ON3P SKIS Discussion

[margotron]

Yeah, I mean, I kind of see that perspective too. It’s complicated. Both great skis.

+1 everyone weighs tradeoffs differently.

[crank54]

Wren 108’s are more of a quiver ski but one that is the primary ski in your quiver that you use most. But you have something wider and skinnier.

Wren 98 is more of a one ski quiver. Or maybe that and a super wide pow ski or even a BG.

I own both but the 98 is my non pow touring ski, although it’s pretty good in pow which makes it perfect for that purpose when you head out and may ski powder up top but variable shit to get back to the car.

Does that help or is it more confusing?

Just curious why you think a wider ski than the W108 is needed/wanted in a quiver? Guess it depends on where you're skiing (I'm skiing N VT), but I've found the Wren 108 to float really well and pivot around in the trees nicely. I have some Bent Chetlers (123 underfoot) that I rarely reach for anymore, even on deep days.

I guess for me, it seems that ski design has progressed to the point that you can enjoy the benefits of a ~110 width ski (versatility getting to/from the deep stuff, crud/chop performance, etc.), while not giving up much in float/pow performance.

Have others found the W108 lacking in pow performance?

[N1CK.]

Have others found the W108 lacking in pow performance?

No. *

* I think the W108 is a great everyday ski in Colorado. It floats just fine in the morning on fresh snow, but keeps performing after things get eaten up.
I have wider skis which I'll grab on big pow days but if I had to have only one ski the Wren is hard to beat.

Very glad Iggy said they haven't changed the 108 for next year.

[mtskibum16]

Just curious why you think a wider ski than the W108 is needed/wanted in a quiver? Guess it depends on where you're skiing (I'm skiing N VT), but I've found the Wren 108 to float really well and pivot around in the trees nicely. I have some Bent Chetlers (123 underfoot) that I rarely reach for anymore, even on deep days.

I guess for me, it seems that ski design has progressed to the point that you can enjoy the benefits of a ~110 width ski (versatility getting to/from the deep stuff, crud/chop performance, etc.), while not giving up much in float/pow performance.

Have others found the W108 lacking in pow performance?

It really depends on the location, typical conditions, and skier preference. Being in the PNW with a lot of snow (most years) I'm willing to give up a little hard snow performance for soft snow performance. Lot's of people daily drive stuff like Billy Goats, Bibbys, etc. ~115 waist skis that hold up to the afternoon chop. For me a W108 and a BG would be a great 2 ski quiver where the BG comes out on basically anything soft. If I had to have only one ski, I'd have to think pretty hard about something like a W108 or a BG, because I prioritize powder performance (but it would have to be a versatile powder ski).

[auvgeek]

Very glad Iggy said they haven't changed the 108 for next year.

Did he say the 18.19 W108 is unchanged, or did he just say they're still making a Wren with a 108 waist? The only quote I could find is

W108 is not going away. We're pretty happy with 108 as the best width for everyday west coast skiing.

[thebrucemac]

Did he say the 18.19 W108 is unchanged, or did he just say they're still making a Wren with a 108 waist? The only quote I could find is

He only said there would be a W108. No comments that I saw with regards to spec changes.

[iggyskier]

It's tweaked.

[N1CK.]

It's tweaked.

well then...

when are you planning to reveal the '19 details again? inquiring minds and all of that ...

[adrenalated]

It's tweaked.

You gave it the manly tail again?

#wishfulthinking

[thebrucemac]

wrinkle!

W98 --> W96? same specs aside otherwise or is it tweaked too?

[iggyskier]

well then...

when are you planning to reveal the '19 details again? inquiring minds and all of that ...

Sometime in March.

You gave it the manly tail again?

#wishfulthinking

Naw, we love the new rocker profile. But we did stiffen the forebody and tail a bit.

wrinkle!

W98 --> W96? same specs aside otherwise or is it tweaked too?

Tweaked.

[adrenalated]

Naw, we love the new rocker profile. But we did stiffen the forebody and tail a bit.

Damn jib kids. Get off my lawn.

[thebrucemac]

Hey Iggy, when's the absolute soonest guestimate one would be able to get their hands on the 18/19 Wrens?

[N1CK.]

You gave it the manly tail again?

#wishfulthinking

You have a W112, correct? Is that tail totally flat?

[Banh Mi]

My 191 wrens are probably the most “locked in” skis I have. They feel like they have a 40m radius. I can manhandle them a bit if I need too, but a full day of bumps and/or uneven cruddy terrain is pretty tiring on them.

I like the look of the newer wren 108 rocker profile. If they get stiffened up even the slightest for next season, I would probably just go stock instead of customizing them.


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[TahoeJ]

Just curious why you think a wider ski than the W108 is needed/wanted in a quiver?

I don't necessarily. Hell, I just sold my BG's since I've been using my W108's all the time anyway. Having said that, when there are those special deep days I can see wanting something with a little more float. Like 120mm +

Big difference between need and want, of course.

[kid-kapow]

not knowing the conditions in N VT at all, i would still advocate a wren108 as a fantastic daily driver/quiver of one. If i needed to pick just one ski in my current quiver, that would be it. They are just so predictable and charge so well regardless of snow conditions. The eagle ain't half bad either.

I am starting to like the BGs quite a bit too (sorry, i promise i won't bore you with do a day by day comment on my progress on them as our relationship develop). They performed admirably today and i really like how they pick up speed i soft snow - regardless of if it is beat to hell or not, but i tried a few things i did on the bmt122s the other day - mainly a very loaded tail slarve / spray turn, and the BGs were like "we'd rather just go straigt thank you very much" with me doing some on snow limbo all of a sudden I obviously need to drink some more big boii coolade and grow some more power Fun stuff. My hawx/protour combo ain't thanking me though, with especially the liner getting a beating. Might get some slightly burlier boots for next season - aka ranger free (i really like fischers boots) - or just fit the protongues i have lying around.

if the wrens are stiffer next year than i must admit to being happy i bought the current model year - they are pretty freaking fantastic as is for me Perhaps after learning how to ride like proper grown ups do with powerful legs will have me reconsider in the future

any news on 18/19 kartels? The info so far is 88/98 - who knows - but a 96 sure is acoming, wren108 tweaked, wren114 on the way, bg - who knows, new BG'esque C&D coming, leaving a gaping hole on the kartel and jessie series

[adrenalated]

You have a W112, correct? Is that tail totally flat?

Yeah, I have W112s. The tail is not totally flat. It's about half the rocker length and half the height of the current tail profile. It's enough to allow you to break the tail loose, but has much more pop out of turns than the current profile and is more locked into turns. That said, the current profile pivots easier, and doesn't kick the shit out of you if you get in the backseat.

For the record I'm just giving iggy shit, the current profile is better for 99% of skiers out there.

[auvgeek]

the current profile is better for 99% of skiers out there.

So you're one of those 1%ers I keep reading about

[Doremite]

A couple of weeks back I came over a roller a bit too hot, went slightly airborne and had a single tail off balance landing that I cleanly skied out of vs. a downhill racer-esque high speed yard sale. 16/17 w98 stock tail saved me. Felt a lot stiffer in this instance than I notice when not flailing. Instantly thought “oh they are stiff.”

[uglymoney]

A couple of weeks back I came over a roller a bit too hot, went slightly airborne and had a single tail off balance landing that I cleanly skied out of vs. a downhill racer-esque high speed yard sale. 16/17 w98 stock tail saved me. Felt a lot stiffer in this instance than I notice when not flailing. Instantly thought “oh they are stiff.”

Yeah. I think the Wren in 98 is burly as hell and plenty stiff and I weigh 200 lbs.

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[crank54]

I don't necessarily. Hell, I just sold my BG's since I've been using my W108's all the time anyway. Having said that, when there are those special deep days I can see wanting something with a little more float. Like 120mm +

Big difference between need and want, of course.

That's fair. In my mind, I'm still toying with the idea of another ~120mm ski for epic days (my Bent Chetlers are relegated to pow touring now as they are too flippy/spinny for my tastes inbounds), but in reality I really like the W108 on a typical storm/pow day and especially for the 2nd half of the day once everything's a bit more tracked out. I guess if you are skiing many runs a day down 2-3ft untracked runs (lucky you), a wider ski makes more sense.


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[mattig]

Wow, I must have had a soft pair of W98's. I can't imagine anyone over 200lbs thinking they're "burly as hell."

They were first year Prototypes. Can Scott comment as to whether any of the prototypes were softer than the numbered production run?

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[TahoeJ]

Wow, I must have had a soft pair of W98's. I can't imagine anyone over 200lbs thinking they're "burly as hell."

They were first year Prototypes. Can Scott comment as to whether any of the prototypes were softer than the numbered production run?

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I have stock from last year and I agree. Nice and solid but not burly as hell. I’m 175 pounds.

[undertow2]

I have stock from last year and I agree. Nice and solid but not burly as hell. I’m 175 pounds.

3rd'd... It is no weakling and I love the shit out of it, but it is no crusher... The 108 is def a couple of notches above it when it comes to the burly factor and def has a stronger tail, but the 98 is a great all arounder...

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