Ok, this global warming shit is getting out of hand...

[wyeaster]

powerfully shallow response.

i don't think this means mere shaming:

One of the next things that we need to do is, we need to indict public brokers of power for their complicity and complacency in the face of this information. That means we look directly at these companies who are the wealthiest companies in the history of this planet. All of the components of leadership of these public companies should be indicted and shamed. They shouldn’t be able to hide between their fancy yachts and their billions of dollars.

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her "plan" is to include appropriate decisionmakers in the plan development process, ultimately with the political and financial capacity and will to implement appropriate structural change.



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I think based on the events of the last week and a half, I would like to amend that specifically to women of color in charge. And this is aligned with why anti-racism is a fundamental component of climate action. Because when leaders can sit in a place that acknowledges the value and humanity of people who have been systematically erased, they are then prepared to get out in front of the kinds of consequences and trauma and loss of life that are coming to the people that are already systematically erased and devalued.
It’s about the lens of moral attention that women of color bring to public scholarship and their public work. I am following in the footsteps of women of color. [They] are the fundamental leaders in this space right now—women of color and indigenous women, the water protectors.
The existing paradigm of climate leadership has been focused on white men’s leadership. And their leadership is reductionist, technocratic, top-down, and it does not have a comprehensive moral attention to the people who are in the most danger. And so that leadership, I think, is a fundamental risk to the lives and the livelihoods of the people that have the most to lose in the future.

[neufox47]

Maybe I’m just dense, so we need to throw the people who are in power out, get new female leaders of color in power, completely change economic systems to socialism (I assume, it’s not explicit but implied) redistribute wealth so they have the financial means to then implement... what? We are then going to reduce consumption and implement existing technologies to defeat climate change? What’s the plan man? None of the shit she is talking about is going to revolutionize our energy production.

Frankly this type of talk seems a lot like the communist revolution. We are going to throw the capitalists out and put the correct political thinkers in charge... then the trains stop running, bread stops being delivered, and 10,000,000 people starve, because the whole thing was focused on getting in power not how to deliver on the promises. If she wants to go to all solar then we need to produce 500,000,000,000 M^2 of solar panels. Massive energy storage and transportation to get the energy to the poles. How are we going to get there?

[glademaster]

Maybe I’m just dense, so we need to throw the people who are in power out, get new female leaders of color in power, completely change economic systems to socialism (I assume, it’s not explicit but implied) redistribute wealth so they have the financial means to then implement... what? We are then going to reduce consumption and implement existing technologies to defeat climate change? What’s the plan man? None of the shit she is talking about is going to revolutionize our energy production.

Frankly this type of talk seems a lot like the communist revolution. We are going to throw the capitalists out and put the correct political thinkers in charge... then the trains stop running, bread stops being delivered, and 10,000,000 people starve, because the whole thing was focused on getting in power not how to deliver on the promises. If she wants to go to all solar then we need to produce 500,000,000,000 M^2 of solar panels. Massive energy storage and transportation to get the energy to the poles. How are we going to get there?

It doesn't matter because we'll all be in it together, well, except for all of the people who the enlightened say it's okay to ostracize and vilify. Those people can go get fucked.

[Sirshredalot]

It doesn't matter because we'll all be in it together, well, except for all of the people who the enlightened say it's okay to ostracize and vilify. Those people can go get fucked.

I can't wait to get down to the serious business of decarbonizing our economy after 20 years of Stalinist purges.

If what we need to do is call out thepeople who made this problem what it is: fine. Mitch McConnell is a cunt. So are the Kochs. What have I accomplished? We've known that they are cunts for ages.

[AK47bp]

It's a sad situation but we are all fucked. My wife laments about climate change, donates to charities that protect the environment, pays extra money on our electric bill for carbon credits. Yet when I tell her to stop drinking a case of LaCroix every 2 days and not drive a Grand Cherokee I get every excuse in the book.

I think that situation is happening all over. People are passionate but don't want to be inconvenienced or make hard choices. Can't they just pay someone or vote for someone to fix this?

We need a good global plague.


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[wyeaster]

Maybe I’m just dense, so we need to throw the people who are in power out, get new female leaders of color in power, completely change economic systems to socialism (I assume, it’s not explicit but implied) redistribute wealth so they have the financial means to then implement... what? We are then going to reduce consumption and implement existing technologies to defeat climate change? What’s the plan man? None of the shit she is talking about is going to revolutionize our energy production.

Frankly this type of talk seems a lot like the communist revolution. We are going to throw the capitalists out and put the correct political thinkers in charge... then the trains stop running, bread stops being delivered, and 10,000,000 people starve, because the whole thing was focused on getting in power not how to deliver on the promises. If she wants to go to all solar then we need to produce 500,000,000,000 M^2 of solar panels. Massive energy storage and transportation to get the energy to the poles. How are we going to get there?

you are not dense you are just being dense. you have to give people a seat at the table and let them figure it out. i bet they could come up with a better plan than one that protects privilege.

it's hilarious you think other people wanting to survive just like the white male predators and their hangers on is akin to communist revolution.

"correct political thinkers?" that's just a pathetic and sad and lazy "interpretation" and not remotely what she was saying.

[wyeaster]

I can't wait to get down to the serious business of decarbonizing our economy after 20 years of Stalinist purges.

If what we need to do is call out thepeople who made this problem what it is: fine. Mitch McConnell is a cunt. So are the Kochs. What have I accomplished? We've known that they are cunts for ages.

purges are coming, one way or another. guaranteed by the refusal of those with power to care about more than profit and ego.

[iceman]

I'm gonna build a beach house about 100' above sea level in northern Labrador. Should work out fine.

[SumJongGuy]

In case no one clicks on the link, it says "On average, battery electric vehicles (BEVs) representative of those sold today produce less than half the global warming emissions of comparable gasoline-powered vehicles, even when the higher emissions associated with BEV manufacturing are taken into consideration. Based on modeling of the two most popular BEVs available today and the regions where they are currently being sold, excess manufacturing emissions are offset within 6 to 16 months of driving."

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I didn't know it was that much of a difference. It contradicts what you posted earlier though about "Not sure which is true but I've heard both sides of the footprint compares and it's a lot closer than some would find worth the effort."

That's why I posted it.. Because it showed EV total footprint including batter production and retirement is now significantly lower than gas vehicles.

I asked for a source showing EVs footprint... Then found one on my own adding it under "Here's a good one"

[PNWbrit]

Oh yeah, I always liked this idea. That Russian wasn't dumb.

Dr Strangelove was German... the accent and nazi salute were clues.

[muted]

That's why I posted it.. Because it showed EV total footprint including batter production and retirement is now significantly lower than gas vehicles.

I asked for a source showing EVs footprint... Then found one on my own adding it under "Here's a good one"

Ah, gotcha.

[Bunion 2020]

It's a sad situation but we are all fucked. My wife laments about climate change, donates to charities that protect the environment, pays extra money on our electric bill for carbon credits. Yet when I tell her to stop drinking a case of LaCroix every 2 days and not drive a Grand Cherokee I get every excuse in the book.

I think that situation is happening all over. People are passionate but don't want to be inconvenienced or make hard choices. Can't they just pay someone or vote for someone to fix this?

We need a good global plague.


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That is probably going to be the next BIG story.

[GeezerSteve]

Steep carbon tax is the obvious necessary immediate action -- and, like every other meaningful action, is politically impossible because it won't work unless every nation signs on and enforces it. The eventual dire consequences of climate change shall be the ultimate manifestation of the Tragedy of the Commons. There is no cause to have hope.

[wyeaster]

. There is no cause to have hope.

in d.c. in 2000, i sat in a meeting to develop a position paper on enforcement mechanisms for the kyoto protocol with reps of a half dozen of the biggest u.s.-based international environmental ngos while they argued for half the meeting over who got to type the words in the computer because they were all paranoid egomaniacs.

[skiballs]

. you have to give people a seat at the table and let them figure it out. .

Whoever these people are, that you think should be Given a seat at " the table", won't do a damn thing. Why? Because they didn't earn it. It's the same as you feel about the privileged, mostly white people You feel their privilege was given, not earned. Two wrongs don't make a right.

[wyeaster]

Whoever these people are, that you think should be Given a seat at " the table", won't do a damn thing. Why? Because they didn't earn it. It's the same as you feel about the privileged, mostly white people You feel their privilege was given, not earned. Two wrongs don't make a right.

wow deep thoughts from shallow manslut.

[iceman]

I have a limited number of lots available for the cognoscenti at my new development project "LabraShores". It'll be exactly like you'll remember Miami Beach used to be before it went underwater. Plus, long summer days!

[Mofro261]

We need a good global plague.

Working on it.

[BCMtnHound]

I have a limited number of lots available for the cognoscenti at my new development project "LabraShores". It'll be exactly like you'll remember Miami Beach used to be before it went underwater. Plus, long summer days!

I would pay good money to be a fly on your community’s lamppost when the mummers come a calling the first xmas!

[iceman]

It's gonna take them years to get up there in those little cars.

The mummers never seem to have tiny little jeeps for some reason.

edit: Same mumers? Maybe not. I'm thinking of the Philly Parade mummers and Shriners



btw I stand corrected on the jeep shit above. Just look.

[BCMtnHound]

Never experienced those kind of mummers. But once with a group of expat newfies in northern BC is a time I’ll never forget (those parts that I can remember)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mummering

[2FUNKY]

Working on it.

Lol!

[WMD]

Steep carbon tax is the obvious necessary immediate action -- and, like every other meaningful action, is politically impossible because it won't work unless every nation signs on and enforces it. The eventual dire consequences of climate change shall be the ultimate manifestation of the Tragedy of the Commons. There is no cause to have hope.

You don't need every nation to sign on. You add the tax to products as they enter the borders of all countries that have signed on if the country of origin doesn't have a carbon tax. There are solutions to problems like this, and economists have very well thought out plans that can work.

Of course we, the US, won't go for a carbon tax right now. We've got to change that. We need to create the political will to save the planet.

Yes, the situation is dire but this may be our last chance to take meaningful action before it is too late. We, as in you and me, need to not let people forget about this latest report and our situation. We need to keep them from looking away, and to get conversations going about climate change every day.

We need to encourage action. It's like when a fire alarm goes off -- everybody looks around to see if everyone else is taking it seriously. If others don't take it seriously and get up and leave, everyone assumes it's a drill and nobody gets up. But if others get up and run out, soon every is taking it seriously. Right now we need to encourage people to get up, to give a shit, to try. We need to show them this is not a fire drill.

I'll go first: THIS IS NOT A FUCKING DRILL. WE ARE GOING TO ACT AND WE ARE GOING TO SOLVE THIS. WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE EVRY DAY UNTIL WE ALL REALIZE IT IS REAL AND THAT DRASTIC ACTION MUST BE TAKEN!

I'm guessing most of you pride yourselves on not being quitters. Why are so many of you quitting so easily on this extremely important issue?

[ExPowderSnob]

China is, by far, the biggest contributor to global warming right now. Near Zero regulations on pollution, and willfully breaking agreements to ban CFCs.
FUCK CHINA
https://www.chemistryworld.com/opini...009280.article

[neufox47]

^^That's nuts, imagine if we ruined the atmosphere for polyurethane foam...

As far as China being the leader, yes they produce twice what the US does, but you do have to consider populations. Per capita, US is still the highest. China seems to be coming around to how much climate change and pollution has harmed them already and will further harm them. But the globe needs to apply pressure on them. Hard to do when we won't do anything in our own country.