Police Behaving Badly

[Dantheman]

Yeah, that was the topic du jour

Shit, my bad, I didn't look far enough back and assumed the last page and a half was all a continuation of turdhunter's nonsense.

edit: Ha, got Ken too. This one is so egregious it warrants multiple posts.

[thebirdhunter]

Where'd you go theturdhunter? Seems like you might be running from neckdeep...

Haven't gone anywhere yet.

You guys are pathetic, now I'm a Hitler fan and a homophob. LMAO!!

Sorry can't play anymore today guys I'm heading up to Quake and Hebgen for a few days.

Neckdeep, come look me up. I'll be in an olive Clacka with a Honda outboard.

[babybear]

Haven't gone anywhere yet.

You guys are pathetic, now I'm a Hitler fan and a homophob. LMAO!!

Sorry can't play anymore today guys I'm heading up to Quake and Hebgen for a few days.

Neckdeep, come look me up. I'll be in an olive Clacka with a Honda outboard.

Man instead of being crazy defensive maybe you ought to think about what's being said (in between the insults but hey it is tgr) and use it to expand yourself and your world

I mean why else would you come here if not to have discussion and get other opinions and experiences other than the only road you've ever walked down
That's one of the reasons I like the PR -observe and think about different experiences.

Being uber defensive is just closing down your mind and that's a sad way to live life man

[adrenalated]

birdhunter, have you ever lived in a city or neighborhood that was not predominately white?

[Timberridge]

birdhunter, would you ever let your child be suckled by a black woman?

[digitaldeath]

does turdhunter even have his grade 9?

[Bromontana]

I appreciate you're (mostly) on the right side of this argument, but even your statement above is problematic. You're still accepting the assumption that black americans actually commit more crime than white americans. I don't believe that's true. For a few reasons.

Blacks do not commit more crime than whites. Blacks are caught, arrested, and prosecuted more than whites.

In short, don't buy in to the nonsense that blacks commit more crime than whites. It's not true. They just commit different types of crime and are more likely to get caught.

Agree it's a poorly worded post. Your argument holds true for lots of infractions, though it doesn't acknowledge or properly discount the reality when it comes to homicide and similar violent crime. Maybe my view/understanding is off, but I believe blacks are disproportionately involved in these types of violent crimes. Not caused by race but what you note, environment. The same cycle traps and kills many whites, Hispanics, etc. Because, as many know, pigment is nothing when compared to environment.

It won't be a discrete event, but if and when policing is materially reformed in the USA there will still be deeply entrenched problems of access to job markets, education, etc. that will mute progress within poor communities.

[Bromontana]

exclusive footage of birdhunter and his sister

[neckdeep]

Neckdeep, come look me up. I'll be in an olive Clacka with a Honda outboard.

I'll be sure and call the West Yellowstone police to tell them that there's a suspicious person with an olive clacka and I think he has a gun. You know, to make sure they point AR-15s at your head while they make you grovel in the street. I know you won't mind, cops got to feel safe at all times....

[DasBlunt]

The concept of risk transference seems to underly a lot of shootings. LE is conditioned, for whatever reason, to eliminate perceived, unconfirmed risk regardless of collateral damage and societal impact. Then the first words out of their mouths in the presser relate to the extreme levels of risk these hero officers face every day. The stats on police deaths don't support that narrative though. Driving a big rig is more dangerous than policing in terms of mortality.

It's a fucking charade. The recent police attacks have been outliers against a backdrop of incompetent and sociopathic pariahs in uniform.

Today cops shooting the caregiver being a great example.....so sad. Police departments are just plain incompetent.

[jono]

Poor people have the opportunity to commit different types of crimes than white people.

Sigworthy.

[neufox47]

http://play.podtrac.com/npr-510289/n...t=pod&f=510289

Really interesting podcast on the Chicago PD practice of torturing suspects to get confessions in the 80s. No police were prosecuted.

[snoqpass]

That's a new excuse, his rifle was probably still set on black...
Florida Cop Who Shot Therapist Was Aiming for Autistic Patient and Missed, Officials Say - TIME
https://apple.news/ArHlrI1ioRdev5L3WiWN52g

[neckdeep]

"The officer meant to hit the autistic man Kinsey was trying to help — and he fired three times, according to North Miami police.

But he missed the patient, and hit Kinsey instead, the union chief explained. The cop feared the confused autistic patient — holding a toy truck as he sat next to Kinsey on the pavement — might have posed a safety threat, the labor leader said.

The officer, whose name has not yet been released, could face charges if his actions are deemed criminal.

“I took this job to save lives and help people,” the cop said in a statement released by the union. “I did what I had to do in a split second to accomplish that and hate to hear others paint me as something I’m not.”




Poor piggy's feelings are hurt. Uh, paint you as what? A totally incompetent putz who, at close range, in broad daylight, after several minutes, still can't fucking distinguish between a genuine threat and a man-child with a toy...the very sort of trigger happy dipshit that shouldn't even be a meter maid, let alone be turned loose on civilians with an assault rifle. A paranoid asshole who didn't listen, can't even shoot his big gun straight and hits the "hostage". Yes, please, please tell us how that's not what you are...and, of course, no apology.

Total bullshit explanation cynically designed to make himself look like a hero who made an honest mistake, by the way. Here's why: If he thought the caregiver was in danger and not a suspect, then why handcuff him after they shot him? They found no weapon so why did they treat him like shit after they shot him? Is that standard procedure for all rescued hostages these days or just the black ones? Killer cops never apologize, they always play the victim = more cover your ass lies. Another total bullshit police explanation contradicted by the facts. That's going to go over well....When will these police departments stop making things worse after the fact? Just suspend the cop and then make a public show of kicking his ass off the force. Settle with the victim and, most importantly, apologize. Don't apologize for "an error", apologize specifically for sending a poorly trained, incompetent, trigger happy asshole out into the community with a military rifle and a license to murder anyone who fails to immediately respond to "negotiations".

[old goat]

I kinda see the similarity

Cop's been watching too many Lethal Weapon movies. In a way, though, it makes sense. Clueless cop sees man lying on the ground next to another man. Since the other man is black he assumes the man lying on the ground with his hands up is afraid of the other man, when in fact what the black man lying on the ground is afraid of is the cop. If the cop keeps his job, and I hope he doesn't, maybe it will make him realize that the black people he encounters are more afraid of him than of criminals.

[mcski]

Maybe the cop thought they were planning a Nice style attack when they saw the truck?

Both are made of metal. Maybe we could just ban metal?

[neufox47]

I was once pulled over because my car, a beater city street parked Taurus, matched the description of a car that was used in an armed robbery. I pulled over, started fumbling through my glove box looking for my registration, and suddenly I hear over the loud speaker,

"Driver stop. Roll down your window and put both hands outside of the car."

I think oh shit, I've seen The Wire, this is bad. I roll down the window, stick my hands out, and he says

"now open the car door from the outside and step out of the car".

I open the door and step out and I see the cops with guns drawn immediately relax and lower their weapons as they get a good look at me, a 20 something white guy in dress clothes. I literally say wide eyed, "I'm an accountant".

The cop shakes his head and smiles. Walks up to me and asks me where I'm coming from,

"work"

"Do you have any weapons in the car"?

"Uhh, kinda? I have a spear gun."

"A spear gun?"

"Yea, like for shooting fish"

"Where is it?"

"In the trunk"

"Can I see it"

"Uhh, sure, you aren't going to search the whole car are you? I'm kinda in a hurry."

"No, I just need to see the spear gun"

"Ok," I pop the trunk and the cop sees the spear gun and skin diving gear.

"Sorry, there was an armed robbery and assault on an elderly woman and they were in a late model white Taurus".

"Oh, well I hope you get them".

"Thanks. Get a new car".

Didn't check my license or registration, search the car, etc. I'd never been so happy to be white.

[Bromontana]

[Dantheman]

"Sorry, I'm meant to shoot the unarmed retard."

Truly one of America's finest.

[babybear]

I feel like the police are like politicians- we need the best, smart, most open minded people in those jobs but they are the jobs the best and brightest don't want to do (for various reasons)

[adrenalated]

"Sorry, I'm meant to shoot the unarmed retard."

Truly one of America's finest.

"And my aim sucks."

[Bromontana]

I feel like the police are like politicians- we need the best, smart, most open minded people in those jobs but they are the jobs the best and brightest don't want to do (for various reasons)

For good reason, the Chiefs and Union brass can be extremely defensive and undermine their stated purpose. In practice, job #1 of a bureaucracy is to sustain and grow in both dollar terms and functional requirements. They act like cancer; steadily adding to the rights of police while steadily subtracting civilian rights.

RE: staffing, I think the problem mostly resides in leadership. The rank & file can do a good job imo and often do. But there are wayyyyy too many unchecked violations. There will always be police that respond to the job's challenges with callous disregard for civilians - the key is to have a functional mechanism in place to remove them from the field. No different than performance in sports or professional circles. If you don't meet your basic requirements you are gone. Nothing is more important for LE than public safety. Yet that's precisely what suffers when they are allowed to determine their own misfortune. Very few have the courage to take responsibility and admit fault. The incentive structure is perverted.

[FLS]

Maybe the cop thought they were planning a Nice style attack when they saw the truck?

Both are made of metal. Maybe we could just ban metal?

Clearly a dry run. That hero needs a promotion.

[iceman]

I was once pulled over because my car, a beater city street parked Taurus, matched the description of a car that was used in an armed robbery. I pulled over, started fumbling through my glove box looking for my registration, and suddenly I hear over the loud speaker,

"Driver stop. Roll down your window and put both hands outside of the car."

I think oh shit, I've seen The Wire, this is bad. I roll down the window, stick my hands out, and he says

"now open the car door from the outside and step out of the car".

I open the door and step out and I see the cops with guns drawn immediately relax and lower their weapons as they get a good look at me, a 20 something white guy in dress clothes. I literally say wide eyed, "I'm an accountant".

And that's when they shot him.

[neufox47]

And that's when they shot him.

What would you do without us?