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[4matic]

aggregate data vs. a secular cultural critique

Fundamental vs. technical?

[iceman]

Maybe it was all lead poisoning from gas and paint.



The graphs are laid over each other but the timeline is offset. ~20 years. It still makes does sense though if you think about it.

[wyeaster]

state violence is mass police state violence endorsed by the majority. it is also externalized as international warfare in all manifestations. that is violence inflicted on groups by design. the fact that that kind of violence is not registered or acknowledged is a pretty big deal when considering stats. i'm not discounting the stats. i'm saying they do not provide the entire picture

edit:

for instance, the u.s. is not as violent domestically as it was during slavery, assuming you count slavery and all it's parts as violence. but our demonstrated capacity and ongoing utilization of violence -- physical, economic, social, psychological, etc. - as a matter of policy domestically and abroad is infinitely greater.

those stats don't reflect the complete picture of the violent psyche of the american mind and a large part of the problem is that "americans" can't see themselves looking in a mirror. we told ourselves how great we were for too long instead of being honest and compassionate and dealing with horrible horrible injustices because bullshit makes money and we are fundamentally racist.

edit: and because the narrative of soldiers coming back with horrible ptsd or promising student-athletes having their lives ruined by a school shooting doesn't fit with the macho bullshit that is also part of the mythology, people who aren't affected ignore or worse, ridicule and the people who need help not only don't get help they get worse because of their own community. and then they spread it to everyone who loves them and so on. survival is tough but supposedly we evolved past needing so much of the predatory mentality. evolution isn't soft or weak. it's fucking evolution. and the u.s. predatory capitalist survival of the fittest culture, considering the amount of ptsd it inflicts globally, laughs at it and mocks the weak.

[Bromontana]

Fundamental vs. technical?

sector rotation vs sentiment shift?

check out the bullish divergence in crime after cleaning up the lead situation.

[wyeaster]

Fundamental vs. technical?

is one of those like "anybody who doesn't believe pot causes paranoia and anxiety is whack?"

[skifishbum]

great quote. i thought i'd add the rest.

To get high is to forget yourself. And to forget yourself is to see everything else.And to see everything else is to become an understanding molecule in evolution, a conscious tool of the universe. And I think every human being should become a conscious tool of the universe. That's why I think it's important to get high. I'm not talking about being unconscious or zonking out. I'm talking about being fully conscious.

that fonts made my old man stoner eyes squints
them rollin stones media fucks didn't give me the full quote in my loose talk rollin stone quote books
good shitter readin
"people who say the take drugs for mystical or religious experience are full of shit, man. It gets you high. That's its only redeeming feature" - James Taylor

[4matic]

is one of those like "anybody who doesn't believe pot causes paranoia and anxiety is whack?"

You smoke weed. Right? Do I need a larger test group? That would be like a single bar on the daily chart after an IPO.

[4matic]

check out the bullish divergence in crime after cleaning up the lead situation.

Fundamentally, the odds of a return to high lead content is slim, therefore, crime is still overvalued. Crime rate looks like a sell to me.

[wyeaster]

You smoke weed. Right? Do I need a larger test group? That would be like a single bar on the daily chart after an IPO.

you don't seem to grasp that i haven't been paranoid in years and my anxiety is much lower. so again, you are misinterpreting the stats. in this case, your single stat of me, which is not based in reality but your psychology. not my problem. but just so you know. intellectual laziness and lack of motivation isn't just for stoners.

[wyeaster]

that fonts made my old man stoner eyes squints
them rollin stones media fucks didn't give me the full quote in my loose talk rollin stone quote books
good shitter readin
"people who say the take drugs for mystical or religious experience are full of shit, man. It gets you high. That's its only redeeming feature" - James Taylor

sorry, copy and paste. i didn't even notice.

i also thought it was interesting that he was taking about losing the self in a society that has been bred to be utterly self-absorbed with trifles.

[shroom]

this shit is tiiiiight

[wyeaster]

i would also try to bring it back to the divorce thread that our culture is not only psychologically violent but horribly so to children. the shit kids watch and have watched now is insane. i volunteer at my son's preschool once a week and he's the only 5 year old who doesn't have a movie night. beyond that, our dominant culture and mass media does not promote honest and peaceful exploration of personal issues or injuries. it promotes self-loathing, particularly among women. we are being designed not to have real relationships. self-obsession and dehumanization is the way being promoted to deal with the future. compassion is ridiculed as fantasy or weak. i know many people who do not succumb to these things, but for instance, my world as a teen was nothing like what it is for a teen now, specifically regarding violence and attitudes towards women.

and honestly, it if hadn't been for my shooting experience, i doubt i would have ever come to any of these realizations.

the delusion promoted in mass american culture is horribly destructive to peoples' capacity to care for others and be, for instance, in long term relationships. all of these things are going to come unraveled. they could have unraveled in an evolution but it appears inevitable -- considering the dominant attitudes -- that it will unravel in chaos and violence. it already is in places, even in the u.s.

[berko]

In the grand scheme of things, modern first world life is probably much less violent and chaotic than ever before. I wonder if PTSD has always been prevalent (but underreported/undignosed) or has presumption of a safety and stability contributed to the apparent rise of this unfortunate condition?

[berko]

night putting, or just regular?

[Rip'nStick]

I have to agree with almost everything wyeaster is saying, we were born of violent expansion and it has cultural impacts.

USofA geographical placement (large unified fertile landmass bordered by two great oceans, desert, and the Canadians) really helped us be the last man standing after WW1 and WW2, which propelled the US into a boom of prosperity and military dominance like never before. It has always been violence where America makes its great strides. It goes hand in hand with the American way, for better or worst. But it definitely has a cost.

[wyeaster]

In the grand scheme of things, modern first world life is probably much less violent and chaotic than ever before. I wonder if PTSD has always been prevalent (but underreported/undignosed) or has presumption of a safety and stability contributed to the apparent rise of this unfortunate condition?

whatever you call it, it has always existed of course. part of the problem with modern first world life is the volume of it and also the propagation of imagery and dehumanization on a mass level. in 1945 there were 2 something billion people and the vast majority of the people in the u.s. were not exposed to the daily imagery of warfare violence. today there are 7.5 billion people, and immense state on state violence everywhere and comparable imagery easily available and promoted in every facet of mass media in the u.s. all of it justifies and desensitizes people to violence. i understand what you're saying.

[4matic]

i would also try to bring it back to the divorce thread that our culture is not only psychologically violent but horribly so to children. the shit kids watch and have watched now is insane. i volunteer at my son's preschool once a week and he's the only 5 year old who doesn't have a movie night. beyond that, our dominant culture and mass media does not promote honest and peaceful exploration of personal issues or injuries. it promotes self-loathing, particularly among women. we are being designed not to have real relationships. self-obsession and dehumanization is the way being promoted to deal with the future. compassion is ridiculed as fantasy or weak. i know many people who do not succumb to these things, but for instance, my world as a teen was nothing like what it is for a teen now, specifically regarding violence and attitudes towards women.

and honestly, it if hadn't been for my shooting experience, i doubt i would have ever come to any of these realizations.

the delusion promoted in mass american culture is horribly destructive to peoples' capacity to care for others and be, for instance, in long term relationships. all of these things are going to come unraveled. they could have unraveled in an evolution but it appears inevitable -- considering the dominant attitudes -- that it will unravel in chaos and violence. it already is in places, even in the u.s.

My good friend from Portland, Chris Newman:

[berko]

whatever you call it, it has always existed of course. part of the problem with modern first world life is the volume of it and also the propagation of imagery and dehumanization on a mass level. in 1945 there were 2 something billion people and the vast majority of the people in the u.s. were not exposed to the daily imagery of warfare violence. today there are 7.5 billion people, and immense state on state violence everywhere and comparable imagery easily available and promoted in every facet of mass media in the u.s. all of it justifies and desensitizes people to violence. i understand what you're saying.

No, what Im saying is that historically, life was way more brutal than it is now.

[Meadow Skipper]

No, what Im saying is that historically, life was way more brutal than it is now.

Yeah, but if I understand wyeaster's position, viewing brutality is a lot worse than experiencing it. Is that about right?

[wyeaster]

uh, no, meadow skipper. why would i, given my experience, say that? but viewing brutality constantly is essentially programming and that is definitely worse than neither seeing nor experiencing violence. particularly when the violent imagery is encouraged for profit and aligns with state policy. i understand what you're saying berko and in a context i agree.

[BmillsSkier]

night putting, or just regular?

Preferably with the dean's daughter.

[4matic]

uh, no, meadow skipper. why would i, given my experience, say that? but viewing brutality constantly is essentially programming and that is definitely worse than neither seeing nor experiencing violence. particularly when the violent imagery is encouraged for profit and aligns with state policy. i understand what you're saying berko and in a context i agree.

[My Pet Powder Goat]

I keep saying "I like you, Betty" to a chick I've been hanging with. ....I think she hates it.

[BmillsSkier]

I keep saying "I like you, Betty" to a chick I've been hanging with. ....I think she hates it.

Does she do drugs?

[Bromontana]

Fundamentally, the odds of a return to high lead content is slim, therefore, crime is still overvalued. Crime rate looks like a sell to me.

All valid on the surface. On the other hand, lead content and crime could both be dependent variables in the prior cycle, and divergence could persist for some time as a new independent variable drives one or both factors to varying degrees, with inverse correlation being a possible outcome.

I have to agree with almost everything wyeaster is saying, we were born of violent expansion and it has cultural impacts.

agree, it's just not something that lends itself well to simplistic empirical analysis. So there's a convenient and plausible way to evade the gravity of the subject.