Police Behaving Badly

[MagnificentUnicorn]

whites probably commit more crimes as they can regulatory get away with it

Are saying that there are regulations that let white people get away with crime?

[digitaldeath]

i meant regularly - fixed it

but i think there are regulations like this in place however they are obfuscated by lawyers and policy makers

[frorider]

http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/...f-police-stops

Thought experiment: if you're white, and part of your workplace sensitivity training required getting professionally made up to look black so you could drive around town in a newish BMW around midnight, deep down would you hesitate for a second? How would your hesitation vary depending on the location?

[stfu&gbtw]

Here's another anecdote on interactions with white people that don't happen, vs. interactions with people of color that shouldn't happen...

We had a disturbance of sorts up at the house several hears ago. Resulted in a heated argument and some people refusing to leave my property. They left when I called the SO, who took a description of the people. White, males, build, height, specific t-shirts, etc. The cops go off looking for them.. Fast forward a couple of hours and I have a deputy on my doorstep...

"Any chance the guys were hispanic?"

"No, they're white."

"Are you sure they're not hispanic?"

"Yes, I'm sure."

"Are you really sure? Because we have a car stopped with four hispanic guys handcuffed on the ground and we think they're the guys."

"Does one of them have a particular hairstyle, and is wearing a t shirt that says XYZ?"

"No."

"Are they driving xyz car?"

"No."

"That's not them."

"Are you sure? Because we'll have to let them go..."

"That's not them and they don't match any description I gave you. You should absolutely not detain them based on my complaint."

I've never seen a dude look so disappointed. Of course, that was the end of the discussion. They never looked into any further, since I was being so "uncooperative". Moral of the story is:


Fuck the police.

[Bromontana]

We know who gets arrested and prosecuted more often for crimes but do we really know for a fact who commits more on a per capita basis? We might think we know, Birdhunter is sure he knows, but the real answer is we actually don't, because the white person is far less likely to be stopped/questioned/arrested etc. and that necessarily makes outcome statistics invalid.

Luckily you don't need to know per capita stats to answer the prevailing question of whether or not LE agencies are undermining their stated purpose. Intentionally framing the conversation purely in terms of race is often an exercise in rhetoric on both sides, though one side has a pretty good justification for doing so (getting shot for no reason, then watching assailants walk free).

In almost every locality reviewed in detail by the Feds, LE has been shown to systematically undermine civil rights. The violations get more egregious the further you go into the realm of non-white, non-affluent, which reinforces the importance of the missing data problem stated earlier. Even in areas that lack serious poverty or racial tension, data presents some troubling patterns (ex. failure to pursue rapists / prioritize related casework).

Here's objective evidence of reckless conduct followed by lax oversight/discipline by Miami PD from a 2013 review:

Based on our comprehensive review, we find reasonable cause to believe that MPD engages in a pattern or practice of excessive use of force with respect to firearm discharges. We arrived at this conclusion based on interviews of relevant witnesses; a careful review of MPD policies; reviews of investigative files in connection with incidents of fire arms discharges; and reviews of policies and practices related to internal investigations of uses of deadly force. Among other findings, our investigation uncovered a number of troubling MPD practices, including deficient tactics and supervision, as well as significant delays and substantive deficiencies in deadly force investigations.

Hey, they're 87% effective when using lethal force! Get a medal for these heroes:

MPD's own finding ofa 13% unjustified shooting rate (3 of the 24 completed investigations) is one factor underlying our determination of a pattern or practice of unconstitutionally excessive deadly force. Throughout the entire period of our review - 2008 through 2011 - we identified other shootings that appear unjustified and may have resulted from tactical and training deficiencies.

This one reminds me Philando Castile's death. Far away from MSP but the same reckless conduct, met with virtually no consequences for the aggressor.

In the second case, MPD disciplined an officer after the officer shot at a motorist who reached into his back pocket to retrieve his wallet after the officer requested identification. The Firearms Review Board voted 4-1 that the shooting was justified. The dissenting Firearms Review Board member noted that (1) the officer should have anticipated that the driver would reach into his rear pocket to get identification; and (2) it was questionable that the officer gave several commands as he claimed. Chief Orosa overruled the Fireams Review Board to find the shooting unjustified.

Aggregated national data or not, you can very easily establish objective justifications for the BLM movement. Sure, BLM doesn't cover the entire scope of LE deficiencies across the USA. But that's not their stated purpose. They are a specific organization looking to address a specific aspect of a general problem. Anyone that feels strongly about the exclusion of Hispanics or other marginalized groups can start a parallel movement. So far the black community has stepped up in a big way and they have a seat at the table with the President. Demonizing them for trying to improve their collective experience is a transparent exercise in trying to silence victims and perpetuate abusive policing.

source: https://www.justice.gov/sites/defaul...ngs_7-9-13.pdf

[FLS]

Police kill family dog at child's birthday party

http://okcfox.com/news/fox-25-invest...birthday-party

"The police officer used a high-powered rifle he retrieved from his police vehicle to put the dog down. He fired two more shots from the rifle in front of the children."

Stupid dog. Should have just complied.

[neckdeep]

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...e90905442.html

Police shoot unarmed caregiver as he lies in the street with both arms raised. Somehow these pigs managed to find a new level of low. Not only do cops routinely shoot the mentally disabled, now they are shooting their caregivers. Un-fucking-believable.

[digitaldeath]

That seems to be a new low

[Harvey44]

.....Fuck the police.

That's the most fucked up thing since Cheney went looking for evidence that Sadam blew up the twin towers.

[Harry]

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...e90905442.html

Police shoot unarmed caregiver as he lies in the street with both arms raised. Somehow these pigs managed to find a new level of low. Not only do cops routinely shoot the mentally disabled, now they are shooting their caregivers. Un-fucking-believable.

Holy fuck.

[frorider]

“I thought it was a mosquito bite, and when it hit me I had my hands in the air, and I’m thinking I just got shot!” Kinsey told WSVN. “And I’m saying, ‘Sir, why did you shoot me?’ and his words to me were, ‘I don’t know.’”

[Bromontana]

The concept of risk transference seems to underly a lot of shootings. LE is conditioned, for whatever reason, to eliminate perceived, unconfirmed risk regardless of collateral damage and societal impact. Then the first words out of their mouths in the presser relate to the extreme levels of risk these hero officers face every day. The stats on police deaths don't support that narrative though. Driving a big rig is more dangerous than policing in terms of mortality.

It's a fucking charade. The recent police attacks have been outliers against a backdrop of incompetent and sociopathic pariahs in uniform.

[old goat]

This last case and a lot of the other cases have a common theme--someone calls 911 to report suspicious activity and often a gun, when in fact there is neither. Or the suspicious activity is being black. In this case I almost wonder if some neighbor didn't like the "retards" in the neighborhood and decided to do something about it. Most of the blame has to go to LEO's--after all they're supposed to be the professionals, but the freaked out public who keep calling the cops over nothing isn't helping.

As far as risk and heroism, Obama faces a lot more risk than the average policeman who blames him for police getting shot. The chance of violent death for a president is nearly 10%, not including the Presidents who were only wounded, shockingly high considering the career of a President is at most 8 years, excluding FDR. (Garfield and McKinley would survive their wounds if shot today, and security is improved so the risk is lower, but still undoubtedly higher than the roughly 1/250 risk of being killed on the job from any cause over the course of a policeman's 20 year career.)

[thebirdhunter]

i would wager all populations commit crime at equal rate

I'd take that bet but seeing how you already proved you're a fucking welch, I'll have to pass.


Do any of you cop haters want to comment on why 13% of the population commits over 50% of the murders?

[neckdeep]

I'd take that bet but seeing how you already proved you're a fucking welch, I'll have to pass.


Do any of you cop haters want to comment on why 13% of the population commits over 50% of the murders?

That's because 13% of the population commits the vast majority of the crimes. Therefore they're going to get shot by cops more.

Yeah, or you could just come out and say you think blacks are guilty until proven innocent. That dude in lying in the street with his patient really looked like he was about to murder someone because, you know, he was black and like you are insinuating, that makes him an automatic murder suspect. Cops got to have assault rifles pointed at black people at all times; you never know when one of those evil blacks is going to start murdering america's heroic cops with a toy truck. Police tactics according to Birdy and Skicougar: If there's a black caregiver (probable murderer) with his patient, lying compliantly in the street, arms up, calmly explaining the situation....shoot at him a few times because he might be faking it. Then cuff him and leave him to bleed out lying on a scorching hot street because you just can't trust those evil blacks. Never admit mistakes and always blame the victim. It's more important that incompetent cops always feel safe than the rest of us get treated with the dignity that our constitution intended.

[jono]

According to the FBI, blacks commit roughly 28% of crimes based on arrests.

"by Race, 2012
In 2012, 69.3 percent of all individuals arrested were white, 28.1 percent were black, and 2.6 percent were of other races."

Perhaps you are confused about what vast majority means?


Edit - Did you realize that you were posting a link to a website run by a self described "white separatist"?

Do any of you cop haters want to comment on why 13% of the population commits over 50% of the murders?

Was this question just for cop haters, or can all the posts that already refuted your nonsense play, too?

[thebirdhunter]

Yeah, or you could just come out and say you think blacks are guilty until proven innocent. That dude in lying in the street with his patient really looked like he was about to murder someone because, you know, he was black and like you are insinuating, that makes him an automatic murder suspect. Cops got to have guns pointed at black people at all times; you never know when one of those evil blacks is going to start murdering america's heroic cops with a toy truck. Police tactics according to Birdy and Skicougar: If there's a black guy (probable criminal) lying compliantly in the street, arms up, calmly explaining the situation....shoot at him a few times because he might be faking it. Then cuff him and leave him to bleed out lying on a scorching hot street because you just can't trust those evil blacks. It's better that incompetent cops always feel safe than the rest of us get treated with the dignity that our constitution intended.

My question has nothing to do with the incident you're refering to, nice deflection tho.

BTW, how many more times you going to edit your post?

[Bromontana]

Do any of you cop haters want to comment on why 13% of the population commits over 50% of the murders?

You're fast approaching ignore territory. Would you like me to start posting photos of homicide victims in the guns thread? Happy to do so if you want to escalate the cunt war. You are literally too ignorant and/or dumb to grasp the causalities that lead blacks to higher rates of criminal activity. There's little value to be had talking to someone like you (an idiot).

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Hey birdhunter, do you think blacks commit more murder because of socioeconomic reasons or because they're black?

[stfu&gbtw]

Hey birdhunter, do you think blacks commit more murder because of socioeconomic reasons or because they're black?

That's a trick question... Black people murder more people because they're surrounded by black people, who are more likely to be murdered.









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[neckdeep]

My question has nothing to do with the incident you're refering to, nice deflection tho.

BTW, how many more times you going to edit your post?

Maybe more...see unlike you, I'm actually thinking about what I write and sometimes I think of a more concise way to say it.

Ps. No one is deflecting about what a nasty racist you seem like. Thanks to you, its rapidly becoming the topic. Shit, dude, ya live in one of the whitest places country; most of the crime around here is white people fucking up on meth, booze and pills. Mostly white cops and white criminals leads to, what do ya know, very few police shootings. Give it a rest already.

[Timberridge]

What's pissing me off is municipal police departments don't seem to learn anything from these incidents. Incompetence is tolerated because the lawyers settle out of court and the money comes out of the taxpayer's pockets. If this happened at a private company, changes would be made and heads would roll or they'd be out of business. As long as taxpayers are footing the bill for police indiscretion, incompetence will be tolerated and police departments will continue to get a bottomless pit of funding from government since taxpayers have been duped into believing their town or city needs the firepower equivalent of delta force to protect them.

[digitaldeath]

I'd take that bet but seeing how you already proved you're a fucking welch, I'll have to pass.


Do any of you cop haters want to comment on why 13% of the population commits over 50% of the murders?

industrialized slavery



birdhunter just towing the line like a dumb hick

the biggest fear for rural morons are gangbangers from the inner city / the funniest shit ever

[neckdeep]

birdhunter just towing the line like a dumb hick

the biggest fear for rural morons are gangbangers from the inner city / the funniest shit ever

Word. I lived in Chitown during the peak of the crack wars. The murder rate was astounding and it was mostly gangbanging (and people caught in the crossfire). The point being that it is not 13% of the population committing all the murders. That's where Birdy is going so wrong. Taking a small subset (gang bangers) and attributing those behaviors to the other 38 million really broadcasts your racist attitudes and as DD noted, it's a bit off coming from someone who has almost zero daily exposure to black people (idaho, third whitest state, 97% white, 0.8% african american).

[digitaldeath]

ya but the hicks fear the gangbangers will drive to their communities and cause havoc


birdhunter just scared of rappers and the ilk