Police Behaving Badly

[jackstraw]

[smartyiak]

Meanwhile, in Kenosha, WI, this happened at appx 8am this morning:



Were the police behaving badly? I dunno...the narrator says they were.

No Link. Is this the Feds rounding people up this morning? Pretty heavy handed. I bet they have most of them on video commitng crimes in the past. Maybe in multiple town's. Serious trouble.

Quoting myself (and MTT) just for context. This was issued yesterday evening:

[jono]

Ex-cop here: Good video, I disagree with the presenter’s focus on the dudes past criminal history, but the fact he was actively resisting and moved into his car, a place a reasonable person would have a reasonable belief he had a weapon, means the shoot could by justified.

That’s not to say there couldn’t be a lot of things that could have happened better to prevent the situation, but this isn’t a case of “cops shoot black man for being black” as it’s being presented by some.

Second angle has me asking: how does that cop justify following him around to the side of the car and not blocking the opening of the door? If you're so afraid of what's inside, don't let him go inside. I don't see an attempt to lean on the door to keep the guy from opening it. It sure looks like he's right there--he was certainly in position to shoot about 2 seconds later and he had to go around the door to get there.

Failure to de-escalate has serious consequences just now and reasonable people know that. Is the destruction of society intentional or have we empowered a lot of unreasonable people? Or both?

[ex-powderbroker]

so were there some fine people in those trucks?

[simple]

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-wo...-militancy-law

[Ted Striker]

[seano732]

That was awesome. Thanks for posting.

[neufox47]

Quoting myself (and MTT) just for context. This was issued yesterday evening:

Wait, so possessing gasoline, fireworks and protective equipment, not near any active protest, is grounds for arrest on disorderly conduct, but walking around with a loaded firearm at the protest isn’t? We’re doomed.

[old goat]

Second angle has me asking: how does that cop justify following him around to the side of the car and not blocking the opening of the door? If you're so afraid of what's inside, don't let him go inside. I don't see an attempt to lean on the door to keep the guy from opening it. It sure looks like he's right there--he was certainly in position to shoot about 2 seconds later and he had to go around the door to get there.

Failure to de-escalate has serious consequences just now and reasonable people know that. Is the destruction of society intentional or have we empowered a lot of unreasonable people? Or both?

why did the second cop follow the first around the front of the car where he was of no help, rather than running around the back and meeting him at the door? (Trivial of course in the context, but as long as we're second guessing . . . )

[smartyiak]

Wait, so possessing gasoline, fireworks and protective equipment, not near any active protest, is grounds for arrest on disorderly conduct, but walking around with a loaded firearm at the protest isn’t? We’re doomed.

Fun fact: I grew up less than 1mile from the intersection of State Highway 50 and Green Bay Road.

Here's my uninformed guess. The police got a "tip" and located the vehicles. They followed the vehicles to Washington Road and 30th Ave. (which, although only about 5miles apart, it requires effort....in other words: that annoying stop-and-go city (can take 1/2hr to go 5miles) traffic we all seek to avoid. BUT: It was really the out-of-state plates that drew the attention as I believe there was a curfew in effect.

EDIT B/C FORGOT TO TYPE: 30th and Wash. is in the area of the shooting.

While there is no "timestamp" on the Media Release, I'm guessing the stop was based on out-of-state people having no business in the curfew area. I could see a scenario where it was a "preventative" stop and, ultimately, charges are dropped or there are no convictions.

Fun fact #2: Just up Washington Road from 30th is the Washington Park Velodrome, the oldest operating velodrome in the U.S.

[MTT]

Quoting myself (and MTT) just for context. This was issued yesterday evening:

Yep that's what I saw on the TV

[BobMc]

It's from back in March, but I don't think it was posted here.

https://www.abc10.com/article/news/l...c-ddd2255a5a6f

Kinda blows the whole "if you don't resist they won't harm you" thing out of the water. They had the wrong guy, kick him in the back, arrest him, and charge him with "resisting" arrest.

[seano732]

It's from back in March, but I don't think it was posted here.

https://www.abc10.com/article/news/l...c-ddd2255a5a6f

Kinda blows the whole "if you don't resist they won't harm you" thing out of the water. They had the wrong guy, kick him in the back, arrest him, and charge him with "resisting" arrest.

Just saw that on the Twitter....What in the actual fuck.

[BobMc]

Just saw that on the Twitter....What in the actual fuck.

That's where I saw it as well, at first I thought it had to be a Reno 911 outtake. Researched it and, no, it's real.

[schuss]

It's from back in March, but I don't think it was posted here.

https://www.abc10.com/article/news/l...c-ddd2255a5a6f

Kinda blows the whole "if you don't resist they won't harm you" thing out of the water. They had the wrong guy, kick him in the back, arrest him, and charge him with "resisting" arrest.

Did you miss where they teargassed pregnant women?

[Cono Este]

Apparently he had a knife, a warrant for felony sexual assault, put an officer in a head lock and had a car full of kids.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.new...outputType=amp

But let him go, maybe it will work out.




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[schuss]

Apparently he had a knife, a warrant for felony sexual assault, put an officer in a head lock and had a car full of kids.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.new...outputType=amp

But let him go, maybe it will work out.




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Still doesn't explain why they couldn't subdue him safely. Also remind me which of those charges has a death penalty attached.

[old goat]

It's from back in March, but I don't think it was posted here.

https://www.abc10.com/article/news/l...c-ddd2255a5a6f

Kinda blows the whole "if you don't resist they won't harm you" thing out of the water. They had the wrong guy, kick him in the back, arrest him, and charge him with "resisting" arrest.

Knowing Sheriff Doug Jones, the "appropriate action" taken was probably a medal. Jones is a real piece of work. Refuses to release personnel records in situations where civilians are hurt as required by state law and in defiance of a court order.

[Kinnikinnick]

Still doesn't explain why they couldn't subdue him safely. Also remind me which of those charges has a death penalty attached.

So what should these cops have done after a they came into contact with this guy with an outstanding rape warrant who resisted arrest, put a cop in headlock, not gone down from a taser, has a knife, fought off three cops, ran around the car and started to get in the car to either get a weapon or to drive off?

[ill-advised strategy]

So what should these cops have done after a they came into contact with this guy with an outstanding rape warrant who resisted arrest, put a cop in headlock, not gone down from a taser, has a knife, fought off three cops, ran around the car and started to get in the car to either get a weapon or to drive off?

It’s not one on one. Take him down. The answer to “we’re having a hard time arresting a guy” isn’t “fuck it, empty your clip into his back”.

Ask any prison guard how to handle an aggressive guy who maybe could stab you...if that wasn’t a standard training thing, there would be 100 shootings a day in the prisons.

Holy shit. Come on man.

[Kinnikinnick]

It’s not one on one. Take him down. The answer to “we’re having a hard time arresting a guy” isn’t “fuck it, empty your clip into his back”.

Ask any prison guard how to handle an aggressive guy who maybe could stab you...if that wasn’t a standard training thing, there would be 100 shootings a day in the prisons.

Holy shit. Come on man.

“Take him down”

They tried that.

[ill-advised strategy]

I can’t sit here and argue this out with you.

May karma send an incompetent, twitchy, lying, shitbird cop into your life. That’s probably the only way you’ll learn.

[Kinnikinnick]

I can’t sit here and argue this out with you.

May karma send an incompetent, twitchy, lying, shitbird cop into your life. That’s probably the only way you’ll learn.

I’ve come across my share of pigs and had a couple first hand powertripping aholes fuck with me.

I was taught at a young age to comply with the cops and never resist or give them any reason to fuck you up, not out of respect but out of self preservation.

I dont know what the full set of answers to rehab the police system is, but being a rape suspect with warrant outstanding and fighting the cops, having a knife, and trying to flee or get something from the car is a way to get killed.

I’m all for the little guy and stopping systemic racism and Police abuse but there gets to a point where the guy is simply likely to get this response.

When people use these situations as a rallying cry, it undermines the positive direction of the movement. Reasonable people see that this isnt the cut and dry police brutality/racism story and the movement loses much credibility.

Michael Brown robbed a store and assaulted a cop and then moved threateningly back toward cop.

Blake was legitimately being arrestes but fought back, assaulted a cop, had a weapon, and would have reasonably been considered a threat.

Floyd was murdered as he was cuffed and under control.

Stay with the cases that are cut and dry abuse, not like they aren't plenty of those to rally around.

[ex-powderbroker]

just because this case isn’t cut and dry doesn’t mean there isn’t something fishy here. honestly, how competent do the cops seem to you? it seems like he was running away to make the beating stop. not smart, but still no evidence he had a weapon or was reaching for it.

those two cops entered the situation and it escalated out of control. this could be an ‘accident’ in some way but it also shows that not everyone has the nerves, training, or personal skills to be a cop.

[Kinnikinnick]

just because this case isn’t cut and dry doesn’t mean there isn’t something fishy here. honestly, how competent do the cops seem to you? it seems like he was running away to make the beating stop. not smart, but still no evidence he had a weapon or was reaching for it.

those two cops entered the situation and it escalated out of control. this could be an ‘accident’ in some way but it also shows that not everyone has the nerves, training, or personal skills to be a cop.

You didnt say anything really