Trucks.

[AdironRider]

My 2018 Tundra with the 5.7 is averaging between 14-15 over hill and dale in northern VT/NH. Towing the boat (5500 lbs wet on a trailer) drops this down to 12.

I was actually doing a bit better (by a whopping 1 mpg) at altitude when I was still out in Jackson. I'm thinking less O2 at altitude meant less air fuel mixture so saved gas. That and some long downhill runs off the pass to juice the numbers. That said, I seem to be at the top end of the spectrum in terms of mileage returns.

[I Skied Bandini Mountain]

That MPG pretty much matches my 2016 TuRD Pro. But I drive like a granny for comparison purposes.

[timackie]

Anyone here have seat time in the new Tundra that can offer real world feedback on how it drives, along with overall quality? Weighing a new one vs. finding a 3-4 year old previous generation, but used prices still seem really high. Lots of chatter about the new one sucking compared to the trusty 5.7 V8, but hard to determine how extensive some of the identified issues are. I like that the latest generation offers the Crewmax/6.5 bed combo.

My brother-in-law has the 2022 Tundra trd pro with the 6 cylinder turbo and battery assist. About 15k miles on it and he loves in. 13-23 mpg and he drives like a bat out of hell. Towing is more like 8-11 mpg with a 7000lb trailer driving flats and mountains. He gets a new Tundra every couple of years and likes the new one the best. Drives nicer and tows much better than the last generation. No maintence issues. I've driven it a bit and it is plush.

I have been in my 2004 Tundra since 2008 and have never considered a new one because wtf can you do with a 5 foot bed. It's news to me that the new generation has a crew cab and 6.5' bed and this changes the calculus for sure. I'll just need to come up with $50k to make up the difference.

[AdironRider]

You can still get a new Tundra with an 8 footer as well. Double cab only.

I dig my long bed at 6'3" I can stretch out with the wife and kiddo in the back while camping. I've got a cap on it and I swear this thing sticks out more than a Ferrari its such a boat. Everyone knows my roll in town at this point.

[Flyoverland Captive]

Can you still get a Tundra in a 4.6L? Better mileage (18-ish) for just a little less power.

[This End Up]

Can you still get a Tundra in a 4.6L? Better mileage (18-ish) for just a little less power.

I think the 4.6 has been gone from the Tundra/Sequoia for a few years. As far as I can tell it is still available in the Lexus GX 460 but I bet that will be gone soon too. The Lexus LX 600 has the same turbo V6 as the the new Tundras. Once the GX is redesigned Toyota will not have V8s in its regular production cars.

Of course when they redesign the GX its means a redesign for the beloved 4Runner and Tacoma isn’t far behind.

[The Reverend Floater]

Two things:

Having owned both, there is a noticable difference between the 4.6 and 5.7.

Second, a friend has the new Sequoia with that hybrid motor and it is rad.

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[Mazderati]

Around town, I see 15-16 with a 4.6 and 12-13 with a 5.7. The 4.6 will show 20-21 on long stretches of interstate. They're both disgustingly inefficient but will be that way for several hundred thousand miles. Hopefully.

[Flyoverland Captive]

My 2011 is at 120k, and gets around 18. 4.6; reliable as hell. I don’t drive it much, it should last awhile. Does what I need it to do.

[Phall]

Me again.
For you experienced truck folks:
2016 F150 with a 2.7 (55k miles), 2016 GMC Sierra with a 5.3 (56k miles), 2016 F150 5.0 (77k miles) all are around the same price, within budget, and check the boxes. Leaning towards the 2.7 since I do not tow at all and gas is not the cheapest currently.

[Mazderati]

How long will you own?

[El Chupacabra]

Buy the GMC.

I've owned my first and last Ford product.

[jackattack]

Buy the GMC.

I've owned my first and last Ford product.

whoa whoa whoa need more info

you have the 7.3 gas, correct?

[Phall]

I buy used high mileage trucks and drive them for at least 10 years. I'm aiming to get 10 years minimum out of this truck, 12k miles/year.

[Mazderati]

I'd go 5.3 given the use case and options. If the 5.0 had the same miles it's a toss up. The 2.7 inherently has more to go wrong.

[Name Redacted]

Yeah, I'd go GMC all the way. Too many issues with Fords. Not that GM is perfect but um yeah.

[zlatham]

Buy the GMC.

I've owned my first and last Ford product.

Same here, 18’ 3.5L ecoboost, engine has been torn apart twice, once at 30k, second time at 85k for cam phasers and then timing chain tensioner. Nice truck when it was working, but will be my last ford product. Ill be purchasing a gmc on the next go around.


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[El Chupacabra]

whoa whoa whoa need more info

you have the 7.3 gas, correct?

Not any more. Because our camper situation changed (no more slide in, replaced with a small travel trailer), didn't need the giant truck anymore. A crew cab longbed 4WD F350 is a PITA to drive and park. So, back in the fall, I punched in its info online to solicit dealer trade or purchase offers, and ended up trading it in at the Honda dealer for $4K more than I paid for it (including tax).

That Ford was special ordered, and the most expensive vehicle I have ever bought. It was also the worst built vehicle I have ever owned, and that includes three Jeeps in there. Incredibly sloppy assembly. Also, caution for anyone considering aluminum body Ford trucks - none of the body panels will be straight. They're all a little wavy, some worse than others.

[altacoup]

Seems like you’re getting good advice. The 5.3 GMC is going to be way more reliable than either of those fords. I’ve always thought that gmc ride nicer than ford to. Coworker just got a f250 with 40k on it. Heard him start it up the other day and it sounded horrible. He’s already had 2 f150s die early. If they’re less reliable than a jeep, that says it all

[anotherVTskibum]

I'd go 5.3 given the use case and options. If the 5.0 had the same miles it's a toss up. The 2.7 inherently has more to go wrong.

The 2.7 has one significant part the 5.0 doesn't. Both are friggin complicated pieces of engineering with plenty to go wrong, and both are far more likely than not to go quite a while with normal maintenance.

I'm happy with my 3.5L F-150, so if you care about fuel economy and are willing to drive with a light touch, IMO the 2.7 fits your use case. If a longer track record is more important, go with the 5.3.

[El Chupacabra]

My Ford comments are not directed at experience with reliability, as it was only a year old when I unloaded it, and it had not actually broken down in that time. My comments were directed at the incredibly shoddy build quality - misalignments (the bed was offset from the cab by 3/4"), bad assembly fit inside and out (two of the doors didn't line up with the cab), scrap left under the hood... List went on and on. Even the 4x4 sticker on one side wasn't applied correctly - it had an obvious wrinkle in it.

Just prior to trading it, I had tried scheduling an appointment to fix my long list of bad assembly issues under warranty, and was told that it would be three different visits (three different departments to fix this shit, and the dealer couldn't coordinate it into one visit), with the earliest being 4 months out.

Ford can fuck right off.

[jackattack]

Just prior to trading it, I had tried scheduling an appointment to fix my long list of bad assembly issues under warranty, and was told that it would be three different visits (three different departments to fix this shit, and the dealer couldn't coordinate it into one visit), with the earliest being 4 months out.

Ford can fuck right off.

Body and assembly issues aside, you just described every car dealer.

I had my Tundra in for a service a few weeks ago and asked them to torque the wiper arms because they had frozen and loosened up. They told me I would have to make a separate appt with a mechanic because it was a “mechanical issue.”

[AmmergauerTele]

Have a 2021 Silverado 4wd with the Diesel engine - get about 24 mpg in town. Hit 34 mpg averaging 80 in the western part of Virginia on I-81 in the hills. I was absolutely in awe!

[Yukonrider]

I owned a 2021 F150 Powerboost for exactly 3 months. In that time it went in for 6 warranty issues, and 2 recalls and 1 "we don't know what the issue is (ABS 4x4, traction control etc all went tits up while I was idling in a parking lot), but we turned it off and back on again".

Besides that it had paper wheel well liners (???!!!) and was already more rusted underneath than my 12 year old Toyota.

And on top of all of THAT the transmission and power train seemed to be constantly fighting each other, shifting randomly, erratically, and downshifting so hard once I thought I got rear ended.

Terrible pile of garbage that cost $72k. Feel bad for the guy I sold it to, but SO glad I got out of that pile. My 12 year old Tundra was sitting in the driveway waiting to take me to cash the check from that thing, started right up after 3 months of sitting.

[Mazderati]

The 2.7 has one significant part the 5.0 doesn't.

One is a twin turbo V6. The other is a naturally aspirated V8. They are very different engines. Poll a service bay and see which engine the people working on them want to own 10 years down the road.


GMs aren't infallible with the AFM, oil pressure, and wiring issues. Shit can go sideways on any of them.