First confirmed Measles death since 2003

[2FUNKY]

Is this true? Old goat? Mofro?

Why not research it yourself, not that hard.

[2FUNKY]

Dr. Mercola is a well known quack.

http://skepdic.com/mercola.html

So those documented issues didn't happen?? Didn't say I think the guy is awesome, just an interesting article.

[doughboyshredder]

Is this true? Old goat? Mofro?

You're such a fucking idiot. You blame her death on anti vaxxers when truth is you don't have a fucking clue.

[mtngirl79]

Why not research it yourself, not that hard.

Old goat is a medical doctor. Mofro MAKES vaccines and tests them on beagles and stuff. Both are more qualified than I to wade through the bullshit on the internet.

[mtngirl79]

You're such a fucking idiot. You blame her death on anti vaxxers when truth is you don't have a fucking clue.

Your such a fucking idiot, period.

[Game Over]

So those documented issues didn't happen?? Didn't say I think the guy is awesome, just an interesting article.

can you find any mention of the deaths anywhere other than a anti-vaxx website?

[doughboyshredder]

So those documented issues didn't happen?? Didn't say I think the guy is awesome, just an interesting article.

There is a ton of information out there about adverse effects and deaths attributed to vaccines. They are not 100% safe.

This is why it should be up to the parent whether they choose to use any specific vaccine.

Standard procedure now is to vaccinate for hep b.

Why! !!!!!!!!

My wife and I don't have unprotected sex with other people and we don't use drugs. Neither does our baby. Why in the hell should we subject our baby to toxins on tge first day of his life?

Easy answer. They give it to everyone to make sure the few babies that need it get it. No thanks.

[Game Over]

FWIW you can get hep b from sharing a glass or swimming in the ocean

[mtngirl79]

There is a ton of information out there about adverse effects and deaths attributed to vaccines. They are not 100% safe.

This is why it should be up to the parent whether they choose to use any specific vaccine.

Standard procedure now is to vaccinate for hep b.

Why! !!!!!!!!

My wife and I don't have unprotected sex with other people and we don't use drugs. Neither does our baby. Why in the hell should we subject our baby to toxins on tge first day of his life?

Easy answer. They give it to everyone to make sure the few babies that need it get it. No thanks.

When the benefits of the vaccine outweigh the risks of the vaccine, vaccinate.

1 or 2 out of every 1000 kids who get measles die. How many die from the vaccine?

That's why antivaxxers are selfish assholes. They figure most everyone else is vaccinated, let them take the risks to protect my kid.

[doughboyshredder]

When the benefits of the vaccine outweigh the risks of the vaccine, vaccinate.

1 or 2 out of every 1000 kids who get measles die. How many die from the vaccine?

That's why antivaxxers are selfish assholes. They figure most everyone else is vaccinated, let them take the risks to protect my kid.

I don't know why you're so dense.

Anti-vaxxers that refuse any vaccines are just as bad as pro-vaxxers that think everyone should get every vaccine.

It should be up to the parents to decide if the risks of the vaccine outweigh the risks of not getting thew vaccine on a case by case basis.

[doughboyshredder]

FWIW you can get hep b from sharing a glass or swimming in the ocean

Got a source, because that's not true according to the CDC. http://www.cdc.gov/hepatitis/hbv/bfaq.htm

I think you're confusing Hep A with Hep B.

http://www.hepatitiscentral.com/news/is_hepatitis_tr/

[concretejungle]

Wow you people just trust Big Pharma and the government completely 100% there's no way that they would ever choose profit over your health amazing

I think they make more money when you go to the hospital with measles but whatever.

[mtngirl79]

Got a source, because that's not true according to the CDC. http://www.cdc.gov/hepatitis/hbv/bfaq.htm

I think you're confusing Hep A with Hep B.

http://www.hepatitiscentral.com/news/is_hepatitis_tr/

Kids playing sports is a good reason for hep b vaccines. The age they do it at, I'm not a doctor...

[doughboyshredder]

Kids playing sports is a good reason for hep b vaccines. The age they do it at, I'm not a doctor...

Fine. If your kid wants to play team sports then vaccinate.

The reason they do it at birth is to help babies whose moms have hep b or are at risk.

One size fits all.

In asshole goats world I am a child abuser since I opted out for our baby. Even though there is no reason to give him that vaccine on his first day out of the womb.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I don't see any problems with the measles vaccine.

This isn't about one vaccine it's about the rabid-pro vaxxers belief that everyone should take all vaccines that the government tells them and if they don't give those vaccines to their children that their abusers. Its b*******

I thought we were talking about the measles vaccine?

There are vaccines like Hep B, HPV, etc.. that aren't necessary for herd immunity but things like measles and the argument about whether or not all kids should be vaccinated are ridiculous. Unless you plan on isolating your child from society it is the right thing to do. You are reacting like many new parents and while that's understandable is makes you sound hysterical and stupid.

So you opted out of the Hep B vaccine and that's an educated decision, will you vaccinate you kid for MMR, Diptheria, etc?

[Art Shirk]

It should be up to the parents to decide if the risks of the vaccine outweigh the risks of not getting thew vaccine on a case by case basis.

I understand that there is a distinction between anti-vax and not wanting additional government intervention, but you've got a ridiculously uninspired point unless you also disagree with drunk driving laws.

What if 1 percent of the people who were forced to drive sober had adverse effects from their forced sobriety? Would the infringement justify drunks on the road? I mean, the vast majority of drunk drivers don't cause an accident.

You live in a society. Your choice affects my children and mine can affect yours. I understand that responsibility but you feel free to do you and yours dbs.

[doughboyshredder]

I thought we were talking about the measles vaccine?

There are vaccines like Hep B, HPV, etc.. that aren't necessary for herd immunity but things like measles and the argument about whether or not all kids should be vaccinated are ridiculous. Unless you plan on isolating your child from society it is the right thing to do. You are reacting like many new parents and while that's understandable is makes you sound hysterical and stupid.

So you opted out of the Hep B vaccine and that's an educated decision, will you vaccinate you kid for MMR, Diptheria, etc?

We are following an alternate delayed vax schedule.

So far we have given him tdap.

Old goat's statement that I reacted to was not specific to measles vaccine.

[doughboyshredder]

I understand that there is a distinction between anti-vax and not wanting additional government intervention, but you've got a ridiculously uninspired point unless you also disagree with drunk driving laws.

What if 1 percent of the people who were forced to drive sober had adverse effects from their forced sobriety? Would the infringement justify drunks on the road? I mean, the vast majority of drunk drivers don't cause an accident.

You live in a society. Your choice affects my children and mine can affect yours. I understand that responsibility but you feel free to do you and yours dbs.

There's a big difference between requiring a person to not do something and requiring a person to do something.

[PNWbrit]

I understand that there is a distinction between anti-vax and not wanting additional government intervention, but you've got a ridiculously uninspired point unless you also disagree with drunk driving laws.

What if 1 percent of the people who were forced to drive sober had adverse effects from their forced sobriety? Would the infringement justify drunks on the road? I mean, the vast majority of drunk drivers don't cause an accident.

You live in a society. Your choice affects my children and mine can affect yours. I understand that responsibility but you feel free to do you and yours dbs.

I think Dan Samas does DUI cases. DBS will be fine.

[Game Over]

let me blow your mind--> the law requires people TO drive sober.

[doughboyshredder]

let me blow your mind--> the law requires people TO drive sober.

No. It does not. Nobody is required to drive. You have a choice.

[mtngirl79]

The choice should be stay home or vaccinate.

[hutash]

I can't speak with 100% on measles vax since I don't use it, but modified live vaccine (MLV) will not give you the disease you are being vaccinated against except in some rare situations. Killed vaccines will absolutely not give you the disease unless somebody screwed up royally in the manufacturing process. In fat, the shedding of MLV can work to societies benefit by secondarily vaccinated the kids of idiots like DBS and Telemike.

I have never seen, nor heard of a government program the wants to require all vaccines. Some or great, some are good, some are shit. It is up to doctors and patients/parents to decide, within reason. Some vaccines should be required, we have the data to show they work, they are safe, and they are effective. Just relying on your MD/ped to make the decision is not very bright, hence the reason for the CDC and doctors groups that use their collective knowledge to make the best protocols. The individual MD is still important, but unfortunately there are too many idiot doctors that think they know better then all the people who do the research and studies that help us determine these protocols.

The problem arises when people like DBS and Telemike, egged on by bad MD's and shitty internet research start thinking they know better then everybody else. This is when people start dieing. I don't know the particulars about this woman's death, but it may well have been preventable if idiots didn't take personal exemptions for their kids measles vaccine. If you don't believe me, just take a look at polio vaccinations, religious fanatics, and the prevalence of polio.

[PNWbrit]

No. It does not. Nobody is required to drive. You have a choice.

Nobody is required to have kids either.

[snoqpass]

No. It does not. Nobody is required to drive. You have a choice.

And nobody is required to send their kids with communicable diseases in to places with other kids................