Naxo Boot-out or pre-release

[Core Shot]

Just curious if others have experienced this.

I was skiing a Naxo second gen binder (at DIN 10) on a Stiff Bro when I lost an inside edge on a high speed turn and caught my balance on the outside edge of the uphill ski.
As all my weight shifted to this outside edge, the ski tip chattered quite a bit, but held its edge.
Mid-recovery, however, the toe piece spit me out and pre-released in my opinion.
A good (Look) alpine binder would have held IMHO, and I think my Fritschi's would have also.
I think the binder was not elastic enough to take the additional forces generated by the chuddering of the ski.

Anyone else have similar issues??
Is Naxo the new Marker binding for the backcountry??

[snorkeldeep]

search function? naxos havent gotten good review here (or many other places for that matter). i have high hopes for the binding they announced at OR, but we'll see what happens. im not buying any anytime soon.

[funkendrenchman]

I have never had a prerelease problem with my 1st gen Naxos and I've skied them for two years in every condition.

[Core Shot]

search function? naxos havent gotten good review here (or many other places for that matter). i have high hopes for the binding they announced at OR, but we'll see what happens. im not buying any anytime soon.

searched and read already.

No prior thread seemed to mention any boot out or pre-release.

Naxos from what I have read have gotten pretty good reviews, except for durability. the new NX21 may increase strength, but the basic design is still the same.

One of the wierdest things when adjusting Naxos is the fact that there is no micro adjustment for preload. Heel adjustment is only in set fixed increments.
I had it set for 16 which means 116 midpoint, which means a 232mm sole. My boot is 231, but would that 1mm make a huge difference that caused my release??

[snorkeldeep]

might want to just find a shop with the requisitite release testing equipment and see what it actually measures based on your current settings.

searched and read already.

No prior thread seemed to mention any boot out or pre-release.

Naxos from what I have read have gotten pretty good reviews, except for durability. the new NX21 may increase strength, but the basic design is still the same.

One of the wierdest things when adjusting Naxos is the fact that there is no micro adjustment for preload. Heel adjustment is only in set fixed increments.
I had it set for 16 which means 116 midpoint, which means a 232mm sole. My boot is 231, but would that 1mm make a huge difference that caused my release??

[SkiersLeft]

yeah, the toe piece has pre-released on me once because of extreme tip chatter on ice while turning. my din is set at 10 as well, and this is the only time i have ever had an unwanted release. my remedy was simply to overtighten the toe pieces just a wee bit and while its not "recommended" to do so this solved the problem. medium naxos mounted on m103's for a 335mm boot sole length (alpine boot) if that helps.

[mtbakerskier]

Is Naxo the new Marker binding for the backcountry??

YES
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[Core Shot]

yeah, the toe piece has pre-released on me once because of extreme tip chatter on ice while turning. my din is set at 10 as well, and this is the only time i have ever had an unwanted release. my remedy was simply to overtighten the toe pieces just a wee bit and while its not "recommended" to do so this solved the problem. medium naxos mounted on m103's for a 335mm boot sole length (alpine boot) if that helps.

Xactly what happened to me. Deja Vu.
I thought I had the toe tightened enough, but was afraid to over-tighten and break it.

Interesting.
Any more experiences out there?

Initially when looking at each design, I thought the Naxo toe was more alpine like, and thus more likely to be alpine releasable.
The Freerides are not a center pivot, but a lifting mechanism where the release side of the toe has to be lifted (towards the front of the ski) - maybe this gives the Freerides more elastic retention?
What I initially thought to be an inferior toe piece (the freeride) may turn out to be superior due to retention issues.

[Meathelmet]

Have to chime in.

I have had one similar pre-release.

On a icy slope(inbounds) i put my brakes on while going full speed.
Threw the skis sideways, the usuall chatter started, then suddenly : bang.
Inside (if i remember correctly) ski released.

At that time i just tought that i had my dins too low or had some snow in the binding. Cranked the dins up to 9 after that. No releases or pre-releases after that.

Go figure.

And yes, nowadays skiing on naxos is allways a thriller. I have had zero problems with them (exept what stated above), but i honestly have to
say that im not overly confident with them. It is not nice to ski some line that
gets you worked, and have to stress about the bindings on top of that.

(edit: medium naxos on havocs.)

[summit]

My second and third gen (lets remember, the first naxos available in the US were second year products, first gen were only DIN 10 and available in EU) Naxos haven't had a prerelease problem except when I was running them low (7) I turned them up to 9 on the toes and 10 on the heels and everything is perfect (charts have me at 9 for 3+)

If you prerelease on the toe, make sure that your toe height is adjusted properly (I use a salmon toe height card and adjust it as I do my S912s, that is just slightly tighter than what the books call for, but not CRANKED down (which can cause prerelease according to Lou Dawson's website www.wildsnow.com which has a lot of good information).

As to the no "microadjust," demobindings do not have "microadjust." For all bindings there is a range of acceptable forward pressure. The FPI indicates if it is in proper range. You don't need a microadjust to put it in proper range. For example, Salmon and Look bindings can easily be adjusted to the proper forward pressure though the stops are for about ever 4-5mm on the boot sole.

Anyone else have similar issues??
Is Naxo the new Marker binding for the backcountry??

Prerelease once and all of a sudden it's a marker? Nah. My Looks have prereleased before, though rarely. I love my Looks.

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MBS: We all know you had a bad experience with your Naxos. As I recall you had an issue with durability and customer service. There is no reason to pointlessly malign them at every chance for something unrelated to problems you had.

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Overall, Naxos have gotten a positive reception. There are some very vocal detractors, some who have had genuinely bad experiences (MBS) and many others with suspiciously low post counts who just happen to register and comment when a Naxo thead comes up.

I love my Naxos. They NEVER do the spontaneous freeheel, they survive huge drops (45ft no prerelease), comfy blah blah blah basically I love them.

[crashnburn'd]

I've had Naxos for two years and have never prereleased.... Granted I've only skied them about 10 times. Only problem I've had was I couldn't step into them due to a worn out heel on one boot. Obviously, not the bindings fault, it's my limpy gangsta steeze I guess.

[Core Shot]

Thanks for all the info. I wasnt out to flame Naxo (in fact, after finally skiing it I liked it. I thought I was a candidate for the new NX 21, until the release that I know was not needed, and think would not happen if I were on Looks or Fritschis).

I'll re-read Lou Dawson - missed the part about tight toe screw causing pre release (I thought the opposite), but I think I had the toe set pretty well (the plastic cards seem too loose, so I do a tight piece of paper).

It stil seems odd not to have the exact forward pressure. Even Lou comments on that one, saying sometimes you are trapped between too much and too little depending on the boot.
I was just wondering if that had anything to do with my issues.


P.S. - my Fritschis have done the spontaneous freeheel, but only once, although that did suck quite a bit.

[Hugh Jardon]

I have only had wicked good results with the Naxo's, I own two pairs. And I don't remember any bad reviews here, just questions asked. Maybe there are a couple of freakers out there railing on Naxo's but who cares, actions (like skiing) speak louder than words...

[robokill1981]

I have skied mine a several times this year and this morning for the first time the heel came loose while skiing. I'm hoping it was user error and not the bindings fault because I already don't trust these bindings.

Has this happened to anyone else?

[PNWbrit]

I have skied mine a several times this year and this morning for the first time the heel came loose while skiing. I'm hoping it was user error and not the bindings fault because I already don't trust these bindings.

Has this happened to anyone else?

can you give more detail about exactly what went loose - never heard of this before.

[robokill1981]

The heel came out and I was teleing until I came to a stop. The snow was super crusty and breakable and I think either I never put the heel down all the way (and maybe snow build up kept it from locking into place) or some of the hard crust actually pulled back the locking part on the heel and put the binding into uphill mode.

[Meathelmet]

The heel came out and I was teleing until I came to a stop. The snow was super crusty and breakable and I think either I never put the heel down all the way (and maybe snow build up kept it from locking into place) or some of the hard crust actually pulled back the locking part on the heel and put the binding into uphill mode.

Clear the heelpiece before you close it after skinning.The binding seem´s to be very anal about the snow in the cavity.

[robokill1981]

I didn't know they were so tempermental. I remember closing the binding (genreally that's something I pay attention to), but I didn't clear out the little snow there was in the heel piece as it didn't seem to be enough to make a difference. From now I'm going to take a blow dryer to that heel piece before dropping in!

[Hugh Jardon]

It's pretty much the same with any AT binding after a long touring bout. With the Dynafit you have to scratch the snow out from under the toe piece. With the Fritschi you have to scratch the snow out from where the bar meets the heel piece. Ditto with the Naxo. And always get the snow off of your boot soles before stepping back in to ski.

[nealric]

Only had one pre-release with my naxos- I was cruisin through some bumps and got a bit off balance in one of the troughs as I turned.

Never had a problem with high speed chattering.

[PNWbrit]

I'm sure the only way a naxo will go into insta-tele mode is if you don't lock it down right or if you just destroy the heel latch - it can't release because of tail flex like a freeride.