First confirmed Measles death since 2003

[riser4]

Just saw this. Makes no sense--all dogs are autistic: nonverbal, repetitive behaviors. It's clear,
As far as the new outbreak in WA--there's nothing left to be said. OK--maybe one thing. I wonder if the Russians are behind the antivax movement.

Fuck ya. They supported Jill Stein. She's an anti-vaxxer

[old goat]

The most cleared-eyed discussion of the anit-vax problem I've read.
Masha Gessen is a treasure--the most brilliant commentator writing today IMO
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-c...term=TNY_Daily

And it looks like the Russians may actually have something to do with the anti-vax movement

[reckless toboggan]

The most cleared-eyed discussion of the anit-vax problem I've read.
Masha Gessen is a treasure--the most brilliant commentator writing today IMO
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-c...term=TNY_Daily

And it looks like the Russians may actually have something to do with the anti-vax movement

Really good read.

I feel like it should be re-published or followed-up as a long-form deep-dive article.

[old goat]

It helped understand how well-educated, informed people could be anti-vaccers.

[reckless toboggan]

It helped understand how well-educated, informed people could be anti-vaccers.

I worked with a colleague a few years ago who created a socioeconomic vaccination model that ended up being based on income and education (as a proxy for trust in government and science).

Had job offers from 8 top tier schools before the PhD was finished.

[mtngirl79]

Kid spends 57 days in the hospital with Tetnus...

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/08/70155...l-with-tetanus

Anyone else think his parents should be charged with neglect?

Or perhaps insurance companies could refuse to pay the bill for treating illnesses that can be prevented by vaccine in the unvaccinated?

Poor kid.

[frorider]

Kid spends 57 days in the hospital with Tetnus...

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/08/70155...l-with-tetanus

Anyone else think his parents should be charged with neglect?

Or perhaps insurance companies could refuse to pay the bill for treating illnesses that can be prevented by vaccine in the unvaccinated?

Poor kid.

The kicker:

The case was the first incidence of pediatric tetanus that Oregon witnessed in over 30 years and resulted in $800,000 in inpatient charges. At the end of the ordeal, the report said, the boy’s parents refused further vaccinations before taking him home.

“Despite extensive review of the risks and benefits of tetanus vaccination by physicians, the family declined the second dose of DTaP and any other recommended immunizations,” the case study’s authors wrote.

JFC.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5...b0d9361627f055

[Benny Profane]

https://www.motherjones.com/food/201...best-medicine/

[frorider]

JFC America

Florida plans to become the first state to end all vaccine mandates, including for schoolchildren, rejecting a practice that public health experts have credited for decades with limiting the spread of infectious diseases.

Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo, the Florida surgeon general, made the announcement on Wednesday alongside Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Republican. Mr. DeSantis rose to national prominence during the coronavirus pandemic, and over time he has espoused increasingly anti-vaccine views.

“Who am I to tell you what your child should put in their body?” Dr. Ladapo, a vocal denigrator of vaccines, said to applause during an event on Wednesday in Valrico, Fla., near Tampa. “Your body is a gift from God.”

[KQ]

JFC America

Some babies never learn

(^dbl as a post for "semi-obscure Dylan lyrics")

[MultiVerse]

The insane thing about the rejection of vaccines is that a lot of it is based on rejection of the germ theory of disease. If some people agree with separating COVID/vaccine authoritarians from government, then at the very least they should understand the notion RFK Jr and others are restoring a "gold standard" to science is laughable. It's not science. It's incredibly dumb.

While flat-earth beliefs have become a punchline, germ theory denialism—with RFK Jr on the vanguard—is equally absurd because it promotes the fake-scientific belief that germs don't cause infectious disease and that viruses don’t even exist.

Let that sink in. RFK Jr rejects the scientific basis of germ theory by promoting instead the outdated miasma theory as an alternative explanation for disease. Germ theory, which says that microorganisms like viruses and bacteria cause many diseases, is a cornerstone of modern medicine. Miasma theory, in contrast, is the now centuries old debunked notion that diseases are caused by "bad air,"

Trump's cabinet is easily the stupidest ever assembled

[riser4]

Its an IKEA cabinet. And nobody even tried to read the instructions.

[Danno]

Re measles, if you are of a certain age (read: old farts like most of us), ask your doc for the immunity test. Apparently, some of us only got one shot, not two, way back when, and there's a simple test to see if you need a new vaccine.

[XXX-er]

If you think about it there was a really good reason why my buddy would tell us RFK jr always sold the purest mescaline I know a guy who had his 4 the digit amputated from getting tetanus off an open wound on a tractor tire were a cat had pissed

[nickwm21]

Malcom Gladwell’s podcast on RFKJr from a few months ago was pretty jaw dropping.

Essentially, Gladwell simply follows the footnotes and citations in RFKJrs anti-vax book - and as it turns out, the studies that RFKJr uses to support his antivax claims come to completely different conclusions than what he states. It’s not like he cherry picked studies; he either has zero comprehension or he simply DNGAF.

https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/revi...rfk-jr-problem


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[Danno]

he either has zero comprehension or he simply DNGAF.

why not both?

[riser4]

You can say that again.

[jono]

A longtime friend, mostly sane but broadly skeptical of vaccines and western medicine (as she understands it) has been following RFK2 for a while. Likes him. He has smart ideas. (He validates her feelings. Makes her feel smart.) The other day she tells me that maybe he's right that some people just have to die, maybe there are too many of us.

I'm struggling to think of a better definition of dead wrong than saying people should die for their health. War can be peace and ignorance strength and you can fuck your way to virginity before dead equals healthy.

[riser4]

A longtime friend, mostly sane but broadly skeptical of vaccines and western medicine (as she understands it) has been following RFK2 for a while. Likes him. He has smart ideas. (He validates her feelings. Makes her feel smart.) The other day she tells me that maybe he's right that some people just have to die, maybe there are too many of us.

I'm struggling to think of a better definition of dead wrong than saying people should die for their health. War can be peace and ignorance strength and you can fuck your way to virginity before dead equals healthy.

Its all about the eugenics. These are dangerous people.

[PB]

Focus, guys: "THEY should die for MY health". Let's put AI in charge of all the bio-weapon security.

[Dantheman]

The insane thing about the rejection of vaccines is that a lot of it is based on rejection of the germ theory of disease. If some people agree with separating COVID/vaccine authoritarians from government, then at the very least they should understand the notion RFK Jr and others are restoring a "gold standard" to science is laughable. It's not science. It's incredibly dumb.

While flat-earth beliefs have become a punchline, germ theory denialism—with RFK Jr on the vanguard—is equally absurd because it promotes the fake-scientific belief that germs don't cause infectious disease and that viruses don’t even exist.

Let that sink in. RFK Jr rejects the scientific basis of germ theory by promoting instead the outdated miasma theory as an alternative explanation for disease. Germ theory, which says that microorganisms like viruses and bacteria cause many diseases, is a cornerstone of modern medicine. Miasma theory, in contrast, is the now centuries old debunked notion that diseases are caused by "bad air,"

Trump's cabinet is easily the stupidest ever assembled

I've read the relevant excerpts from his book. He's more of a neo-Miasmist who thinks germs cause disease, but only in the context of being unhealthy and eating food dyes and "toxins" and all the other MAHA shit that completely misses the mark of the actual reasons we're unhealthy. RFK thinks that if you are a robust healthy individual then you need fear no germ.

Which is of course ridiculous on it's face, but extra absurd since even if it were effective it means that addressing any public health issue requires solving the obesity crisis.

Malcom Gladwell’s podcast on RFKJr from a few months ago was pretty jaw dropping.

Essentially, Gladwell simply follows the footnotes and citations in RFKJrs anti-vax book - and as it turns out, the studies that RFKJr uses to support his antivax claims come to completely different conclusions than what he states. It’s not like he cherry picked studies; he either has zero comprehension or he simply DNGAF.

https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/revi...rfk-jr-problem


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The follow up episode about Rogan also featured a lot of RFK and some stunningly stupid things said by both of them. They read a study live (well, the abstract) that showed most people died from bacterial pneumonia that was secondary to a covid infection. That's a pretty standard and accepted progression for any serious respiratory disease and it was still the primary infection that killed you. From that they concluded, live on air, that covid didn't actually kill people and the official death tolls are inflated. If you haven't heard it it has to be experienced. It's so insane that this guy is leading HHS.

[jono]

Its all about the eugenics. These are dangerous people.

And this friend I mentioned happens to be Jewish. It's like she's trying to turn quisling into a verb.

[old goat]

For us really old farts--we never got MMR as kids. I vaguely remember getting it at some point as an adult but I have no record of it. As far as RFKJs idea that only unhealthy people get infections--obviously there's a kernel of truth there; as well all know the elderly are more vulnerable to infection. As a species we have evolved natural defenses and the younger (up to a point) and healthier you are the better those defenses work, but no one is completely immune to anything and obviously very few of us would qualify as completely healthy. As for toxins in the environment and in our food and water, I believe there are some that make your vulnerable to infection or cancer--but which ones? We are exposed to thousands.

[MultiVerse]

RFKJ also believes HIV is incidental to AIDS. That AIDS is caused by environmental factors too. Lots of young healthy fit people died of that disease before effective treatments became available. The same goes for polio and smallpox.

[riser4]

And this friend I mentioned happens to be Jewish. It's like she's trying to turn quisling into a verb.

Impressive. In a very bad way.