Fuel Prices.

[XXX-er]

A shop teacher told us during WWII there was fuel for tractors on the farm but it was rationed and illegal to burn on the road so they would weld up the bottom of the fuel filler, put some unmarked RUG in the filler to make it thru a fuel check and there was a 2nd remote filler somewhere on the vehical where they filled up with the illegal fuel

[MagnificentUnicorn]

A shop teacher told us during WWII there was fuel for tractors on the farm but it was rationed and illegal to burn on the road so they would weld up the bottom of the fuel filler, put some unmarked RUG in the filler to make it thru a fuel check and there was a 2nd remote filler somewhere on the vehical where they filled up with the illegal fuel

Don’t think regular unleaded was a thing during WWII. Maybe your shop teacher liked to tell stories.


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[XXX-er]

ok i made the mistake on calling it RUG so it would have been regular gas, but whats amazing is you couldn't figure that out yourself , the point was they fooled the gas police of the day

[MagnificentUnicorn]

ok i made the mistake on calling it RUG so it would have been regular gas, but whats amazing is you couldn't figure that out yourself , the point was they fooled the gas police of the day

Sounds like a good story


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[Djongo Unchained]

In Jh:

$3.82 RUG

$4.19 DZL

Man, I wish the diesel would level off lower; the TDI averaged 44.7 mpg the other day so I got that goin' for me.

The regular gas old pathy tho, it gets about 15mpg, downhill, w/a tailwind.

[Cisco Kid]

Oddly, diesel here is 40c cheaper than Reg lately. If you call $4.49 cheap. Washington is kicking itself in the nuts.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

WA gas prices are right where they should be


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[phatty]

WA gas prices are right where they should be


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No they aren't. WA fuel taxes are ridiculous and even the state politicians know it. That's why they are all backing away from the bill that jacked them up and trying to figure out what to do. Inslee is trying to pretend he didn't push it as hard as he did because everyone is pissed.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Fuel should be expensive. People will drive less if it hurts. People need to get out of their cars. Ride share, carpool, bus, Sounder whatever.

The politicians care because people are whining. They thought it was fine when things were booming but facing reelection they backslide. I get that you don’t agree, how are the high fuel prices impacting you?


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[Cocximus]

Yes and no. Sure fuel should be expensive to discourage driving, but north america really doesn't have good alternatives.

Does anyone know why diesel was more than regular for the last few years and now it's beach to being cheaper?

[BCMtnHound]

Does anyone know why diesel was more than regular for the last few years and now it's beach to being cheaper?

Not positive on the level of impact, but Europe’s need for diesel and the issues with fuel supply as a result of Russia’s aggression with Ukraine contributed to the rise in the world prices for the fuel. Alternate sourcing and market corrections like refinery capacity have now caught up to increased demand?

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Yes and no. Sure fuel should be expensive to discourage driving, but north america really doesn't have good alternatives.

Does anyone know why diesel was more than regular for the last few years and now it's beach to being cheaper?

Free market capitalism?


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[XXX-er]

Not positive on the level of impact, but Europe’s need for diesel and the issues with fuel supply as a result of Russia’s aggression with Ukraine contributed to the rise in the world prices for the fuel. Alternate sourcing and market corrections like refinery capacity have now caught up to increased demand?

wow, this ain't no " Bob in the lunch room " rant

isnt the price of petro highly subsidised by the gov of USA ?

[BCMtnHound]

wow, this ain't no " Bob in the lunch room " rant

isnt the price of petro highly subsidised by the gov of USA ?

More subsidized than in our neck of the woods certainly (or at the least far less taxed).
Diesel for petro fuel has far greater demand in Europe than NA, coupled with seasonal demand for winter heating fuel back east and northern Canada. Not sure the numbers, but looking at news and the like a year ago, the issues with sanctioned Russian supply in Europe seemed to be the biggest factor in the high price of diesel compared to RUG.

But maybe there was another impact - like a butterfly flapping its wings in the Gulf of Mexico, or ‘unscheduled’ maintenance in a refinery in Timbuktu - that caused ‘global market rates’ for fuel to jump in price. This being The TRG, there are experts (like real petro dudes, not just dentists on summer vacation) lurking that likely know the real answer - would love to hear them chime in.

[XXX-er]

More subsidized than in our neck of the woods

This being The TRG, there are experts (like real petro dudes, not just dentists on summer vacation) lurking that likely know the real answer - would love to hear them chime in.

exactly ^^ we need > a bob in the lunch room

IME when I ran diesel 20 yars ago it was always 50 cents a litre cheaper and it made sense but if RUG was the same price it would not make a busines case, also i was always one very big repair bill away from a negative balance

[byates1]

No they aren't. WA fuel taxes are ridiculous and even the state politicians know it. That's why they are all backing away from the bill that jacked them up and trying to figure out what to do. Inslee is trying to pretend he didn't push it as hard as he did because everyone is pissed.

Gotta pay for all the free drugs, needles, phones, free money for all the junkies somehow.

[Cisco Kid]

brain worms. Have another hit....... Of fresh air.

[byates1]

i'm just needling. i wish i could pay outrageous taxes, i just haven't gotten around to it yet..

[Trackhead]

Rode my bike to the top of the biggest open pit mine in the world the other day. Impressive, but couldn’t help but wonder are these huge mines the alternative to fossil fuels? Does lithium mining look like this? I’m not an EV expert but I think a lotta folks driving them likely aren’t considered where and how that lithium was obtained.

[Norseman]

In To The PIT

[NBABUCKS1]

Rode my bike to the top of the biggest open pit mine in the world the other day. Impressive, but couldn’t help but wonder are these huge mines the alternative to fossil fuels? Does lithium mining look like this? I’m not an EV expert but I think a lotta folks driving them likely aren’t considered where and how that lithium was obtained.

lithium mining looks very different. It's a bunch of evaporation ponds.

A bunch of images here: https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C...bih=1279&dpr=1

Now the other minerals used in the batteries, motors that may look similar to that in some degree.

60 minutes story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApxGBJJH0jw

The lithium is in solution.

[Trackhead]

But aren’t a percentage of mines open pit and not evaporative? Where’s the water coming from for proposed Nevada mine? They are already out of water.

[teleee]

Isn’t lithium a pretty similar process to any other other mining process? Mined from ore (which will always involve a pit and digging? I think it is pretty similar to the gold mining process. Ore is mined, crushed, roasted and then leached out in bid leach ponds. Unless I am completely wrong, which I could be. But If you are going to process ore you need to dig it out, regardless of what type of mineral it is.


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[NBABUCKS1]

But aren’t a percentage of mines open pit and not evaporative? Where’s the water coming from for proposed Nevada mine? They are already out of water.

You asked about Lithium. Lithium is evaporative. They certainly do have to do dig up ore in some instances but I don't think it would be at a scale of the Bingham canyon mine (you are using the most extreme example of open pit mine as you noted). Both are going to have a footprint to some degree, pick your poison.

If you watch that 60 mins video you'll see they are grabbing brine from deep in the earth. Here I linked to the time stamp: https://youtu.be/ApxGBJJH0jw?t=288

[teleee]

You asked about Lithium. Lithium is evaporative. They certainly do have to do dig up ore in some instances but I don't think it would be at a scale of the Bingham canyon mine (you are using the most extreme example of open pit mine as you noted). Both are going to have a footprint to some degree, pick your poison.

If you watch that 60 mins video you'll see they are grabbing brine from deep in the earth. Here I linked to the time stamp: https://youtu.be/ApxGBJJH0jw?t=288

That is one type of lithium mining - open pit is another and is currently the most common.


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