Ok, that's it; nobody else move to Utah

[Red Baron]

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- With a big influx of retirees and lots of
fertile, family-minded Mormons, Utah is projected to be one of the
five fastest-growing states over the next three decades.

The Census Bureau said Thursday that Utah's population is
expected to increase 56 percent, or by more than 1.2 million
people, between 2000 and 2030. Nevada and Arizona are expected to
double in population, and a gain of nearly 80 percent is projected
in Florida and almost 60 percent in Texas.

One reason for the boom in Utah is the Mormon church. It is
estimated at least 70 percent of the state's 2.2 million residents
are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Because of the church's emphasis on big families, Utah's
fertility rate is 2.56 children per woman of childbearing age, the
highest in the nation. (The national rate was 2.03 in 2001.) The
state also has the nation's highest average of people per
household, 3.13, and the lowest median age, 27.5.

It also has one of the nation's fastest-growing older
populations. Its 65-and-older population has climbed 27 percent in
the past 10 years, and will rise an additional 28 percent in the
next decade, according to the Utah Division of Aging and Adult
Services.

Retiring baby boomers -- many of them from California -- are
moving to Utah, often drawn by the red-rock beauty of the southern
part of the state.

Judy and Steve Merrill moved to St. George, billed unofficially
as Utah's retirement capital, last fall from their home in northern
Virginia. They previously owned a second home in Arizona.

"We started comparing, and this had more to offer," said
51-year-old Judy Merrill, a former employee at the World Bank in
Washington.

She rattled off the benefits: outdoor activities, five national
parks within short driving distance, theater, concerts, a new
hospital, attractive housing prices (average selling price for a
single-family home in St. George this year: $243,620), and an
escape from 14-hour work days and long commutes in the nation's
capital.

When she talks to friends in Virginia, she said, the
conversation always turns to what they do not like about the
metropolitan area: traffic and high prices. In southern Utah, she
said, the conversation is about scenic hiking trails or clubs to
join.

"It's just a very different feel to it, and I enjoy that," she
said.

Steve Merrill, 53, traded the stress of a public health service
job in Washington to become a part-time hiking guide for a spa, and
has lost about seven pounds.

The boom is being felt in the northern part of the state, too.
New subdivisions astride Utah's Wasatch mountain range are creeping
closer to and up the hills framing the Salt Lake Valley, were most
of the state's residents live.

According to the Census projections, Florida, California and
Texas will account for 46 percent of the nation's population growth
between 2000 and 2030, with each gaining more than 12 million
residents. Florida will supplant New York as the nation's
third-largest state, behind California and Texas.

Arizona and North Carolina should gain enough residents to join
the nation's 10 most populous states, the Census projects,
replacing Michigan and New Jersey.

The highest population growth -- 88 percent -- is projected in the
South and West, according to the Census.

(Copyright 2005 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
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[Snow Ranger]

how in the hell will there be enough water to go around?

[lemon boy]

hey, just like CO in the 90s. Good LUCK!

call a place paradise, kiss it goodbye (in this case, call a place "this is the place" and kiss it goodbye)

[boarderline]

Old people don't ski.

[Buzzworthy]

I blame Bagtagley. He is now a Utarded one! Anyone got a job for him??

Happy to have a fellow Mountaineer in the house!!

[SkiingBear]

how in the hell will there be enough water to go around?

That doesn't seem to stop the how-many-millions that have moved and keep moving to Los Angeles. Maybe we'll just have to stop sending our water out to California

[girlski0912]

If I solemnly SWEAR to NOT procreate while I live in Utah, can I still move there next winter???

[shera]

Well, it's about the last place I'd ever move.

[Stoysluttie1]

That doesn't seem to stop the how-many-millions that have moved and keep moving to Los Angeles. Maybe we'll just have to stop sending our water out to California

There definitely won't be enough water to supply the population in 2025 especially if people keep building these gargantuan homes and palnting green grass. Ag will soon be lost from the state because those water rights will be moved to urban, ie..there goes a bunch of open space to sub-divisions.

This drought is not over. In fact, its worse than the dust bowl era but we have technology to cover that up. Researchers looked at the rings of the pinon pines and have said this is the second worse drought in 900 years!

And if you look at the overall tree ring of various plants, the past 30 years have been 'wet' years, minus the past few.

We are, IMO, already passed the carrying capacity of the land but that doesn't stop the capitalists from profiteering and making the situation worse. I could go on about this buit I won't.

All i would like to say is to keep your faucets running, your grass greener than hell, and keep washing the sidewalks with water just so we can prove we don't have enough water for a population doubled in size.

[Ski Monkey]

I think I'm going to start buying water rights. Screw real estate.

And I welcome outsiders to the area.

[13]

There definitely won't be enough water to supply the population in 2025 especially if people keep building these gargantuan homes and palnting green grass. Ag will soon be lost from the state because those water rights will be moved to urban, ie..there goes a bunch of open space to sub-divisions.

This drought is not over. In fact, its worse than the dust bowl era but we have technology to cover that up. Researchers looked at the rings of the pinon pines and have said this is the second worse drought in 900 years!

And if you look at the overall tree ring of various plants, the past 30 years have been 'wet' years, minus the past few.

We are, IMO, already passed the carrying capacity of the land but that doesn't stop the capitalists from profiteering and making the situation worse. I could go on about this buit I won't.

All i would like to say is to keep your faucets running, your grass greener than hell, and keep washing the sidewalks with water just so we can prove we don't have enough water for a population doubled in size.

When all is said and done, I bet the people of the intermountain states will want to start diverting water from the great lakes to meet their consumption "needs."

When that happens, I'll tell all y'all to fuck right off and start storing the rainwater that collects in your downspouts.

What really gets me is all the green lawns & golf courses I see in desert environments.

[Stoysluttie1]

When all is said and done, I bet the people of the intermountain states will want to start diverting water from the great lakes to meet their consumption "needs."

When that happens, I'll tell all y'all to fuck right off and start storing the rainwater that collects in your downspouts.

What really gets me is all the green lawns & golf courses I see in desert environments.

Personally, golf courses are better than sub divisions. On the Great Lakes idea..its actually been planned since the late 60's early 70's i believe. if we have another 'great depression' it might happen, but not logically and hopefully never.

Theres also talk of taking water from the Columbia River basin, and even Canada! Although the Canucks say they won't allow it.

[SkiingBear]

When all is said and done, I bet the people of the intermountain states will want to start diverting water from the great lakes to meet their consumption "needs."

Let's all hope that this never happens. If you look into it, you'll find that the Lake Superior basin (as well as the other lakes I'd imagine) is seriously short on water (or it was roughly 3-4 years ago, and I know they haven't had enough precip to recover yet). We'd only end up creating a water shortage there. But then, if you look at California, it's all about taking water from east of you, maybe we could just carry that trend onward?

[ak_powder_monkey]

Screw that I'm moving and I'm bringing 6+% beer

[Trackhead]

In the end, the only solution is vasectomy/tubal ligation. End of story.

It's all about population. Nearly every problem we all bitch about (high crude oil prices, polution, overcrowding, tracked out backcountry) is all about too many friggin people on the planet.

We will destroy ourselves. And I find it amusing in a cynical way. The most 'advanced' species on earth, killing themselves.

I have long wanted to start a clinic where you get your fertility 'activated' by a panel of folks who first checks that you have the following.

1. employment
2. clean urine drug screen (no meth, heroin, cocaine, etc)
3. three years of past W-2's to prove consistent employment/responsiblity
4. don't live with your parents
5. are not on medicaid, food stamps, or any other government assistance

[natty dread]

I have long wanted to start a clinic where you get your fertility 'activated' by a panel of folks who first checks that you have the following.

1. employment
2. clean urine drug screen (no meth, heroin, cocaine, etc)
3. three years of past W-2's to prove consistent employment/responsiblity
4. don't live with your parents
5. are not on medicaid, food stamps, or any other government assistance

I'm with ya track.

[13]

We will destroy ourselves. And I find it amusing in a cynical way. The most 'advanced' species on earth, killing themselves.

You mean, like a virus, a simple species? Ironic, isn't it?

[Station]

SLC is a great place. But as always, a lot of media hype right now, and shitty traffic. So I moved OUT.

[Stoysluttie1]

In the end, the only solution is vasectomy/tubal ligation. End of story.

It's all about population. Nearly every problem we all bitch about (high crude oil prices, polution, overcrowding, tracked out backcountry) is all about too many friggin people on the planet.

We will destroy ourselves. And I find it amusing in a cynical way. The most 'advanced' species on earth, killing themselves.

I have long wanted to start a clinic where you get your fertility 'activated' by a panel of folks who first checks that you have the following.

1. employment
2. clean urine drug screen (no meth, heroin, cocaine, etc)
3. three years of past W-2's to prove consistent employment/responsiblity
4. don't live with your parents
5. are not on medicaid, food stamps, or any other government assistance

I recently gave a presentation on water conservation and it boiled down to one thing...curbing population growth. More natinal parks, monuemnts, wilderness, ets. Conservation land easements, no child tax credits to encourage growth, sustainability.

but the damn capitalist....enter mr. G.

[Odin]

So I can't move there now?
Damn and just when I was starting to think aboot it.

[shirk]

Theres also talk of taking water from the Columbia River basin, and even Canada! Although the Canucks say they won't allow it.

You can almost be certain our fuckwit idiot politicians will cave in and you will get our wonderful Canadian water at a rock bottom price.

[Lynx]

more sex. less babies.

[MacDaddy]

I'm a homo! and my neighbors hate me

[char]

I think I'm going to start buying water rights. Screw real estate.

And I welcome outsiders to the area.

I"m pretty sure all of the water rights were purchased long ago, but good luck with that.

Much of the Western US is by nature unsustainable with humans on the land IMO.

Whatever, we all talk and talk and talk, but between the 300 million of us we are more concerned about homosexual marriage than we are the looming shit storm that will tear our way of life apart. Enjoy the ride while it lasts.

Side note: E. Abbey drove some V10 behemoth on the premise that it would use fossil fuels faster and in his opinion that was a good thing. I'm biying a Excursion next chance I get.

[PaSucks]

In the end, the only solution is vasectomy/tubal ligation. End of story.

It's all about population. Nearly every problem we all bitch about (high crude oil prices, polution, overcrowding, tracked out backcountry) is all about too many friggin people on the planet.

We will destroy ourselves. And I find it amusing in a cynical way. The most 'advanced' species on earth, killing themselves.

I have long wanted to start a clinic where you get your fertility 'activated' by a panel of folks who first checks that you have the following.

1. employment
2. clean urine drug screen (no meth, heroin, cocaine, etc)
3. three years of past W-2's to prove consistent employment/responsiblity
4. don't live with your parents
5. are not on medicaid, food stamps, or any other government assistance

The discussion here needs to examine population growth due to migration and not so much due to irresponsible reproducion. Population growth for the US is expected to cease within 50 years or so. Unlike most post-industrial nations, the US still has a growing population only because of the massive onslaught of immigrants. If you look at the populations of pretty much every technologically advanced nation, the population has peaked. We should be there soon, especially with our economy tanking as hard as it is.