Trucks.

[skaredshtles]

Anybody have a good broker in CO?

We've used AutoTrek for a couple of purchases over the last 20 years. Haven't specifically used the broker service, but I'd at least check with them - they've been good to work with.

[TAFKALVS]

Car realtors?

I wonder how many realtors are going to become used car salesman… although I think most probably aren’t motivated or talented enough to hack it at that job.

[evasive_MT]

Most brokers claim, I think, not to charge anything, they get their cut on the other side.

That’s how it worked when we did it. We paid what we said we wanted to and the broker negotiated their margin with the seller.

[This End Up]

$113k for a Tundra.


Nope.

[XXX-er]

Is it just me or does that color look like the inside of a hospital corridor ?

All those full load PU's are up there but a pretty nice double cab without hybrid is more like 62K

[summit]

Power Wagon ('19+) vs Tundra Dbl Cab ('18-21) high trim (not SR/SR5) with $7-8K for upgrades

Use Case: daily mountain winter driver, overlander (good 4WD + pop-topper), road tripper

Must have features driving the above trim/year choices are adaptive cruise and dual zone climate. They do make the market so limited I'll have to fly and retrieve, or ship.

Anyhow, I wanted the Tundra because all that power and space in a half ton with only a 44' turning. The Power Wagon was $8k+ more, heavier, and 48.2' turning despite only being 10" longer. But then I kept thinking: that Tundra doesn't even have a rear locker, needs a lift just for 33s, has no or little armor, no winch, no sway bar disconnect... so I'm going have to add a bunch of stuff, is the Tundra really cheaper?

Thoughts?

[heckacali]

It's not often you see somebody trying to cross shop a Ram and Toyota

[Foggy_Goggles]

I've got friends with Power Wagons. They are big trucks. Its a lifted 3/4 ton gasser. They are nice for what we are talking about. They've been reliable but I'm not sure not stoked I'd be about running a newish Ram past $150k.

I've got friends with Tundras. They are kinda sorta a half ton. Nobody buys them twice for towing, hauling and so on. Many of the homies have gone back to an F150 for the Cowboy Cadillac Grocery Getter.

So yeah. Modern trucks are sweet and expensive. Those two seem pretty dissimilar and your required features are unique. Fan Boys gonna Fan Boy so I'm not gonna speak to that. But is a 3/4 ton gas is an option, does a Ford 7.3 fit the bill?

[summit]

I've heard the latest gen Rams are extremely reliable, at least mechanically. I do love Toyota but am irritated at just how much $ I have to throw at a Toyota to get some basic creature comforts that my 12 year old Subaru has... or the Tundra simply doesn't offer some basic OR features like a rear locker. The PW has insane creature comforts and OR features for a price that competes with what Toyota is offering, but its bigger than what I want.

I'm looking at pricetags in low 40k to get a used truck with what I want or fixed up to the level I want... which blows my mind as that's twice as much as I've ever paid for a vehicle. And the turning radius of newer trucks is flippin insane. Pretty much everything is 48-52ft, even tacos.

I in no way need a HD... and I'm not planning on doing heavy towing... the Power Wagon actually has a downrated load capacity for a HD because it has so much 4wd equip and a soft tuned suspension so the payload is only 1650#. At the same time a mid size truck doesn't seem have the payload capacity for 4 people + gear + offroad stuff + 500# pop topper and accessories. It blows my mind to see a 6' dual cab Taco trd and the payload is 1100# from the factory. 4 dudes, bikes, bike rack, and some gear and you are maxed out before you even throw on an OR bumper and a pop topper. Even a 4Runner has 1500#+.

Part of me wants to just get another 4runner, but sleeping in the back of those is a pain for 1 person with gear, and a no go for 2+dog, and a RTT is a no go for winter whereas I can insulate a topper.

[Foggy_Goggles]

Right, but look objectively at your "needs" and that you apparently are willing to fork about $40K for it used and out of warranty. So who's insane? Your money, your choices. I just cracks me up that this is what Mountainy AF(tm) people do now.

Creature comforts
Very offroad capable
Can haul a GFC or equivelant
Dual climate control in a pickup cab?
Adaptive cruise?
Turning Radius requirements on a truck

What am I missing? And you said Overlanding. That should be 3 dick punches right there.

[easyrdr]

If you have owned a truck and expect to do truck stuff Tundra ain't for you. I have had chevy's most my life, the company work trucks were all F150's and F250's. Looking for something different I bought a new 2018 Tundra. Ran it for a few years and now back to chevy. The tundra couldn't haul a load, simply putting an ARE topper on the bed caused the bed to sag. Towing it did okay power wise but again the rear was maxed out. If you are going that route upgrading the rear springs/adding airbags would be a must just to be able to do basic truck stuff. I sold it because it just got annoying every time I needed to use it as a truck it fell short compared to my chevy's and fords. I can't remember what thread, shit it might be this one that I posted pictures of my tundra with a load of sand in the bed for building my kids sandbox. It was a stupid small amount of sand.....maybe 1000lbs and the truck looked like I was carrying 10,000lbs. I'll see if I can dig it up.

[easyrdr]

Found it.

[Name Redacted]

Analysis paralysis will come when you try to get everything possible then focus on the few things you can't have as if they are deal breakers.

Payload is not that important in your case IMHO. Do you really drive around with 4 ppl and bikes that much? Being over payload for a trip to shuttle something isn't that big of a deal. You could beef up the brakes and suspension if it is. Just add some airbags even and adjust your driving. If you are gonna put a FWC on it, a Tundra will be fine.

RAM PW- gas mileage sucks, even worse that the Tundra. Paying for payload you don't need. Reliability sucks, resale value sucks. I sure as hell wouldn't buy Ram PW just for the creature comforts. Those will go bad if the mechanical stuff doesn't go bad first. If not, the gas mileage will suck you dry.

Turning radius? It is what it is. It is a full sized truck, get used to it. Park further out at City Market and get some steps in

How heavy of off roading are you thinking of doing really? Be honest with yourself about this. In a full size vehicle you are already limited. Putting a camper on it? Another limitation. However, a slightly lifted Tundra will go a lot of places in the mountain west that won't require a winch, bumpers, rock sliders, and all that crap.

Why not just a used Sequoia? If the 4runner is too small. If I didn't already have a camper on my Tundra I would use my Sequoia for all the things you listed. Take the seats out and there's a ton of room for winter camping in the cab. RTT for summer maybe, just so you don't have to move gear around. Add whatever GOTOS accoutrements you would like.

[Foggy_Goggles]

Ha...I'm sure everyone's seen that in real life. Whether they pay attention depends on if they Fan Boi.

I mean, I'm sure they were a handfull of Tacos and Tundys pull NOBOs or GFCs and wakeboat on the side of Floyd Hill Friday afternoon. And the overloaded beds can be seen at most HD's. Just took for the guy with curated hipster contractor get up.

[Foggy_Goggles]

https://denver.craigslist.org/ctd/d/...775344136.html

https://denver.craigslist.org/ctd/d/...775196325.html

If I had baller truck money and I wanted a baller truck. I'd get a 3/4 ton Tremor and buy the extended warranty.

[cat in january]

Here in the northeast Ram trucks seem to rust the worst

[Name Redacted]

Buying a 3/4 as a daily driver when you don't need to use it for work, or tow with it, and buying it because it offers some bells and whistles that the Tundra doesn't, is flawed logic. Really, buying a 3/4 ton for any of those reasons alone is just not great. Can't believe I am saying this, but why aren't you looking at the Ram 1500 and beef it up?

[climberevan]

you said Overlanding. That should be 3 dick punches right there.

+1

[The Reverend Floater]

Analysis paralysis will come when you try to get everything possible then focus on the few things you can't have as if they are deal breakers.

Payload is not that important in your case IMHO. Do you really drive around with 4 ppl and bikes that much? Being over payload for a trip to shuttle something isn't that big of a deal. You could beef up the brakes and suspension if it is. Just add some airbags even and adjust your driving. If you are gonna put a FWC on it, a Tundra will be fine.

RAM PW- gas mileage sucks, even worse that the Tundra. Paying for payload you don't need. Reliability sucks, resale value sucks. I sure as hell wouldn't buy Ram PW just for the creature comforts. Those will go bad if the mechanical stuff doesn't go bad first. If not, the gas mileage will suck you dry.

Turning radius? It is what it is. It is a full sized truck, get used to it. Park further out at City Market and get some steps in

How heavy of off roading are you thinking of doing really? Be honest with yourself about this. In a full size vehicle you are already limited. Putting a camper on it? Another limitation. However, a slightly lifted Tundra will go a lot of places in the mountain west that won't require a winch, bumpers, rock sliders, and all that crap.

Why not just a used Sequoia? If the 4runner is too small. If I didn't already have a camper on my Tundra I would use my Sequoia for all the things you listed. Take the seats out and there's a ton of room for winter camping in the cab. RTT for summer maybe, just so you don't have to move gear around. Add whatever GOTOS accoutrements you would like.

Nailed all of it.

The problem with the Ram is that...it's a Ram. And the Tundra shortcomings aren't going to change that.

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[Foggy_Goggles]

Well the saying used to be "What's wrong with Cummins?" "It's surrounded by Dodge".

It's just consumerism and where us late stage dusty balls used to be ski bum fucks are at.

An 89 Civic Si and a 2500 Suburban big block is still a great quiver. But times change, live move and we all spend our money how we want.

[Name Redacted]

For reference, this is our Tundra w/ 1200 lb camper (dry and empty which this isn't), two bikes extended out, wife in the camper, and a 90 lb dog. Lots of gear up front too. Suspension obviously not stock, but this is before I added a new leaf pack w/ extra spring, and the airbags weren't holding air at this point. Replaced the airbags, added cradles, and added a leaf, upgraded the brakes. Now it rides and carries weight a lot better. I even added a front hitch to carry my dirt bike. Driven it all over CO and UT like this, on some pretty bumpy/rutted roads.

Only time I got stuck (so far) was in the Grand Targhee parking lot because they didn't mark where the pavement ended and I drove right into being high centered in deep plowed snow. So totally their fault and they towed me out with a bobcat.

[Foggy_Goggles]

Nice whip. Does it have adaptive cruise and dual zone climate control? If I was in the market for a Recreational Vehicle, I'd be looking at something like that.

[Name Redacted]

It is a 2009. 150k miles. I think it actually does have dual climate control zones. No adaptive CC or anything and the stereo sucks (6 disc changer though!). It was $15k used + upgrades so more like $18k. 11.5mpg when loaded.

Took the back seats out and use some storage bins, then the dog hangs out on top of those in his bed. He freakin loves it because he can see out easily.

[summit]

Tremor is 5.5' bed.

Used 2020 Sequoia TRD with 65k is going to be over $50k with plastic bumpers and no rear locker. Or I can get a 2020 PW with 40k for $45k.

Ram 1500s do not have the greatest clearance, 8.7, so a 2019 1500 king cab laramie 5.7 with the safety package is gonna need a lift, bumper, and rear diff to be what I want, and then why am I not just getting a Tundra and doing those mods?

[summit]

Right, but look objectively at your "needs" and that you apparently are willing to fork about $40K for it used and out of warranty. So who's insane? Your money, your choices. I just cracks me up that this is what Mountainy AF(tm) people do now.

Creature comforts
Very offroad capable
Can haul a GFC or equivelant
Dual climate control in a pickup cab?
Adaptive cruise?
Turning Radius requirements on a truck

What am I missing? And you said Overlanding. That should be 3 dick punches right there.

I wanna have a decent offroader than can get to hard-to-reach campsites and trailheads with the ability to not get fucked up and self rescue, and is a good camping vehicle. That's my very limited understanding of the "overlander" term which I only recently have become aware of, and have inferred from your post is a dork term? Seems you need something to distinguish my use case vs base level truck camper vs rock crawler doing hells revenge and rubicon, but I shall commence with the punches in penance.

As far as the other things, well, I thought a new Tundra with a 50ft turn felt like a land yacht, like I was driving an ambulance again. Versus the older Tundra with a 44ft felt very manageable. T4R and Outback have 37' turns. Going to 118% felt way more reasonable than 134%.

When I say creature comfort, I just mean 8 hour roadtrips with a gal who would like heat at full blast when I want max A/C, the dual zone ac makes that better