ON3P SKIS Discussion

[Bruce Springskiin]

Just buy them for her. You will be able to unload them of she doesn't like them.

Yeah, I know. Just trying to seek out a lower pressure way for her to try them before, going hey I bought you new skis, hope you like them.

[iggyskier]

Should be a 171cm Jessie 98 in the MT and CO demo fleets (not sure if they are sold already) but no 166cm demos this year.

[homeeey]

Next Adventure here in Portland had them in the closeout section last week.

https://nextadventure.net/on3p-women...skis-2018.html

[Name Redacted]

Just buy the ON3P's and spray paint them pink. She'll never know they aren't Black Crows

[Bruce Springskiin]

thanks for the ski tips y’all

Iggy, are 166’s being phased out?

Homeey, The next adventure link is solid, I may have to make a move on that shortly if nothing else comes up.

shredgnar, she is sharper than that but she did like the pink color of those skis. Iggy I am envisioning veneers with pink sidewalls for the ladies



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[iggyskier]

thanks for the ski tips y’all

Iggy, are 166’s being phased out?

Homeey, The next adventure link is solid, I may have to make a move on that shortly if nothing else comes up.

shredgnar, she is sharper than that but she did like the pink color of those skis. Iggy I am envisioning veneers with pink sidewalls for the ladies

166cm is here to stay. We just didn't have the mold done when we made 2018 demo skis last January, so they didn't make it into the demo fleet for the year.

Haven't got pink sidewalls yet but will be a color we consider when we add more.

[MHSP1497]

Haven't got pink sidewalls yet but will be a color we consider when we add more.

Are there going to be more options next year? I LOVE my green sidewalls, but if others were an option... Planning on ordering the new C&D’s for myself and a pair of BG’s for the wife and I know i’m Gonna go green, unless there’s something else to consider.

[Bruce Springskiin]

Are there going to be more options next year? I LOVE my green sidewalls, but if others were an option... Planning on ordering the new C&D’s for myself and a pair of BG’s for the wife and I know i’m Gonna go green, unless there’s something else to consider.

Oh dear, look what I started. I dig what you do Iggy, I know it can be a pain dealing with all these special requests and hair brained ideas.


- I am here for the stoke

[iggyskier]

Are there going to be more options next year? I LOVE my green sidewalls, but if others were an option... Planning on ordering the new C&D’s for myself and a pair of BG’s for the wife and I know i’m Gonna go green, unless there’s something else to consider.

No set plans for it right now, but I am sure it will happen eventually. Minimums aren't small, and we aren't doing that many customs, so we'll see. Probably loud colors if we did it (pink, yellow, etc).

[TBS]

Iggy - thanks for bringing the demo crew to Mt B 3/31. Will and Sean are great ambassadors.

Gotta find a time to demo the wren 96s in firm conditions. Devastated to hear the 88 is no more <sniff>

Neither Will nor Sean had heard of the GSA. You need to gather them at your feet and tell the story...

[Banh Mi]

No set plans for it right now, but I am sure it will happen eventually. Minimums aren't small, and we aren't doing that many customs, so we'll see. Probably loud colors if we did it (pink, yellow, etc).

Oh man. Red sidewall cease and desists, or blue sidewall BG’s, would be some gonzo level stuff.


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[MHSP1497]

No set plans for it right now, but I am sure it will happen eventually. Minimums aren't small, and we aren't doing that many customs, so we'll see. Probably loud colors if we did it (pink, yellow, etc).

no worries. Agree on going “loud” if you do. That’s what I love about the green sidewalls!!!

[nickbokhoven]

Just buy them for her. You will be able to unload them of she doesn't like them.

Demo fleet 171 Jessie’s for sale on Newschoolers from PNSkier for $450 with bindings. Picked a used pair of Jessie 100 via CL in 171 and put Pivots on them for my wife and she skied them today at Mammoth in spring conditions and loved them. First pair of ON3P in the family quiver but will not be the last. Super impressed with the quality.


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[Bruce Springskiin]

PNSkier for $450 with bindings.

Doesn’t PNSkier have a handle over here?

[kid-kapow]

sorry in advance for the lenghty post:

I have finally gotten around to riding my kartels back to back with my wrens, so thought i should provide some thoughts. I have approx two days on the k108s/181 and one day on the k98s/176, lots of days on the w108 and approx four days on the w88s. I have yet to ride the skis enough to really make any suggestions for improvements - so sorry in advance for that.

bottom line up front:
wren - drive and charge for A+ performance.
kartel - playful and versatile for all round enjoyment.

w108: I simply love these. Point&shoot or high speed arcs are super fun, seemingly regardless of snow conditions. They are intuitive, damp and predictable. I have never felt Blister's lack of stiffness up front to be an issue, but then again i am neither the heaviest of skiers at 160lbs nor as good as skier as a lot TGR's mag community. Wren108s retain the daily driver status and is simply a perfect fit with how i prefer (and love) to ski.

w88s: coming from w108s these are an easy-to-ski, narrower version of w108s. W88s are perhaps a touch less damp, but can still handle all kinds of groomer and harder snow abuse exceedingly well. Their added stiffness and shorter sidecut makes them really come alive when driven on harder snow, while the rocker profile ensures surprisingly good soft snow performance (though i would think w98s are a lot better in softer snow). Coming from k98s though, w88s seemingly have no speed limit and prefer more serious terrain at mach loony speeds to come fully alive. They prefer to be driven, and the comment by a previous poster('s wife) that these things just want to go faster suddenly made a whole lot more sense coming from k98s (as opposed to coming from w108s were they are just more of the same). All in all, a super fun and easy-to-ski charger. Unknown noodling around capabilities in trickier terrain - have yet to try that, but i think w98s are better for those conditions. Simply sensational graphic!

k108s: Super fun ski. Perhaps not as damp and choppy/crud crushing friendly as w108s at higher speeds, but i get why a lot of people prefer this ski as their daily driver for playful riding. With all the w108 stoke in this thread, k108's easy going nature, versatility and playfulness - all with an underlying chargability - is perhaps a bit under communicated and was not fully appreciated by me at least. I think these will be an absolute riot in softer snow. Does well in a myriad of turn shapes.

k98s: bought these in 176 - against PowTron's recommendation to get 181s - due to limited avaliability locally and wanting a short, softer ski to get a bit jibby on. For all round uses 181 would def be a better choice for me, though i think these still will have their uses as a stepping stone and learning tools. Much smaller sweet spot than the aforementioned skis at speed - meaning the softer flex and shorter length is more sensitive to correct weighting (duh) with these being the first ON3Ps i've been on with a speed limit. Still, k98s are playful, easy to ski and cater well to a multitude of turn shapes. Having never ridden w98s i cannot compare. Nearly had the slam of the season on these getting in the back seat at mach loony over a steep roller, but managed to salvage it - just - crisis averted! (Aka 100% user error.) Will def go up in length next time around.

The other key take away from riding pivots/rc4 boots (paired with the kartels) and tectons/hawx xtd130s (wrens) back to back is that i need some stiffer tongues in my pro tours for the hawx. Other than that the hawx/tecton combo holds up admirably well in comparison to the dedicated alpine pivot/rc4 setup, even if i prefer the more solid feel of the rc4s over the hawx. Def made me reconsider getting shifts.

Other suggestions:
Not to step on any toes as both the current and next year's line up both look amazing, but I thought i would make a suggestion in the best "if enough people want it they might build it" fashion. While i love my ON3Ps, the weight that is so awesome for resort riding can get a bit on the heavy side for touring. While i do not really want lighter lay ups, a lighter colored custom top sheet based on for instance the 2019 Wrenegade graphic could help minimize snow build up on the ups making the weight more managable. It could also add an option to the already awesome all white custom graphic. I also love the matte textured top sheet on my k108s, so i would love to see that type top sheet in a dedicated tour graphic (the lettering could just say ON3Ptour to avoid dissonance between the graphic and the ski design). Such a graphic based on white, grey and black with some metal flake sparkling goodness in the paint could be truly killer looking ski with a real performance benefit for the ups, with continued ON3P awesomeness for the downs. Seeing how sensational ON3Ps graphics already are, i am sure the graphical design masterminds employed by Iggy could transform my less-than-impressive wren114 inversion rendition into a truly killer design ! (though i fully appreciate that it can be cost prohibitive to develop and logistically challenging to stock said design)


for next year's quiver the wren114s and k116s might battle it out for a new wider ski if i decide to go down that route - probably to replace or potentially compliment my BGs, while a wren96 for touring needs is probably a sure bet if i have the funds avaliable (first priority over a wider ski). A 181 k98 might happen as well if i sell my current 176s, though that the k108s will fill the part playful ski in the quiver by itself is perhaps more likely. I dunno, i was initially intending to severly reduce my quiver to two pairs (w88s and w108s) to raise some funds for other priorities, but time will tell what happens. Having a versatile quiver is simply a lot of fun, if a bit on the expensive side.

and yes, again - I forgot to snap photos while skiing as I simply had too much fun. My apologies.

[TahoeJ]

^^ I would likely order some custom skis with a top sheet like that for the exact same purpose. The lighter colors really do shed snow better when touring, and it would be cool to incorporate some of the ON3P art (especially from this upcoming season) instead of just going straight white. Those with some green side walls would be sweet.

How did you feel about your stance on the K108's compared to the Wren 108's? Did you noticeably have to be more centered or could you still drive them forward on the tips pretty well? I'm kinda sorta thinking of going with the K108's with a touring layup. Much as I love the W108's, full tail rocker can be nice in tight low-tide BC type situations where it's really easy to just pivot them around.

[Norseman]

Counterpoint: big tails snag up on each other occasionally and make kick turns more gymnastic

[Banh Mi]

How much better is the K108 on hardpack, compared to K116?

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[TahoeJ]

Counterpoint: big tails snag up on each other occasionally and make kick turns more gymnastic

Yeah, although I'm used to it - my deep day touring setup (Anima Freebird) has a pretty healthy dose of tail rocker. On the plus side, it's a bit easier to grab your skin tail clip when transitioning without stepping out.

Also was encouraged by the slight tweak's to next year's version (as per the blister podcast) talking about a tail that releases a little easier, especially for someone who is typically a directional skier.

[thebrucemac]

How are the 98s? I'm considering the 96s next year or trying to find some 98s as well.

Haven't mounted yet and I may wait until summer/fall as I'm in the market for new boots and may size down. Skied my W108's Saturday in some spring mash for the first time and had fun. For me personally, I'm feeling it in my legs/knees after a solid day on these, but still worth it.

[kid-kapow]

TahowJ: while my time on the Kartels is kinda limited, i will offer some thoughts. Kartels feel quite different than Wrens, and are a both lot easier to turn without driving them (keyword: lively) and respond well variation in stance - wrens prefer to be driven while the kartels does not. I seem to remember that kartels respond well to both being driven and a more centered stance however (for groomed skiing), though skiing better with the latter. That being said, I tried actively to ski them centered, so whenever i felt shin pressure i tried to let off. I did not try them in prolonged soft snow (everything was super tracked out and sun baked) and thus mostly used them on groomers with various degrees of chopped up snow, so i am a bit hesitant to be too specific in judging of how they should be skied across conditions. They do not have the speed capability of wrens imo, even if they can be skied helluva fast.

That being said, with their more pronounced rocker profile and shorter side cut / effective edge i think Kartels would be an absolutely awesome as a soft snow ski - touring uses not withstanding. I would perhaps suggest adding a bit more beef underfoot/non-rockered parts if you plan to charge, but other than that they should be a super solid choice for the use you lay out. Norseman's point is valid though. That being said, Anima freebirds are a lot softer than kartel108s if my memory serves me right. I seem to remember that i thought "wow, these are really soft" when hand flexing them. I have not skied anima/anima freebird. i considered them before the season started, but am very glad i went with ON3Ps instead. BC are probably awesome as well, but i am very, very satisfied with all of my ON3Ps for their intended uses, and i am usaully pretty good at finding fault with equipment. The only ON3P i have not instantly bonded with is the BG, though that is partly due to insecurity if the tecton/XTD combo will be enough making me ski cautiously and me prefering to use sidecut to turn my skis over force.

bruce: yeah, that feeling had me concerned at first (why i bought the kartels), but they mellow out / you grow acustomed to em pretty fast. Wrens are awesome.

[TahoeJ]

Yeah, Anima Freebirds are like Billy Goats if you left them sitting too long in the boiling water on the stove. ;-) Which is great for backcountry use since they're so damn light - I don't need to blast through any chop when touring in powder. The K108's - in theory - would be for more variable conditions, still fun in powder but capable on firm / mixed snow as well. I'm willing to forego some resort blasting power to shave some weight on the skin track, especially since they're more on the playful side anyway. Part of me just wanted to do some W108's with a touring layup but since I already own that ski that's kind of boring and it's more fun to mix it up a bit with something different (and a little more turny at slower speeds in tight spaces, which is common for getting back to the trailheads in Tahoe).

[Bruce Springskiin]

Demo fleet 171 Jessie’s for sale on Newschoolers from PNSkier for $450 with bindings. Picked a used pair of Jessie 100 via CL in 171 and put Pivots on them for my wife and she skied them today at Mammoth in spring conditions and loved them. First pair of ON3P in the family quiver but will not be the last. Super impressed with the quality.


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Nick, thank you for the “ski tip” I grabbed those Jessie’s

I was really intending to simply the quiver this year. I think I will end it with more than I started with.

[Cdubmpdx]

Nick, thank you for the “ski tip” I grabbed those Jessie’s

I was really intending to simply the quiver this year. I think I will end it with more than I started with.

It was a good move!

[JaytaeMoney]

How did you feel about your stance on the K108's compared to the Wren 108's? Did you noticeably have to be more centered or could you still drive them forward on the tips pretty well?

You can drive the K108 if conditions are consistent but it will fold if you try to stand on it and truck through heavy chop. That's the only area where I have been less than thrilled with it so far (coming from several years on various iterations of the Cochise).