Police Behaving Badly

[ex-powderbroker]

no, i’m saying i see the facts much differently than you and i think this case builds on the rallying cry of police reform. just because you don’t think it fits in a neat box like george floyd doesn’t mean there isn’t something here when two cops show up on a scene and fail to subdue and he ends up paralyzed.

and there still isn’t evidence of a knife on him despite you saying so repeatedly. they recovered one from the car but it’s not even clear if he was trying to retrieve it or just trying to get away from getting the shit kicked out of him by two cops.

also, being a cop is a hard job. these are tough decisions to make. you can’t fuck up when you decide to escalate situations, and not everyone should be in that line of work.

[jackstraw]

I’ve come across my share of pigs and had a couple first hand powertripping aholes fuck with me.

I was taught at a young age to comply with the cops and never resist or give them any reason to fuck you up, not out of respect but out of self preservation.

Are you a black man? If not, you have no clue what it's like to walk in their shoes when dealing with the police. Complying doesn't always work out when you're black. That has been proven countless times.

[schuss]

just because this case isn’t cut and dry doesn’t mean there isn’t something fishy here. honestly, how competent do the cops seem to you? it seems like he was running away to make the beating stop. not smart, but still no evidence he had a weapon or was reaching for it.

those two cops entered the situation and it escalated out of control. this could be an ‘accident’ in some way but it also shows that not everyone has the nerves, training, or personal skills to be a cop.

Exactly. Professional officers should either be de-escalating or able to bring a suspect under control with non lethal means when they outnumber the suspect and know what they're going into.
Lethal force should only be used if no other options exist and the suspect is armed. There is no point in the video where the cops had their shit together and they used shooting as cover for their inability to do their jobs, which is unacceptable.
I saw something before that they had him on the ground previously - why did they not cuff him or ziptie him? Someone being shit at their job does not give them a free pass to shoot people.

[Kinnikinnick]

I mean you could propose no lethal force policies. Not sure how it works out but start in your voting district and if it works.

But how about you guys start by reading the details. Guy had a knife found in car. Other video than the initial shows cops yelling “drop the knife.”

They very well may be incompetent but not sure that in any way solves the resisting arrest problem. If all anyone needed to do to have the cops let you go was to resist arrest, what criminal woudlnt resist? So no one gets arrested? Or what?

As an independent these circumstances are when some lefters act as much the morons as the righters.

[schuss]

I mean you could propose no lethal force policies.

But how about you guys start by reading the details. Guy had a knife found in car. Other video than the initial shows cops yelling “drop the knife.”

As an independent these circumstances are when some lefters act as much the morons as the righters.

Knife is not a gun. There's a lot of tools in a cops arsenal against a knife wielding person - pepper spray and tackle? They also had ample opportunity pre-car entry that they didn't use.

[jackstraw]

I mean you could propose no lethal force policies. Not sure how it works out but start in your voting district and if it works.

But how about you guys start by reading the details. Guy had a knife found in car. Other video than the initial shows cops yelling “drop the knife.”

They very well may be incompetent but not sure that in any way solves the resisting arrest problem. If all anyone needed to do to have the cops let you go was to resist arrest, what criminal woudlnt resist? So no one gets arrested? Or what?

As an independent these circumstances are when some lefters act as much the morons as the righters.

I'm an independent, so go fuck yourself.

I have a knife in my car. They would not have shot me seven times in the back. How does it go? Never bring a knife to gun fight?
And has anyone actually seen this "knife"? A leatherman, butter knife, or a machete?

[spanghew]

As an independent these circumstances are when some lefters act as much the morons as the righters.

Do you have a badge with a big "I" on it, or a special Independent hat you put on when you have to think for a moment about something? Is there a strict list of parameters you follow when Independently Thinking?

Or you could simply . . . think. Are Police judges, juries and executioners all rolled into one, roaming the street dispensing ad hoc justice-in-a-flash? Did you grow up thinking Robocop was a documentary?

The cop job was to respond to the call, gather information, calm everyone down. If in dealing with a volatile situation things got out of hand, they were supposed to react with intelligence, informed by experience. Even if firing a gun was justified, emptying a gun into a man's back at point-blank range while he's bent over a car seat is some My Lai-level ragegasm. Can your Independent Thinking manage to grok that?

[Self Jupiter]

[mooseknuckle]

If your gun is drawn it does not go away until there is no further threat. That’s the way it works.

[spanghew]

If your gun is drawn it does not go away until there is no further threat. That’s the way it works.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Calley


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[Thaleia]

[MTT]

Knife is not a gun. There's a lot of tools in a cops arsenal against a knife wielding person - pepper spray and tackle? They also had ample opportunity pre-car entry that they didn't use.

This is not true. A knife inside 20 the attacker has a better chance of striking a fatal wound than a trained person with a gun "holstered" There are thousands of training videos out there that demonstrate this. Even if you have your gun out and a committed individual lunges to stab you. You might get shots into them, but still you get cut or stabbed.

If you want to start making judgements about leathal force? Do some research this is not the 6th grade. Humans are fucking dangerous. And cops get called to go from one dangerous human to the next. Life experiences. That said they do not all handle things the same way. But I do know I don't want that job. And probably neither do you

[XXX-er]

You sound like a bunch a virgins trying to explain how to fuck

how many of you have been in a knife fight or killed anyone ?

[spanghew]

If you want to start making judgements about leathal force? Do some research this is not the 6th grade. Humans are fucking dangerous. And cops get called to go from one dangerous human to the next. Life experiences. That said they do not all handle things the same way. But I do know I don't want that job. And probably neither do you

you must have missed the memo--"shit happens" has been rejected as a one-size-fits-all explanation for why Black men get killed for no apparent reason. You might want to google that.

[abraham]

This is not true. A knife inside 20 the attacker has a better chance of striking a fatal wound than a trained person with a gun "holstered" There are thousands of training videos out there that demonstrate this. Even if you have your gun out and a committed individual lunges to stab you. You might get shots into them, but still you get cut or stabbed.

This has been taught for a long time I think.

If you want to start making judgements about leathal force? Do some research this is not the 6th grade. Humans are fucking dangerous. And cops get called to go from one dangerous human to the next. Life experiences. That said they do not all handle things the same way. But I do know I don't want that job. And probably neither do you

ARM THE CASHIERS

[Cono Este]

Still doesn't explain why they couldn't subdue him safely. Also remind me which of those charges has a death penalty attached.

“Subdue him safely”?

The best explanation I’ve heard for that problem is we hire pussies who’ve never been in a school fight and train them over a mere 6 weeks and focus on weapons and tasers.

The reason we need to train them on weapons, is because unlike other parts of the world, our cops face 300 million firearms that could show up at anytime.

Until we do something about that problem, I’m not sure what to expect from them.


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[smartyiak]

Not likely to change anyone's mind, but the police say:

https://www.wispolitics.com/wp-conte...28-2020-PS.pdf

[Harry]

Not likely to change anyone's mind, but the police say:

https://www.wispolitics.com/wp-conte...28-2020-PS.pdf

Of course it’s not going to change anyone’s mind, that is an unofficial statement from “the police”, not an Official Statement from The Police. Big difference.

Note in that statement that there is no proof, one way or the other, about any of the cops actions or Mr. Blake’s actions. It’s just the word of the cops. And cops lie all the time. These cops in Kenosha could wear body cameras to prove their side of the story, but they choose not to. I wonder why that is.

It’s really sad that I am willing to take the word of a random black guy over the word of multiple police officers. Really sad.

America needs to change the way we police our citizens. No other advanced society on earth has cops killing its citizens the way we do.


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[smartyiak]

Of course it’s not going to change anyone’s mind, that is an unofficial statement from “the police”, not an Official Statement from The Police. Big difference.

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I was being glib. I meant: despite new information trickling out, everyone has their mind made up....so what’s the point???




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[muted]

“Take him down”

They tried that.

My wife was trained to take weapons from people for work years ago, she never had or was allowed a gun at work. She has taken weapons successfully before at work from at least one person that was much bigger than her, if I remember right. So I don't see how these cops tried very hard to take him down at all.

[stuckathuntermtn]

You sound like a bunch a virgins trying to explain how to fuck

how many of you have been in a knife fight or killed anyone ?

I've been killed by at least 3 people.

[old goat]

Good, long article about police unions and their power
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...s-fight-reform

[neufox47]

If only there were other democracies that had demonstrated how to have a police force that doesn’t regularly kill people in situations like this.


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[schuss]

“Subdue him safely”?

The best explanation I’ve heard for that problem is we hire pussies who’ve never been in a school fight and train them over a mere 6 weeks and focus on weapons and tasers.

The reason we need to train them on weapons, is because unlike other parts of the world, our cops face 300 million firearms that could show up at anytime.

Until we do something about that problem, I’m not sure what to expect from them.


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So because police departments are irresponsible with their training and qualifications we should be ok with their incompetence killing people?

[dtown]

A lot of monday morning quarterbacking going on in this thread...a few folks seem to be pretty adamant to poke holes in what actions police and/ or victims have taken no matter the circumstance, guess that’s what the internet is for.




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