Trucks.

[snowaddict91]

And where’s the hybrid?

In the second paragraph [emoji6]

[alpinevibes]

Discussion should start with these seats that feature adjustable air shocks:

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First question: do they have Kashima coating or at least the option for the Factory Bros???

[J. Barron DeJong]

First question: do they have Kashima coating or at least the option for the Factory Bros???

Not even a piggyback reservoir. Those things are going to overheat trying to stabilize the mass of a typical American truck driver.

[Supermoon]

In the second paragraph [emoji6]

Nobody reads that far!!

[Ted Striker]

2024 Tacoma specs announced.

"...2.4-liter turbocharged four-cylinder.

New to the mid-size, body-on-frame pickup segment is Tacoma’s i-FORCE MAX hybrid powertrain

I might have posted this before, but the speculation from Toyota forums was that the taco and 4R would get the 2.4L matched with an 8 speed auto, so that's no surprise, but the hybrid powertrain from the Tundra is an odd choice. As zzz said, it'll get the same shitty mileage and still be smaller than a full sized truck.

Especially in light of the Highlander 4 cylinder hybrid's 265 hp / 310 lb-ft vs the current taco's 278/265. Seems like an easy way to get better mpg without losing grunt.

[jackattack]

I might have posted this before, but the speculation from Toyota forums was that the taco and 4R would get the 2.4L matched with an 8 speed auto, so that's no surprise, but the hybrid powertrain from the Tundra is an odd choice. As zzz said, it'll get the same shitty mileage and still be smaller than a full sized truck.

Especially in light of the Highlander 4 cylinder hybrid's 265 hp / 310 lb-ft vs the current taco's 278/265. Seems like an easy way to get better mpg without losing grunt.

The blurb states that the new Taco I force max hybrid is the 2.4l turbo paired with an electric motor in the transmission. It’s not the 3.6l in the Tundra.

[Ted Striker]

Supermoon and I are going to form a club...

Although what I said about the Highlander drivetrain is still true. Using the Tundra's additive hybrid system is about improving power and stoplight performance, rather than improving fuel economy.

[jackattack]

Possibly, but it’s probably also about making the mechanical 4x4 work with a hybrid drivetrain at a reasonable price. This is also the way the Ford designed the system in the f150.

[frorider]

Electrification to give low end grunt and moar power overall to a smallish ICE has been a strong trend, probably because the BEV trucks are coming out & are seen (for better or worse) as the longer term solution.

Cheby just announced EPA estimate of 450 mile range for the biggest battery (200 kWh) Silverado.

[simple]

The auto industry better find a way to educate their customers so they don't just look a Mpeegees and price. Like tell them the world is ending and a nice truck is a better investment than a coffin

[benk]

Tacoma sold on Craigslist in 5 days for $17,600 with canopy and snow tires. $8400 less than I paid for it 11 years ago.

CL was much easier than any dealership I’ve ever dealt with.

Going to see how long we make it as a single car family

[The Reverend Floater]

Sadly, all that new tech and STILL NO REAR VENTS!

I'm a hardcore Toyota fanboi but man, they do some stupid shit.

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[Hood26]

Speaking of Fanboi. So I talked to a Ford dealer today and even drove a GMC Ax4. I also drove a new Ram 3500 shortbed because I haven’t ever before.

I haven’t driven anything but Dodge/Ram since some shitty work trucks at the water district in my college summers. My whole life I have had 3.5 rigs and they have all been Mopars.

My Mopar loyalty comes from my grandfather. He always had Dodges because they were cheaper and then came the Cummins and he hauled unknown amount of ton for his feed store. I still have one of his pickups. He took a lot
of shit from his more prosperous family and friends for being the Dodge guy. Even all four of his children gave him shit, two went with Ford, one Chevy, and the other Toyota.

Well the Rams are not the cheapest anymore. In fact for many of the configurations they are the most expensive, so I decided to at least look at the competition. Ford guy said he hasn’t had a Powerstroke on the lot to test drive in years; I refrained from jokes.

Who too is brand loyal and how many of the same make have you had?

Anyone ever change brands?

Anyone never been brand loyal and owned them all?

[Pinned]

I was a Chevy guy, but switched to Ford. I didn't intend to, but after driving one it was an easy choice.

Loved my Silverados, grandfather was a Chevy mechanic when he immigrated to the US - just felt right to drive one. I looked at RAMs and Fords before buying my first truck but the local Chevy dealer at the time was so pleasant to work with - I felt good about buying from them. I can't say that about many other car dealers.

But anyways, I ended up renting a truck for a few months after getting rid of my Silverado. An F150 Ecoboost - it was awesome. I swapped it out for a few different trucks along the way as I figured it made sense to try a bunch. Enterprise rented me a handful of different trucks in both half ton and 3/4 ton trims.

My opinion is that if you are buying a work truck trim in any of these, just get the best deal. They're all equivalent and I wouldn't pay more for one than another. In higher trims, like mid-level and up, the RAMs have excellent ergonomics and a good ride quality but also felt the most likely to break - more rattles, worse fuel economy, less refined, cheaper materials.

The Chevys always felt dated compared to the other two. They may actually be the most reliable but unless they were significantly less expensive I think I'd pony up for the Ford. The Chevy is slightly smaller than both the RAM and Ford trucks if I remember correctly, which isn't a bad thing given how big trucks have gotten.

The Fords are the most solid, best fuel economy, best fit and finish. They are the most expensive and have the fewest discounts available though. They also still have a shifter that takes up a ton of room on the center console of the half tons for absolutely no reason - but otherwise it's an excellent truck. I've been driving F150s for the last few years and really like them. The F250/350s are also super nice but they're bigger than I need.

If you're gonna buy a new truck, probably worth a little bit of money to do a month long lease and see about trying a few different trucks for a week each.

[The Reverend Floater]

I'm a fan of Fords and Toyotas and have owned several of both with next to no serious problems with either. Our 2005 Chevy plow truck has been great but I don't like the way Chevys drive so I wouldn't consider one as my DD. I've seen waaaay too many Dodges fail over the years--trannies, lots of axles and even brakes, though I respect the old Cummins diesels.

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[teleee]

Having beat way to many Fords to death on construction sites I am leery of them. On the other hand despite popular TGR opinion I am on my 3rd Dodge (RAM), the first 2 went to 200,000 miles with the most expensive item being a water pump. This one is at 89,000 miles and going strong (ANTI-JINX). Not sure what direction I am going when this one hits my limit of 200K


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[easyrdr]

I've been a chevy guy my whole life. I've owned both 1/2 and 3/4 tons. Currently I have a Suburban and 3/4 ton work truck. I also have a tacoma.

I strayed twice on trucks. First was a dodge ram circa Walker Texas Ranger style. Blew the tranny at 60K. Never bought another dodge after that. I bought a Tundra, fun to drive, fun to tow, just couldn't handle work truck shit. Won't be buying another one of those either.

The tacoma while a truck in theory is my daily driver, it's small and easy to get around town. I don't use it for truck stuff, I use it for off road, getting to the hill etc. It was super underpowered so I added the magnuson supercharger, Old Man EMU suspension lift, bigger tires, etc. Even with the add ons I'm still getting 17-18mpgs.

[El Chupacabra]

I've owned my first and only Ford product, a 2022 F350 I ordered. Very poor build quality. I could rant for awhile about a whole bunch of stuff. It was surprisingly quiet, so that was nice. It was otherwise pretty disappointing, and scratches all Ford product off the list for all future vehicles.

I've had a long series of Jeeps, back when I was into offroading, mainly for the solid front axles and 4.0L engine, and the AW4 transmission when available. Outside of those items, they're not known for reliability. Chrysler transmissions are crap, Chrysler electrics aren't exactly stellar either. This, for me, eliminates Dodge. Too bad, as I think they look the nicest inside, and some of them look great outside.

I like GM drivetrain. The LS series engines (and all their derivatives), the transmissions from TH400 to 4L80E onward are generally solid. The current GM fullsize trucks are fucking ugly, and the interiors (up until the very newest revision) look old. GM midsize trucks have always been a little disappointing.

I don't particularly care for any modern diesel engines, 1/2-ton or 3/4 to 1-ton. They're all trouble prone and will be expensive to fix when they break. Not if.

Nobody swaps Ford or Dodge engines or transmissions into other vehicles. GM engines and transmissions get put into all kinds of stuff. That should tell you something.

[Mazderati]

The swap thing was historically driven by cost. Recently, it's also driven by size. The LS is dimensionally smaller than the OHC modular or third-gen hemi motors.

I've owned Toyota, Ford, Dodge, and AMC. Fit and finish on the Toyota is quite a bit better in my experience but the big three offer configurations Toyota doesn't.

[El Chupacabra]

Pre-LS, and even pre-LT (the first LT motors, not the current stuff), you could swap a Chevy 350 or Ford 289s or 302s. It was the same back then too - nobody swapped in Ford motors, or Dodge 318s or 360s.

[Hood26]

I have seen Cummins swapped into everything. Both the 360 and 318 are stellar for dependability but require a lot of coin to make power.

I wish the Ram would go square again. I kind of like how the GMC looks. All three have fucking ugly way to big old man mirrors. The GMC dealer had a brand new Power Stroke with 15k on the clock, claims dude hated it and bought a new GMC.

I don’t like the power band on either of the V8 diesels.

98k on my ‘16 no repairs just maintenance.

No market is more loyal, save maybe Jeeps, than the full size truck market, so just curious is all.

All three have a few bad runs at transmissions.

It’s a pretty safe bet that the next pickup of mine will be a Ram and I will probably wait for the new cab. Maybe 2025?

[Mazderati]

Pre-LS, and even pre-LT (the first LT motors, not the current stuff), you could swap a Chevy 350 or Ford 289s or 302s. It was the same back then too - nobody swapped in Ford motors, or Dodge 318s or 360s.

Right, but I don't think it's any stretch to say the reason was largely cost. GM has always been cheapest hp/$. The other engines could do the same thing, it was just more expensive to get there. Shelby, Sunbeam, De Tomaso weren't technically swaps but they all used Ford engines.

[Meconium]

Wonder if the Toyota Stout will be more of no name Third Generation PU or a RAV4 pick up?

[Hood26]

Wonder if the Toyota Stout will be more of no name Third Generation PU or a RAV4 pick up?

This is a thread for trucks. Start a coupè utility thread.

[Meconium]

3rd gen Toyota was a very good truck