Police Behaving Badly

[GallatinTeleMonster]

That article outlines the very slippery slope of arming police with what essentially ARE roving surveillance cameras. Add automatic dumping of the streaming feed into main police and FBI databases that use facial recognition software, and a "surrveilance state" is potentially heightened from what is already a highly surrveiled post-911 society. Weighing benefits of police body cams over deficits, I'd say NO THANKS to police body cams.. That so many Americans are calling for police body cams is actually quite scary and an instance of sheep not using their heads. Sad.

A-mothafuckin-Men, good sir. Scary, scary, scary shit.

[TomCrac]

[Url]http://mobile.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/06/19/us/ap-us-island-county-jail-death.html?referrer=&_r=0[url]


One of my brother in law's best friends. Really fucked up situation.




Sent from the other side

Well, they did say they were sorry.

""I am truly sorry for this tragic death," Brown wrote in the report. "Our highest priority is the safety and well-being of our inmates and staff and this report describes a systematic breakdown of policies, procedures and communication that led to this tragedy."

Looks like they failed at their highest priority. Well maybe just half, the staff are all still fine.

[old goat]

A-mothafuckin-Men, good sir. Scary, scary, scary shit.

No good sir. Scary, scary shit is what black people face every time they interact with a cop. The fear that the government will use body cams to surveille you is a manifestation of an inflated sense of self-importance. The government doesn't give a shit about you.

[GallatinTeleMonster]

No good sir. Scary, scary shit is what black people face every time they interact with a cop. The fear that the government will use body cams to surveille you is a manifestation of an inflated sense of self-importance. The government doesn't give a shit about you.

Are you black? Or do you just speak for black people? What was that you were saying about self-importantance? There is no fear that the government will surveille ME. It's the meta data that's concerning.

[snoqpass]

Bus driver glasses cam....
2 King County deputies could be fired for dishonesty

http://www.king5.com/story/about-us/...esty/30573277/

(Sent from KING 5 HD)

[neufox47]

Bus driver glasses cam....
2 King County deputies could be fired for dishonesty

http://www.king5.com/story/about-us/...esty/30573277/

(Sent from KING 5 HD)

What wouldn't that be filing a false police report?

[Bromontana]

What wouldn't that be filing a false police report?

It wasn't a police report, it was filing a complaint against a fellow public servant. Trying to hurt the mans career because Sergeant didn't feel like doing his job properly. Luckily the mess also caught an unwitting Deputy dipshit that's willing to lie and submarine a 20+ year respectable civil servant's career.

The Sergeant at a minimum should be let go. Too bad hell just go to Tacoma/Bham and get the next open Sergeant spot

[old goat]

Are you black? Or do you just speak for black people? What was that you were saying about self-importantance? There is no fear that the government will surveille ME. It's the meta data that's concerning.

I believe the term you're looking for is "n..... lover". (I don't mind spelling it out but Dunfee might.) No I'm not black. And I'm happy to let the 100's of black people on this forum speak for themselves. If you think someone has to be black to be aware of what black people go through with the police you have your head farther up your ass than I realized. No self-importance here--I'm not the one who thinks I'm such a radical subversive that the govt. is keeping tabs on me. I hate the NSA as much as anyone, but body cams on cops are not they way the govt would keep tabs on us. God knows there's enough cameras already. And even if the body cams were a surveillance tool, if they keep a few black and brown people (and the occasional white person) alive than the risk is worth the benefit.

[GallatinTeleMonster]

Not the term I was looking for at all. But there you go speaking for others again. If you think body cams will do anything to keep anyone alive than you have your head up your ass.

I believe the term you're looking for is "n..... lover". (I don't mind spelling it out but Dunfee might.) No I'm not black. And I'm happy to let the 100's of black people on this forum speak for themselves. If you think someone has to be black to be aware of what black people go through with the police you have your head farther up your ass than I realized. No self-importance here--I'm not the one who thinks I'm such a radical subversive that the govt. is keeping tabs on me. I hate the NSA as much as anyone, but body cams on cops are not they way the govt would keep tabs on us. God knows there's enough cameras already. And even if the body cams were a surveillance tool, if they keep a few black and brown people (and the occasional white person) alive than the risk is worth the benefit.

[Bromontana]

If you think body cams will do anything to keep anyone alive than you have your head up your ass.

^ Uh, this is the worst case of projection I've seen in this thread. Body cams lower incidence of force, period. That saves a lot of lives over time, both in terms of deaths and lives ruined by bullshit charges.

There are some interesting dynamics involved with body/dash-cams, to be sure:
- civilians are likely to modify behavior in the presence of cams for obvious reasons
- police use force less
- the cams represent accountability.

You can achieve accountability via other means, like empowering civilian review boards and cleaning up the culture of policing in general. Banning frauds from serving in LE universally would be a good start. We do it in banking, law, medicine, even DMVs. Cops that show they can't handle the power should not be cops and we need mechanisms and institutions that can deliver that result.

Cams aren't a panacea, but at this stage in the game they are the biggest hope as the blue wall of silence is one fucking tough nut to crack. See Seattle PD link above. The fucking BUS DRIVER had his career and safety compromised by a wayward, asshole cop who was too lazy to do his job, then retaliated against the man. Only reason he was caught was a civilian body cam the cop didn't know about.

http://harvardlawreview.org/2015/04/...-body-cameras/

all from link above

Perhaps the most commonly cited indicator of body cameras’ potential to reduce instances of officer-civilian conflict is the “Rialto study.” In this study, which ran from February 2012 through July 2013, half of Rialto, California’s fifty-four patrol officers were “randomly assigned to wear the TASER AXON body-camera system.” Other studies include an evaluation at the Mesa Police Department in Arizona, in which fifty officers were outfitted with body cameras for one year and were compared to officers who did not wear such cameras, id. at 17–18, and an ongoing study at the Phoenix Police Department that is testing “whether the cameras deter unprofessional behavior from officers, lower citizen complaints, reduce citizen resistance, and disprove allegations against officers,” id. at 18.

The results of the study appeared conclusive: “[s]hifts without cameras experienced twice as many incidents of use of force as shifts with cameras,” and “the rate of use of force incidents per 1,000 contacts was reduced by 2.5 times” overall as compared to the previous twelve-month period."
[...]
It may also be that lower rates of police misconduct are due to an increased culture of accountability on the force as opposed to the cameras themselves, an outcome that could arguably be achieved through other types of departmental changes.

[MTT]

It is also interesting that during that whole encounter with Bland that the cop escalated the event. He didn't need to ask her what was wrong, he could have just handed her the ticket and moved along. And then when she expressed her frustration he could have left it at that. Instead, escalation. Just had to remain the alpha, in control cop instead of handing over a ticket and going about his work.

This is a problem with most cops training as far as I can tell. Trained to escalate and remain in control instead of backing away from volatile situations.

There it is, these are not one off bad cop incidents, somewhere they are being trained to oppress, suborn and even manipulate people into losing control. It's the tactic of an occupying hostile force. Not protect and serve.
Remember that if you come under their control.
They will push buttons to get a reaction.

[TomCrac]

I don't know if they are trained directly to escalate, oppress, suborn or even manipulate people into losing control, but maybe by not being held accountable, they are being trained that they can do what they damn well please. Then the true colors come out. kind of like some one taunting and teasing a small defenseless animal, you know, just for "fun".

[iceman]

I tend to worry less about the metadata and more about the bullets.

[old goat]

^ Uh, this is the worst case of projection I've seen in this thread. Body cams lower incidence of force, period. That saves a lot of lives over time, both in terms of deaths and lives ruined by bullshit charges.

There are some interesting dynamics involved with body/dash-cams, to be sure:
- civilians are likely to modify behavior in the presence of cams for obvious reasons
- police use force less
- the cams represent accountability.

You can achieve accountability via other means, like empowering civilian review boards and cleaning up the culture of policing in general. Banning frauds from serving in LE universally would be a good start. We do it in banking, law, medicine, even DMVs. Cops that show they can't handle the power should not be cops and we need mechanisms and institutions that can deliver that result.

Cams aren't a panacea, but at this stage in the game they are the biggest hope as the blue wall of silence is one fucking tough nut to crack. See Seattle PD link above. The fucking BUS DRIVER had his career and safety compromised by a wayward, asshole cop who was too lazy to do his job, then retaliated against the man. Only reason he was caught was a civilian body cam the cop didn't know about.

http://harvardlawreview.org/2015/04/...-body-cameras/

all from link above

Perhaps the most commonly cited indicator of body cameras’ potential to reduce instances of officer-civilian conflict is the “Rialto study.” In this study, which ran from February 2012 through July 2013, half of Rialto, California’s fifty-four patrol officers were “randomly assigned to wear the TASER AXON body-camera system.” Other studies include an evaluation at the Mesa Police Department in Arizona, in which fifty officers were outfitted with body cameras for one year and were compared to officers who did not wear such cameras, id. at 17–18, and an ongoing study at the Phoenix Police Department that is testing “whether the cameras deter unprofessional behavior from officers, lower citizen complaints, reduce citizen resistance, and disprove allegations against officers,” id. at 18.

The results of the study appeared conclusive: “[s]hifts without cameras experienced twice as many incidents of use of force as shifts with cameras,” and “the rate of use of force incidents per 1,000 contacts was reduced by 2.5 times” overall as compared to the previous twelve-month period."
[...]
It may also be that lower rates of police misconduct are due to an increased culture of accountability on the force as opposed to the cameras themselves, an outcome that could arguably be achieved through other types of departmental changes.

If you think body cams will do anything to keep anyone alive than you have your head up your ass.

Apparently not.

[digitaldeath]

What one must understand is cop sympathizers feel cops are infallible. Cops behave as such

[MTT]

Having said what I did, I want to say that, I have met and interacted with some nice decent solid people who are police officers.

What to do?

[digitaldeath]

A pig is a pig


I don't like watching filthy snakes oppress folks

[Bromontana]

Having said what I did, I want to say that, I have met and interacted with some nice decent solid people who are police officers.

What to do?

The most straightforward way to start is to increase departmental priority of addressing the 'contempt of cop & cover arrests' that are widespread and a big source of community distrust (read: non-cooperation). Beyond that increase resources or shift priorities to focus on use of force/ deadly force incidents. These stats and case files need to be recorded and transparent for external review.

For punishment you need to have an effective deterrent for misconduct, not reward high volume and low quality arrests. There is far too much discretion within dysfunctional PDs performing ethical/legal reviews on themselves, it's a glaring conflict of interests.

There's a fairly absurd police bill of rights that was passed some time during the war on crime and has a lobbying interest that keeps it not only intact but strengthened. There are so many loopholes it's almost pointless to prosecute without clear video and witnesses.

All in all its a case of a special interest group pushing the pendulum so far in one direction it imbues the blue with the belief that law can be defended to the lowest degree with impunity and absolute discretion. Those that choose to push an already loose legal boundary rarely face civilian-style punishment.

[digitaldeath]

https://twitter.com/nochillposts/sta...72978592186368

[Cono Este]

I think where you have bad cops you can find a pattern of a bad department, bad training and bad hiring.

I just a video of a cop pulling over a 17 yr old for nothing, then shooting him after the kid pulled out his taser. It's way out of control. In any other country, that kid would have made it home for supper, alive and unmolested. He was white so it didn't make the news.

[PNWbrit]

Has this been posted yet.

17 year old shot dead after being stopped for flashing high beams?

[nwslider]

There is far too much discretion within dysfunctional PDs performing ethical/legal reviews on themselves, it's a glaring conflict of interests.

I'm not sure why this isn't talked about more. How many people are going to investigate themselves and then go even further and find themselves guilty of serious wrong doing?

And why would any cop want to investigate one of their coworkers in this way. Either they find nothing, they cover up what they find (not ideal), or they find wrongdoing and bring it forward but then are ostracized by the rest of their colleagues. Win win right

[neufox47]

https://news.vice.com/article/massac...rce=vicenewsfb

Boston getting into the mix. This citizen effectively de-escalated the situation but one can see how eager that cop was to get physical.

[Kinnikinnick]

https://news.vice.com/article/massac...rce=vicenewsfb

Boston getting into the mix. This citizen effectively de-escalated the situation but one can see how eager that cop was to get physical.

That cop is lucky that this kid didn't have a gun and blow a hole in his head. Threatening to blow a hole in someones head? I think that might qualify for self defense when someone says they'll blow a hole in your head and starts charging up the road at you as you back away.

Fucking cops getting caught over and over with their bullshit.

[east or bust]

Thread drift, in the right direction



pretty intense