Waxless/Fishscale BC skis ?

[RockinB]

Yeah I could just splice it in underfoot at the time of pressing. I would have to figure out some minor details but it would be a fairly easy thing to do. Cutthroats would be ideal. I should build myself a damn pair first just to make sure I like them!

[Norseman]

Yeah I could just splice it in underfoot at the time of pressing. I would have to figure out some minor details but it would be a fairly easy thing to do. Cutthroats would be ideal. I should build myself a damn pair first just to make sure I like them!

Do it!

(Send me a pair of 186cm if you find a blem )

[Quadzilla]

I wasn’t trying to say the Fischers and Voiles were apples to apples, just saying that the Fischer’s might be a better tool for the job in question. I mean are you really going to slide downhill in low angle pow on slopes with the drag of the Voile scales? I remember walking downhill on a packed out fire road and wondering how anyone got enough glide. Maybe I’ll revisit it soon though.

Who would buy a ski setup for its ability to ski on a packed fire road? Have you even tried a Voile fishscale before you start dissing the glide? For me, I have had plenty of Sbound skis in the distant past mainly the Boundless and at that time the skis were head and shoulders above the current scaled skis like a Catamount or a E99. As far as glide, the Voiles glide well enough even simlar to any Sbounds unless you have evidence or testing them to Sbounds. One thing for certain, they glide maybe 30% faster with the same energy than a trad ski with skins. Plus they ski the down in the back country environment about as well as a trad ski. WTBS, I haven't seen, toured with or tried a new Sbound ski.

[~mikey b]

I totally dig my Vector BC with Targa and T3. They do everything I want or need them to do. Kick, climb and glide just fine.

[singlecross]

Mad scientist thinking out loud here but... has anyone taken a short wide alpine ski with camber, cut the base out in a big oval under foot, and laid in a section of old climbing skin with epoxy. Kind of like making your own Altai Hok but with an alpine ski that you like?

[VTskibum]

Mad scientist thinking out loud here but... has anyone taken a short wide alpine ski with camber, cut the base out in a big oval under foot, and laid in a section of old climbing skin with epoxy. Kind of like making your own Altai Hok but with an alpine ski that you like?

No, but now I want to w/ my old Dynastar Big rock skis and throw on a g3 targa binding I have laying around.

[Name Redacted]

Who would buy a ski setup for its ability to ski on a packed fire road? Have you even tried a Voile fishscale before you start dissing the glide? For me, I have had plenty of Sbound skis in the distant past mainly the Boundless and at that time the skis were head and shoulders above the current scaled skis like a Catamount or a E99. As far as glide, the Voiles glide well enough even simlar to any Sbounds unless you have evidence or testing them to Sbounds. One thing for certain, they glide maybe 30% faster with the same energy than a trad ski with skins. Plus they ski the down in the back country environment about as well as a trad ski. WTBS, I haven't seen, toured with or tried a new Sbound ski.

I’ve said a few times in this thread that I have demoed a few Voile fishscale skis and they were miserable on the terrain I was on. Not just fire roads. You obviously have far more experience on them though. Maybe they’ve gotten better since or the tune on the ones I had sucked (as I said before). So go have fun. I’m not here to argue about extreme nordorking with you.

[evasive_MT]

extreme nordorking

https://www.redbull.com/us-en/events/red-bull-nordix

[glademaster]

I’ve said a few times in this thread that I have demoed a few Voile fishscale skis and they were miserable on the terrain I was on. Not just fire roads. You obviously have far more experience on them though. Maybe they’ve gotten better since or the tune on the ones I had sucked (as I said before). So go have fun. I’m not here to argue about extreme nordorking with you.

The only one in this thread talking about "extreme nordorking" is you: you're the one skiing glorified cross country skis with half a binding.

[Name Redacted]

The only one in this thread talking about "extreme nordorking" is you: you're the one skiing glorified cross country skis with half a binding.

Everything in this thread is extreme nordorking.

That half a binding costs 1/5th of what you are paying to lock your heel down for 20 degree turns.

Whatever, it’s all fun. Go do it and report back. I hope it works out for you.

[Quadzilla]

Ha, never heard of "nordorking", TGR is not a hotbed of skiers gushing all over waxless skis, so if anyone is really interested in comparing go to the few other websites like TTips and EYT and get the opinion of skiers using fishscales and in particular Voile fishscales.

Now as far as AT and using fishscales, I decided two years ago to do all my touring on Voile fishscales and to add tech AT to the mix. I did this for a couple of reasons basically because I wanted to try something new and since I was going to spend a lot of time touring bigger mountain and stout terrain I wanted a releasable binding to add to my personal safety. So, I added Tech AT to a pair of Hyper Vector BC's and Charger BC's with Dynafit Speed Radicals and Maestrale boots. Generally, I have found that of course the AT gear is lighter as compared to my Tele setup but both slog along pretty good as compared to skins. I found that AT gear with fishscales still has a big learning curve on rolling terrain so one needs to learn how to ski little DH's with heels free. Plus a lot of small things that need to be learned.

Anyway, go check out other sites for more info.........

[andy m]

The Fischer negative pattern is “cut” into the base, while the Voile (and Madshus) positive pattern is raised from the base. As a result Fischer offers less grip and more glide.

IME, that's not the case anymore. I have fairly old Fischer S-Bounds that have a negative pattern, but my newer S-Bounds have a positive pattern. My fairly new Voile Objective BC skis have a negative pattern.

[chicken feathers]

Anyone have any experience with a Altai Kom? My better half is looking for a fat scale ski for 3 pins. Leaning towards Voile V6 BC. But...Altai's seem like they are worth a look since they are a few hundred $ less.

Main question is how the rocker/ camber profiles compare between the two. Plenty familiar with the V6 BC since I have a pair.

At first glance the KOM looks like a wider Karhu 10th mtn with an old school shape and camber. I sorta like how it has less sidecut than the V6. But I'm not sure that really matters for a ski thats going to be used for slow speed pow turns in simple terrain. After typing all that out I'm still thinking V6 is the way to go.


ETA: She ended up going with Voile.

[andy m]

I have both the Kom and the V6, and I think the Kom is ideal for what you describe: "fat scale ski for 3 pins" and "slow speed pow turns in simple terrain."

It does have sort of an old-school shape and camber, with a turned-up tip like most nordic skis. But it does have a slight amount of tip rocker. Here are photos of the tip and tail profiles:

[chicken feathers]

^ Thanks man, I couldn't find a profile pic anywhere else ^

Actually ended up ordering some V6 BC's...like right before you posted.

Probably couldn't go wrong either way, she just happened to get hooked up w/ a Voile code.

[andy m]

Sorry I didn't post a bit sooner ;-) But, as you would expect, the Voile is the better ski of the two and can more ably handle more challenging conditions.