way to soft for pushing my fat ass through bumps at high speeds.

[uglymoney]

I'm still waiting for more reviews or ski time on the Wren 88 98 and 108 because I want. Even though I am just shy of 6 2' and about 200 lbs I own the 180 Brahma (88) for shit kicking and it is a totally different ski than the 186 Brahma and (way) more fun. I wonder if the same is true for the new Wren 88. When I want more ski I generally want more waist to go with the length.

[Norseman]

Anyone going to be at BBI with a pair of 191/189 Billys that I can stuff a 306bsl into to?? I'll have protest and 191 Lhasa Fats to trade for a run or two.

Just out of range for mine (pivots at 316mm).

Here's a thought... maybe we could arrange some sort of demo fleet for the get-together. Would ON3P we open to having a handful of skis to play with at this fine venue? Maybe even send a guy up from Portland to man the official tent and sling bamboo?