Trucks.

**bodywhomper** · 09-10-2017, 02:57 PM

Not been paying too much attention to it all, but I hadn't realized until yesterday that the double cab taco had such a long wheelbase. Parked next to one in my 100-series land cruiser yesterday. Maybe 1-2 feet longer wheebase. And maybe 2 feet longer overall (longer bed option?). Surprised...

**lifelinksplit** · 09-10-2017, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by bodywhomper

Not been paying too much attention to it all, but I hadn't realized until yesterday that the double cab taco had such a long wheelbase. Parked next to one in my 100-series land cruiser yesterday. Maybe 1-2 feet longer wheebase. And maybe 2 feet longer overall (longer bed option?). Surprised...

They are same size as tundra and half usable space. And twice the price but, but, but rooftop tent and street cred!(I'm overlanding bro!)

**bodywhomper** · 09-10-2017, 04:19 PM

Ha!

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**XXX-er** · 09-10-2017, 05:30 PM

My old roomy had early gen tundra, double cab taco and double
Cab tundra he drove them for field work he had employees drive them , buddy said the milage was not that much different especialy with the 4.6, he got rid of the others and kept the latest tundra

I been driving them all on ski, raft, kayak, fishing shuttles, i do like the taco but at this point I like the tundra more

**Name Redacted** · 09-10-2017, 08:35 PM

Recently bought a 2013 F150 XLT V8 with extended cab, 6.5' bed. Bought it as an upgrade from a 1998 Tacoma.
Wish I had kept the Taco for a daily driver honestly. It was a damn good truck.

The Ford is nice to have a ton of room, and the new technology like bluetooth stereo is pretty sweet. The gas mileage is total shit. Tough getting used to the full size. I also really miss having a manual. Damn thing won't slow down on hills even in 2nd gear.

To be honest, I'll probably be back in a Tacoma in a few years.

**BmillsSkier** · 09-10-2017, 08:44 PM

Judging by my scientific sampling of the Whole Foods parking lot, the quad cab Tundra is a rapidly growing alternative to the Yukon for the well-kept tennis moms in my area.

Until the M1-A1 tank becomes street-legal I'm guessing.

**mcsquared** · 09-11-2017, 08:14 AM

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**jackattack** · 09-11-2017, 09:50 AM

Post a price or GTFO!

Nice truck.

**Name Redacted** · 09-11-2017, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by BmillsSkier

Judging by my scientific sampling of the Whole Foods parking lot, the quad cab Tundra is a rapidly growing alternative to the Yukon for the well-kept tennis moms in my area.

Until the M1-A1 tank becomes street-legal I'm guessing.

I don't get any of the quad cab short beds. WTF do you do with a short bed? Can't fit skis, can't sleep in it, can't fit shit. Just get a SUV.

**XXX-er** · 09-11-2017, 10:31 AM

thats cuz no body is really hauling very much so how much room do you need to go to costco?

even my lowly ranger has 6 ft and I can fit even fit the 223's inside the canopy diagonally

Seems the taco's with manual transmission only come with a very short box, something to do with length of trans??

**Conundrum** · 09-11-2017, 10:39 AM

My '13 F150 got rear ended a couple weeks ago so I shopped around thinking a new pickup might be nice. Here's what I found:

Dodges-didn't look at them because I don't want a Dodge. From what I hear, cheaper than anything else out there. My buddy bought one last year and has had a lot of trouble covered under warranty.

Chevys-seemed nice. Rode nice. Higher priced than Ford and Toyota. MPG was on par with Ford. I've always been a Toyota or Ford guy so moved on.

'17 F150s are being discounted heavily so the '18s can show up. New trucks are really expensive in general. For the money, Fords destroyed Tundra at almost every level. If I spent about $20-25k over what I could sell mine for, I would gain a better audio package, an updated interior, and 1-2 mpg better. The new 10 spd transmission was cool.
I've got the 3.5 Eco in mine and average 16. On a good day at 65, I have seen 19 but it's rare. No problem towing anything I would tow (up to 6,000 lbs).

Tundras-more low end torque felt because of the transmission and gearing. That's it. I am truly a Toyota guy and went into process thinking I was buying a Tundra. Drove one after driving an F150. Broke my heart to admit if I was buying a new pickup, it wouldn't be a Tundra. The F150 drove better, interior on the F150 was nicer, power seemed better, power/towing specs and mpg were better, had more creature comforts and the backseat on the crew cab was better with a 6.5' bed.

Ultimately, I'm going to get my '13 fixed and drive it another couple years hoping Toyota has some major updates in the next 2-3 years.

**Ted Striker** · 09-11-2017, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by BmillsSkier

Judging by my scientific sampling of the Whole Foods parking lot, the quad cab Tundra is a rapidly growing alternative to the Yukon for the well-kept tennis moms in my area.

My wife's friend just bought one. The kids are riding to middle school in style!

Originally Posted by shredgnar

I don't get any of the quad cab short beds. WTF do you do with a short bed? Can't fit skis, can't sleep in it, can't fit shit. Just get a SUV.

Yeah, this has been my rant for a while now. I suppose driving a 'truck' to one's cube job, wearing costco brand chinos, and a logoed golf shirt buys a guy some water cooler cred.

There is one legit use for such a ridiculously configured truck: towing a big ass trailer / 5th wheel.

**Conundrum** · 09-11-2017, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by pisteoff

My wife's friend just bought one. The kids are riding to middle school in style!

Yeah, this has been my rant for a while now. I suppose driving a 'truck' to one's cube job, wearing costco brand chinos, and a logoed golf shirt buys a guy some water cooler cred.

There is one legit use for such a ridiculously configured truck: towing a big ass trailer / 5th wheel.

Short bed pickups are only slightly better than Chevy Avalanches for street cred. But hey, dude drives a pickup, he must be tough and outdoorsy...

**Supermoon** · 09-11-2017, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by pisteoff

My wife's friend just bought one. The kids are riding to middle school in style!

Yeah, this has been my rant for a while now. I suppose driving a 'truck' to one's cube job, wearing costco brand chinos, and a logoed golf shirt buys a guy some water cooler cred.

There is one legit use for such a ridiculously configured truck: towing a big ass trailer / 5th wheel.

We got a Crew Cab short bed Tundra. Most of what we do with it doesn't need the bigger bed. We tow boats, throw bikes and skis in the bed, or take it camping. If I was hauling lumber or building a sleeping deck I might want a longer bed, but I will trade that for more interior room any day for what we use it for.

We thought about going the Sequoia route instead (same frame and engine I believe), but it's nice to have a place to toss stuff you don't want inside the car. Even just tossing the bag of dog shit in the back after a hike is much better than having to put it inside somewhere until you find a trash can.

**Dantheman** · 09-11-2017, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by shredgnar

I don't get any of the quad cab short beds. WTF do you do with a short bed? Can't fit skis, can't sleep in it, can't fit shit. Just get a SUV.

They still work well for tailgate-racking bikes. Do not construe that point to mean that I disagree with your overall opinion.

**zion zig zag** · 09-11-2017, 01:16 PM

I have a crew cab short bed chevy. It seems to haul yard debris, sand, rock, mulch, lathe and plaster and other shit better than an SUV. But I've never owned an SUV so maybe shoveling wet mulch off of the fold down seats isn't that bad? Increasing bed length doesn't do much to increase max payload.

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**Ted Striker** · 09-11-2017, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by Phildo_Baggins

...but it's nice to have a place to toss stuff you don't want inside the car. Even just tossing the bag of dog shit in the back after a hike is much better than having to put it inside somewhere until you find a trash can.

lol... I stand corrected.

**XXX-er** · 09-11-2017, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by Conundrum

Short bed pickups are only slightly better than Chevy Avalanches for street cred. But hey, dude drives a pickup, he must be tough and outdoorsy...

its way cheaper to just grow a beard and buy a plaid shirt

**Supermoon** · 09-11-2017, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by pisteoff

lol... I stand corrected.

Beats having to shove it under the door handles all the time

**Conundrum** · 09-11-2017, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by XXX-er

its way cheaper to just grow a beard and buy a plaid shirt

Indeed. And I meant no offense to those who have short beds and use them for whatever. I don't care what people drive as long as it works for them. I do get a chuckle out of the parking lot at Whole Foods watching the folks that bought their pickup because of an REI ad.

I catch shit from the cowboys at the office that all drive one tons. Self justification hits at all levels including me.

**Swine** · 09-11-2017, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by Conundrum

I've got the 3.5 Eco in mine and average 16. On a good day at 65, I have seen 19 but it's rare. No problem towing anything I would tow (up to 6,000 lbs).

Good christ, it's that bad? Was thinking I might replace the 2005 5.4 when it blows up with a 3.5 Eco. I was hoping it would squeeze better mpg's....

**Conundrum** · 09-11-2017, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by Swine

Good christ, it's that bad? Was thinking I might replace the 2005 5.4 when it blows up with a 3.5 Eco. I was hoping it would squeeze better mpg's....

I'm not the sort of dude that inflates my mpg numbers cause I love my truck. I have a topper, a Decked shelf that always has stuff in it. Best I've ever done was 21 mpg without the topper and decked doing 55 for a few hours. Some guys say they do better, maybe they do... a guy I work with has the new 2.7 with the 10 spd and his overall averaged is 20. But at the same time, I have two buddies with newer Tundras. One says 16 all the time and the other told me 12 in town and 14 on a really good day. Who knows, I'd take 16 in mine over 13 in that Tundra. I'm skeptical of 16 in a 5.7 Tundra but it would be cool.

I think when there's a Tundra with a 6' bed, crew cab and gets over 20 on average, I'm in.

**Swine** · 09-11-2017, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by Conundrum

I'm not the sort of dude that inflates my mpg numbers cause I love my truck. I have a topper, a Decked shelf that always has stuff in it. Best I've ever done was 21 mpg without the topper and decked doing 55 for a few hours. Some guys say they do better, maybe they do... a guy I work with has the new 2.7 with the 10 spd and his overall averaged is 20. But at the same time, I have two buddies with newer Tundras. One says 16 all the time and the other told me 12 in town and 14 on a really good day. Who knows, I'd take 16 in mine over 13 in that Tundra. I'm skeptical of 16 in a 5.7 Tundra but it would be cool.

I think when there's a Tundra with a 6' bed, crew cab and gets over 20 on average, I'm in.

Good to know. Empty I get a little over 17 at reasonable speeds, about 65, going up and down Parleys (well, really just coasting down). Cut that to 15 if I decide 75 - 80 is necessary on the up. It's kind of a dog at elevation and pulling those 3k feet though, I wanted the Eco to get significantly better mileage and power.... Gah. Trucks are so damn expensive. Ms. Swine got a sweet 2004 GX that gets 20 mpg on average (and was a smoking deal, as most old GX's seem to be), and is better off road. If I didn't have to haul wood and other shit.... I might jump ship.