Denver's Pit Bull Genocide - WTF Mate?!

[warthog]

Warthog,

Nice Neo... My Mother had two when I was young and I liked them very much... Current type aside, they are a Mastiff I have alot of working experience with and great respect for.

"American Bulldogs are a different case. Almost every pure American Bulldog comes from one of two breeders in the U.S. they are very responsible breeders, and have made sure to breed the right qualities into their dogs."

Not at all true... In fact, the AB is becoming "the next big thing" amoungst many amateur owners and breeders... I have been in the breed for over ten years myself.

In fact, the original lines, let alone current breeders, encompass many, many distinct types. Some examples:

- Johnson
- Old Southern White
- Painter
- Tate
- Osgood
- Margenta
- Hybrid lines
- ...

This is actually one of the breeds with trhe most phenotype variance amounst it, as the dogs are bred for work and not apperance and thus, much variance appears as a result.

Furthermore, the breed is split amoungst multiple avenues, from 150 pound plus oversized English Bulldog look alikes (Modern Johnson dogs.) to 70 pound working catch dogs with good muzzle lenght.

An AB presently living in the house with us, this is "Zero the Hero" at 1 year, ten months. Bred down from Gr. Ch. Bama Boy.

Yeah, I was wrong. I was thinking of the actual breeding of the dogs. Most current ABs can be traced to either the Johnson line or the Scott line, with some cross-breeding done. I know there are other types, but since most come from similar lineage, I would think their temperament is well documented.

My dog was originally bred from the White Terrier(extinct), the Bull Terrier, and french and english bulldogs, I believe. They picked the type of dogs they wanted, and continued to breed them down in size and temperament. They are a true American invention. The originals in the 1800s were 45 lbs, and looked like a small AB.

It would seem to me that the AB has been bred the same way, with careful attention paid to certain traits.

My overall point is, APBTs are getting so cross bred, you can not be sure what you are getting, and that is scary.

[A-wreck]

My buddy used to have a white one just like in Bandogge's first pic.

He had another one where, if you put your fist up like you were fighting a human, it would jump in the air long enough to get two jabs into his chest. The thing could get it's head six feet off the ground. kind of intimidating but very fun. The dog loved it too.

He had this same dog trained to go in his bedroom and get his weed. This huge scary looking dog would prance back into the room with a baggie of weed in it's mouth that he had hardly even slobbered on. So gentle. Pit's rule

[A-wreck]

Bandogge-----

How did you happen upon this thread. Do you lurk here? And more importantly, Do you sell pits? Or know where to get a nice one?

I'm thinking of moving to Denver.

[DougW]

ScottW,

I fully agree with your statement, lest:

"the cruel training that goes along with it."

Cruel training, along the lines of baiting with unwilling non-fighting dogs and kittens, is an absolute fabrication.

I could be subject to the 60 minutes point of view here and that most involved in the sport do not engage in "cruel" training. Also defining cruel is hard. So its a urban myth about kittens? I guess if one guy did it that shouldn't tar the whole sport. But is it legal? I was under impression that was not.

[Below Zero]

Bandogge-----

How did you happen upon this thread. Do you lurk here? And more importantly, Do you sell pits? Or know where to get a nice one?

I'm thinking of moving to Denver.

You break the law hear in Denver, they just shoot you. Actually, even if you aren't breaking the law hear in Denver, they still shoot you. I wouldn't advise breaking the law!

[Bandogge]

Warthog,

In fact, the same stock responsible for the APBT foundation, which you allude to; (Extinct) White english Terriers, (extinct) English Bulldog, and other Terriers (The French Bulldog is a relatively recent breed and did not exist at the time the APBT foundation was being built.) is responsible for the Boston Terrier.

When the half and half (Early crosses resulting) were bred, they were spilt between two distinct types; One, bred for performance, gave rise to the APBT.

The "round headed" (As then described) phenotype, which was a Bullier-looking dog, and did not perform as well, was bred for apperance and eventually, with no other blood components, became the Boston Terrier.

I can give you multiple references to this material should you wish.

[lemon boy]

now now boys. 60 minutes must be damned effective. Everyone knows that it isn't fighting dogs that get baited with kittens and unwilling non-fight dogs. They only do that with fighting cocks

[Bandogge]

A Wreck,

"Do you sell pits?"

I have never sold a dog in my life, although I have bred for over ten years.
Perhaps this should help you realize there is no financial motive behind my position.

I do not recommend breeders to people I do not know... No offense, but most people out there do not deserve to own a dog like a APBT.

[Bandogge]

DougW,

"Is it an urban myth about kittens"

In all my years in dogs, I have never heard of any other animal beside another APBT used to school a match dog. In fact, the first I heard about this was an article published some time ago by PETA and the HSUS... Groups well known for spinning tales to further their own agendas.

Matching dogs is presently illegal in all States and in Canada, but this was not the case just some years ago.

[A-wreck]

You break the law hear in Denver, they just shoot you. Actually, even if you aren't breaking the law hear in Denver, they still shoot you. I wouldn't advise breaking the law!

mmmmmmkkkayyyyyyy. Thats still a better deal than you get in Detroit.

[Below Zero]

Just saw this on denverpost.com

Could this dog turn vicious?

800,000 people each year need medical care from dog bites. Learn to respect Fido's nature and keep your family safe

By Dana Coffield
Denver Post Staff Writer


http://www.denverpost.com/lifestyles/ci_2728101

[warthog]

Warthog,

In fact, the same stock responsible for the APBT foundation, which you allude to; (Extinct) White english Terriers, (extinct) English Bulldog, and other Terriers (The French Bulldog is a relatively recent breed and did not exist at the time the APBT foundation was being built.) is responsible for the Boston Terrier.

When the half and half (Early crosses resulting) were bred, they were spilt between two distinct types; One, bred for performance, gave rise to the APBT.

The "round headed" (As then described) phenotype, which was a Bullier-looking dog, and did not perform as well, was bred for apperance and eventually, with no other blood components, became the Boston Terrier.

I can give you multiple references to this material should you wish.

I knew they were closely related, you can see the resemblance. I did not realize it was that close. I wasn't sure about the French Bulldog. What about the Bull Terriers? It was my understanding that this is where the jaw strength comes from.

My dog has a serious grip. I can get him to grab onto a towel or rope, and swing him around my body. If he happens to let go, the second he hits the ground- he is back up in the air grabbing the rope. The tenacity was not bred out of him. Here is a re-run photo to show his determination with a frisbee:

[Bandogge]

Warthog,

I've always liked Bostons... Think they're very cool little dogs.

If you are alluding to the EBT, no, the breed was not added to the original Bull and Terrier stock. In fact, James Hinks, the creator of the EBT, bred the "old style" SBT back to the White English Terrier, and added other breeds, to create the EBT.

Any mouth strenght still evident in the Boston would likely have come from the original, extinct English Bulldog, which was much more akin to the modern APBT than the modern show bred English Bulldog.

[runethechamp]

One more fucked up pitbull story from today:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...Adogmaul03.DTL

San Francisco boy mauled to death by pit bulls
Jaxon Van Derbeken and Steve Rubenstein, Chronicle Staff Writers

Friday, June 3, 2005

8:58 p.m. -- A 12-year-old boy was mauled to death by his family's two pit bulls this afternoon in his apartment in San Francisco's Inner Sunset District as his mother screamed helplessly.

The boy, identified by school district officials as Nicholas Scott Faibish, was in his apartment at 711 Lincoln Way when the 80-pound dogs - a male named Rex and a female named Ella - attacked him at about 3:15 p.m., authorities said.

"Get them out of here!'' the boy's mother screamed, according to a neighbor in the building who heard the attack and saw the woman moments later, covered with blood.

A police officer shot and killed one of the dogs, believed to be Ella, when the dog prevented him from entering the apartment, a police spokesman said. The other dog was captured inside the apartment and was being held by animal control officers.

Paramedics tried and failed to resuscitate the boy.

Shocked neighbors said the dogs were normally friendly, affectionate and well-behaved.

"The dogs were sweethearts,'' said Art Austin, who has lived in the building for five years. "I never thought they were vicious. They were really nice. I would pet them and my wife would kiss them on the forehead.''

He described the children as "very nice kids. They liked to play outside with the dogs."

Austin said he saw the first officer on the scene shoot one of the dogs.

"I saw the policeman trying to get in the door,'' Austin said. "The dog wouldn't let him past. He had to shoot it.''

Police Chief Heather Fong and Fire Chief Joanne Hayes-White were at the scene.

"It's a very tragic situation,'' Fong said. "The city family offers its deepest sympathy and condolences.''

There was no immediate explanation for what triggered the dogs' attack.

Austin's wife, Donna Castelli, said she saw the boy's mother moments after the tragedy.

"She was hysterical, she was screaming, she was yelling,'' Castelli said.

Castelli said the two dogs would run around the back yard of the apartment building but were always on a leash when in public.

"I'd kiss them on the forehead,'' Castelli said. "They were lovely dogs.''

But 13-year-old neighbor Aaron Vinnik said he saw the dogs regularly and that they were not always well-behaved.

"The dogs barked at us and one of them, the white and brown one, he came (at) us," Aaron said.

He said the dogs were "sometimes nice, sometimes mean.''

"And sometimes I was scared, but it wasn't that bad,'' Aaron said.

Another neighborhood resident, Marc Culiner, said the dogs "seemed sweet.''

Animal Care and Control officer Vicky Guldbech said one of the two dogs had been impounded at the city animal shelter in the past but that it was a "normal impound" and the dog was not believed to be aggressive. She did not elaborate.

[zion zig zag]

Such sweet, even tempered dogs.

[AlpineZone]

Such sweet, even tempered dogs.

Oh, they're in the news again.
It's that liberal-biased media

[13]

Find the pit bull, smarty-pants'.

http://members.aol.com/radogz/find.html

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

[Core Shot]

Oh, they're in the news again.
It's that liberal-biased media

You gotta be fkn kidding. the mother feared leeaving her dog with her son, so she locks the KID in the basement??? WTF??
Her son is dead cause he wouldn't stay locked in the basement, the dog mauled him to death and she says "it's his time to go"??

this women should be mauled to death. slowly.

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Mother of mauling victim feared family dog
Shut boy in basement while she ran errands
Sunday, June 12, 2005 Posted: 1:56 PM EDT (1756 GMT)

Nicholas Scott Faibish, 12, was mauled to death by his family's two pit bulls Friday.
Police say boy was fatally mauled by pit bull attack at his home.

SAN FRANCISCO, California (AP) -- The mother of a 12-year-old boy killed in his own home by one of the family's two pit bulls says she had been so concerned about one of the dogs that she shut her son in the basement to protect him.
Maureen Faibish said she ordered Nicholas to stay in the basement while she did errands on June 3, the day he was attacked by one or both of the dogs.

She said she was worried about the male dog, Rex, who was acting possessive because the female, Ella, was in heat.

"I put him down there, with a shovel on the door," Faibish said in an interview with the San Francisco Chronicle. "And I told him: 'Stay down there until I come back.' Typical Nicky, he wouldn't listen to me."

Nicholas apparently found a way to open the basement door.

Despite her concerns about Rex that day, Faibish told the newspaper: "My kids got along great with (the dogs). We were never seeing any kind of violent tendencies."

Faibish found her son's body in a bedroom. He was covered in blood from several wounds, including a major head injury.

No charges have been filed.

"It's Nicky's time to go," she said in the interview. "When you're born you're destined to go and this was his time."

Ella was shot to death by a police officer the day of the attack.

Rex was taken to a shelter, but Faibish said she wanted him put down.
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Here's Rex's pic
Don't he look adorably cute with all that 12 year old boys blood on his coat?
Awww, cute lil puppy