Police Behaving Badly

**thebirdhunter** · 07-19-2016, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by liv2ski

Nice deflection, but just goes to show everyone here what a fucking tool bag you are. Maybe go post over on
some right wing bird killer forum is a better call for you???

Are you politically correct pussys that dumb or are you just being politically correct little pussys?

"White people make up roughly 62 percent of the U.S. population but only about 49 percent of those who are killed by police officers. African Americans, however, account for 24 percent of those fatally shot and killed by the police despite being just 13 percent of the U.S. population. As The Post noted in a new analysis published last week, that means black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers."

That's because 13% of the population commits the vast majority of the crimes. Therefore they're going to get shot by cops more.

http://www.colorofcrime.com/2016/03/...vised-edition/

**Bromontana** · 07-19-2016, 08:23 PM

The farther you zoom out the more detail is lost. Any problem, when viewed from a far enough vantage point, can be labelled trivial or nonexistent. That said your logic is tripe. Using a sentence to dismiss what is clearly a fundamental problem in one of the most important public institutions is negligent.

"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor."
-Trey Corvo

**frorider** · 07-19-2016, 09:14 PM

For anyone truly interested, read the article and comments here:. http://andrewgelman.com/2016/07/14/a...s-than-whites/

**Bromontana** · 07-19-2016, 09:39 PM

Alex D in comments is interesting

This study is a perfect example of how conditioning on post-treatment variables can lead you astray when estimating a causal effect. If the police perception of a person’s race is the treatment, then almost all situational variables that they condition on in the study are “downstream”: whether an encounter takes place at all, whether the encounter escalates to “potential for lethal force”, whether the encounter escalates to “use of taser”.

This truncation problem (that many potential encounters don’t even occur if a suspect is perceived as white) is actually a very interesting non-ignorable missing data problem, and without treating it, I’m not sure if we can say much of anything about this issue using police records.

**old goat** · 07-19-2016, 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by Bromontana

Alex D in comments is interesting

I'm not sure what the guy is saying (actually I have no clue) but I do agree that the study referred to is bullshit, since it is based on police reports, which are of course written so as to justify whatever actions the police took, whether lethal or non lethal.

**neufox47** · 07-20-2016, 05:15 AM

Originally Posted by thebirdhunter

Are you politically correct pussys that dumb or are you just being politically correct little pussys?

"White people make up roughly 62 percent of the U.S. population but only about 49 percent of those who are killed by police officers. African Americans, however, account for 24 percent of those fatally shot and killed by the police despite being just 13 percent of the U.S. population. As The Post noted in a new analysis published last week, that means black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers."

That's because 13% of the population commits the vast majority of the crimes. Therefore they're going to get shot by cops more.

http://www.colorofcrime.com/2016/03/...vised-edition/

According to the FBI, blacks commit roughly 28% of crimes based on arrests.

"by Race, 2012
In 2012, 69.3 percent of all individuals arrested were white, 28.1 percent were black, and 2.6 percent were of other races."

Perhaps you are confused about what vast majority means?

Edit - Did you realize that you were posting a link to a website run by a self described "white separatist"?

**SkiCougar** · 07-20-2016, 08:14 AM

The foresight of the majority, especially on this thread; never disappoints.

Yes, blacks are given different treatment by cops of all races; but that's not worth anything more than prosecution and peaceful protests.

Now that is has gotten to the point where some have perceived it's okay to use violent language about actions on cops and cops has been murdered, the entire country outside of small towns will have to live with the effects.

Those are:
1. smaller police forces that cannot patrol their communities effectively anymore
2. less interaction with cops to build community relations
3. increased crime of every sort as criminals and gangs figure out the cops are holding back now. a lot more robbing and raping will be going on.
4. an increase in security for the neighborhoods that can afford it, which will result in even less cops

These trends will never reverse.

as usual, those affected most by the same judgement of cops that every person in the country make every day when venturing outside their front door on who is typically their greatest threat to being safe; will be the most affected.

I predict the crime rates in majority African American communities to skyrocket because of what I listed.

(oh, and another cop murdered yesterday in Kansas city, but you guys go ahead and keep listing that less than 1% of cops that use excessive force.)

**MagnificentUnicorn** · 07-20-2016, 08:46 AM

I've learned in this thread that birdhunter is racist and doesn't understand statistics, wonder what his handle on arf.com is? SkiCougar is complacent and doesn't understand black people's frustration when cops aren't convicted of murdering citizens and that peaceful protest don't work(didn't the hippies eventually figure this out?). He may be unconsciously racist too, aren't we all?

**FLS** · 07-20-2016, 09:22 AM

Subconsciously?

**Mazderati** · 07-20-2016, 09:31 AM

Subconsciously unconscious.

**My Pet Powder Goat** · 07-20-2016, 09:34 AM

Well, it's pretty obvious the guy is asleep at the wheel about what's happening to some of his fellow American Citizens

**thebirdhunter** · 07-20-2016, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by neufox47

Edit - Did you realize that you were posting a link to a website run by a self described "white separatist"?

I did not know that.

Are the statistics in that article true or not?

Hey Aaron, where would you rather live, in an all white neighborhood or an all black neighborhood? Yea that's what I thought, you racist.

**digitaldeath** · 07-20-2016, 10:09 AM

your comma usage is way off

**MagnificentUnicorn** · 07-20-2016, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by thebirdhunter

I did not know that.

Are the statistics in that article true or not?

Hey Aaron, where would you rather live, in an all white neighborhood or an all black neighborhood? Yea that's what I thought, you racist.

The statistics are factual. While more white people are shot by police, the probability of getting shot by police is higher for black people. Is that hard for you to grasp?

I have blacks, mexicans and asians in my neighborhood, we all get along. The only person I don't like, and no one likes him, is the cranky old white guy. He seems racist and he's a conspiracy nut.

**iceman** · 07-20-2016, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by old goat

I'm not sure what the guy is saying (actually I have no clue) but I do agree that the study referred to is bullshit, since it is based on police reports, which are of course written so as to justify whatever actions the police took, whether lethal or non lethal.

What he's saying is that the police reports can't be accurate when it comes to representing the results police/citizen interactions because the interactions don't even happen if the citizen is white. So there's no chance for a bad outcome if the citizen is white because the cops didn't even talk to him in the first place. The same thing probably applies to crime statistics themselves.

**digitaldeath** · 07-20-2016, 10:30 AM

here's an idea

dont believe anything the cops say

**MagnificentUnicorn** · 07-20-2016, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by iceman

What he's saying is that the police reports can't be accurate when it comes to representing the results police/citizen interactions because the interactions don't even happen if the citizen is white. So there's no chance for a bad outcome if the citizen is white because the cops didn't even talk to him in the first place. The same thing probably applies to crime statistics themselves.

This is true. It's only anecdotal but I was driving home from the hospital around 2 AM and a cruiser came up behind me fast with the rollers on and blipped his siren. I pulled over and rolled the window down. I asked what the problem was. Cop said my car matched the make, model and color of a vehicle involve in an assault just minutes before. I said "I'm just going home from the hospital after emergency surgery" he turned around and walked back to his cruiser and sped away. I didn't even have my wallet or driver's license with me and he didn't ask. I'm sure if I was hispanic that I would have been "detained" and questioned a bit more until my identity and story checked out.

**iceman** · 07-20-2016, 10:41 AM

We know who gets arrested and prosecuted more often for crimes but do we really know for a fact who commits more on a per capita basis? We might think we know, Birdhunter is sure he knows, but the real answer is we actually don't, because the white person is far less likely to be stopped/questioned/arrested etc. and that necessarily makes outcome statistics invalid.

**digitaldeath** · 07-20-2016, 10:44 AM

i would wager all populations commit crime at equal rate

**Timberridge** · 07-20-2016, 10:48 AM

But among criminals it's higher. I've seen the stats.

**iceman** · 07-20-2016, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by digitaldeath

i would wager all populations commit crime at equal rate

$37?

**digitaldeath** · 07-20-2016, 10:53 AM

whites probably commit more crimes as they can regularly get away with it

you dont see many blacks driving like maniacs breaking traffic laws, thats a white mans game

**snoqpass** · 07-20-2016, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by AaronWright

This is true. It's only anecdotal but I was driving home from the hospital around 2 AM and a cruiser came up behind me fast with the rollers on and blipped his siren. I pulled over and rolled the window down. I asked what the problem was. Cop said my car matched the make, model and color of a vehicle involve in an assault just minutes before. I said "I'm just going home from the hospital after emergency surgery" he turned around and walked back to his cruiser and sped away. I didn't even have my wallet or driver's license with me and he didn't ask. I'm sure if I was hispanic that I would have been "detained" and questioned a bit more until my identity and story checked out.

Or maybe you weren't the droid he was looking for