What's Blizzard up to?

[CaliBrit]

New spur is based of OG Spur shape but that’s it. Construction is very different. You nailed it that the original Spur went fast in untracked snow really well but anything else and it was a lot of ski. Really hard to shut down, maneuver and adapt to changing snow conditions.

OG Spur was too torsionally stiff in the tip and tail and would just get too locked in. New one is not nearly as stiff and is also a bit lighter in overall construction. Similar shape and rocker profile but a construction that lets you check speed and adapt to tighter more variable snow conditions.

What’s this Concept Spur??

[lrn2swim]

You nailed it that the original Spur went fast in untracked snow really well but anything else and it was a lot of ski. Really hard to shut down, maneuver and adapt to changing snow conditions.

OG Spur was too torsionally stiff in the tip and tail and would just get too locked in.

Lots of people seem to say this but I just don't get it. Maybe it's because I have mine at +1.5 or so and have filed the hell out of the tapered areas, but I have no problem pivoting them in tight terrain or managing mixed conditions.

I've said this before on here but I skied them for 8 straight days in tight Japan trees and use them often in heavy PNW snow and they RIP groomers. Maybe some people's OG Spurs are railed making them unwieldy?

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[roQer]

New spur is based of OG Spur shape but that’s it. Construction is very different. You nailed it that the original Spur went fast in untracked snow really well but anything else and it was a lot of ski. Really hard to shut down, maneuver and adapt to changing snow conditions.

OG Spur was too torsionally stiff in the tip and tail and would just get too locked in. New one is not nearly as stiff and is also a bit lighter in overall construction. Similar shape and rocker profile but a construction that lets you check speed and adapt to tighter more variable snow conditions.

I dunno. I remember the OG Spur being quite versatile for a ski this wide. Ripping powder in big arcs in open terrain was preferred style, sure, but anything else was doable as well.
As much as I’d like to give the new Spur a try I’m afraid the width of 127 mm in 189 length is just to much for my knees outside of untracked powder.

[tuco]

^^129mm@189cm

[aanev]

Can someone share insights on how the black Blizzard Spur(19/20) compares with the current On3p Cease and Desist? At least on paper they seem pretty similar.

[PNW-skier78]

No, last year was its last. Corbetts in CA had some - $425 new, flat, IIRC.
Totally wicked ski. I picked up a pair from a local CL listing in 186 this year, and I'm going to ski them till one of us dies.
(I hope it's the Bodacious that goes first, but it will still be a sad day!)
They were the black top-sheet version - I love that look too.

Those things are so awesome.

Thanks. Do you know if the new black version is full rocker or if it has a touch of camber like the green ones.


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[DeathVan]

196 Bodacious, Wish You Were Here Edition

[tuco]

Thanks. Do you know if the new black version is full rocker or if it has a touch of camber like the green ones.


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Blacks are rc, just like OG

[snowaddict91]

Blacks are rc, just like OG

The OGs have just the slightest bit of camber, no?

[Gweilo]

New green spur has a slight bit of camber. Bit less than the Rustler 11 but with softer tips and tails I suspect that ski has played a part in the new take.

[tuco]

The OGs have just the slightest bit of camber, no?

Not sure. The 2 pair(186 w red
and lettering and black 196) I have, I thought were very slight full reverse. My skis aren't where I am so I can't look.
WB?
Edit: snowaddict is correct, slight camber

[volklpowdermaniac]

Seems like the spur and bodacious convos started to merge

I’m looking at my reissue OG spurs with black top sheet from 2020. - flat/rc underfoot

Green Spurs I don’t know- seems like they sort of are a mash up of the construction of the concept spur (the asymm weird ones) and the OG spur shapec, construction of the former with shape of the latter?

[HAB]

Seems like the spur and bodacious convos started to merge

I’m looking at my reissue OG spurs with black top sheet from 2020. - flat/rc underfoot

You mean "reissue OG Bodes" right?

Both my pairs of Bodacious (black reissues and actual first gens) are flat underfoot.

[whyturn]

So I have the rustler 11 and really like it. Lately wanted more float in recent storm cycle. So I broke out the evogear $250 special asymmetrical black spurs

Like most other mags I like my protests, Lhasa fats and billy goats. Like to ski forward and not turn so much Usually 30-35 meter directional 190 ish skis that are 125 or so underfoot.

Skied them in 2-3 feet of some low angle and steeper tree runs. Also long fire road run outs.

They carve rails and run flat at high speed on the way back to the lift. Great in anything soft and lightning quick. It just feels like a fatter underfoot rustler 11. Tips are light and tails release quick. Rocker keeps you up.

Funny that rustler 11 is 142/114/132 in 188 with 21 m radius.

Spur is 144/124/134 with 26/30 meter radius in 192.

It’s not planky and stupid easy to ski. Very stable.

I can compare it to OG spur. The OG spur is also stupid easy to ski. More big mtn alpine powder ski. Kills crud better and goes to 11

New spur is quicker in trees and not as quite as stable in the open chop. But it’s still quite stable at high speed. Feels quicker and lighter so you lose some of the roll over anything of old spur. But also it’s less work cause it can be shut down easier.

I have both Spurs and they do different things.

Very impressed with rustler 11 and impaler spur.


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[CaliBrit]

So I have the rustler 11 and really like it. Lately wanted more float in recent storm cycle. So I broke out the evogear $250 special asymmetrical black spurs

Like most other mags I like my protests, Lhasa fats and billy goats. Like to ski forward and not turn so much Usually 30-35 meter directional 190 ish skis that are 125 or so underfoot.

Skied them in 2-3 feet of some low angle and steeper tree runs. Also long fire road run outs.

They carve rails and run flat at high speed on the way back to the lift. Great in anything soft and lightning quick. It just feels like a fatter underfoot rustler 11. Tips are light and tails release quick. Rocker keeps you up.

Funny that rustler 11 is 142/114/132 in 188 with 21 m radius.

Spur is 144/124/134 with 26/30 meter radius in 192.

It’s not planky and stupid easy to ski. Very stable.

I can compare it to OG spur. The OG spur is also stupid easy to ski. More big mtn alpine powder ski. Kills crud better and goes to 11

New spur is quicker in trees and not as quite as stable in the open chop. But it’s still quite stable at high speed. Feels quicker and lighter so you lose some of the roll over anything of old spur. But also it’s less work cause it can be shut down easier.

I have both Spurs and they do different things.

Very impressed with rustler 11 and impaler spur.


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Dude $250! I’d take them on a flyer in a heartbeat.

Sounds like Praxis pow boards with less downside.

[whyturn]

Dude $250! I’d take them on a flyer in a heartbeat.

Sounds like Praxis pow boards with less downside.

Technically they were 262.69 with tax. Someone posted a PSA and I did not hesitate. I was concerned based on reviews but people say they hate the protest so reviews are relative.

They are not like anything else is have. They have that quick and light tip feel of the rustler. They run flat and carve like rustler. But they float way better and are balanced well. It’s a great ski. I read a lot of negative reviews on TGR and completely disagree. They are a quiver ski and stoked that the shop tech got fks 3-4 mm risers for forza clamps to clear the rails.

They look like weapons, not skis. But they are easy and still pretty stable. Closest ski is actually the rustler 11.

Protest is more damp, billy goat and OG spur are more charge and Lhasa fat is more scalpel.


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[CaliBrit]

Technically they were 262.69 with tax. Someone posted a PSA and I did not hesitate. I was concerned based on reviews but people say they hate the protest so reviews are relative.

They are not like anything else is have. They have that quick and light tip feel of the rustler. They run flat and carve like rustler. But they float way better and are balanced well. It’s a great ski. I read a lot of negative reviews on TGR and completely disagree. They are a quiver ski and stoked that the shop tech got fks 3-4 mm risers for forza clamps to clear the rails.

They look like weapons, not skis. But they are easy and still pretty stable. Closest ski is actually the rustler 11.

Protest is more damp, billy goat and OG spur are more charge and Lhasa fat is more scalpel.


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Nice. Well anyone who grabbed a $250 pair and wants to turn a modest profit then hit me up. I’ll take em.

[wasatchback]

The original Spur (year 1 white graphics, year 2 black graphics) is actually what spawned the Rustler series as a reaction to a lot of feedback from people on the Spur. We work with the Rendezvous folks in AK as many of you know. When we brought them the first gen white Spur to test in Jackson before the crew headed north the guides loved them. However once they got them up there they started to struggle. Said they were amazing at speed, but if snow conditions changed or if they needed to check speed it was really difficult. Some of the guides went as far as to 45 the sidewalls in the tip and tail to try to soften them torsionally.

Basically the skis were too torsionally stiff at the tip and tail (especially the tail). The bidirectional Carbon was making the ends of the ski too strong so in deeper snow they just hung on too long. Was hard to get them to release. Working with a lot of feedback from the guides at ARG and a few athletes the idea for Rustler was born, as almost the antithesis of the OG Spur. Rustler (and Asym spur) are designed to be much more torisionally soft in the tip and tail but not necessarily soft longitudinally. These skis use Unidirectional carbon to reinforce the rocker profile but let the ends of the skis twist more. They don’t flap at speed but release and smear much much easier.

Asym Spur is a Rustler 11 Construction with a shorter metal piece. I’ve had some of my best resort pow days on that ski. It’s so fun and easy and playful. Almost gets better as the snow gets tracked up. However in wide open terrain at speed (and especially if the snow is dense at all) they start to get a bit weird. Because they’re so soft the tips start to flex a ton and then the sidecut does some weird shit. I’ve skied it Cat Skiing and in AK and both times I swapped for a 192 R11 right away. I love them in resort, in tight trees, in cut up pow, etc. I hate them at speed in wide open terrain. I think a lot of people thought they’d be like the first gen when they’re not at all.

Green Spur has no metal DRT piece like Asym. I don’t believe it has any unidirectional carbon in the tips and tails either. I’ll have to look again though. It’s an even lighter construction with tapered top sheet/sidewalls to make them lighter and a bit softer. Long low rocker profile similar to gen 1.

[PNW-skier78]

You mean "reissue OG Bodes" right?

Both my pairs of Bodacious (black reissues and actual first gens) are flat underfoot.

Thanks. I have the 2nd gen that ran for one year before they added the carbon and it has a tiny bit if camber. If have discontinued it, I think I am going to have to look for a pair of the reissued OG. Its one of the most versatile skis ever made.


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[Bandit Man]

The original Spur (year 1 white graphics, year 2 black graphics) is actually what spawned the Rustler series as a reaction to a lot of feedback from people on the Spur. We work with the Rendezvous folks in AK as many of you know. When we brought them the first gen white Spur to test in Jackson before the crew headed north the guides loved them. However once they got them up there they started to struggle. Said they were amazing at speed, but if snow conditions changed or if they needed to check speed it was really difficult. Some of the guides went as far as to 45 the sidewalls in the tip and tail to try to soften them torsionally.

Basically the skis were too torsionally stiff at the tip and tail (especially the tail). The bidirectional Carbon was making the ends of the ski too strong so in deeper snow they just hung on too long. Was hard to get them to release. Working with a lot of feedback from the guides at ARG and a few athletes the idea for Rustler was born, as almost the antithesis of the OG Spur. Rustler (and Asym spur) are designed to be much more torisionally soft in the tip and tail but not necessarily soft longitudinally. These skis use Unidirectional carbon to reinforce the rocker profile but let the ends of the skis twist more. They don’t flap at speed but release and smear much much easier.

Asym Spur is a Rustler 11 Construction with a shorter metal piece. I’ve had some of my best resort pow days on that ski. It’s so fun and easy and playful. Almost gets better as the snow gets tracked up. However in wide open terrain at speed (and especially if the snow is dense at all) they start to get a bit weird. Because they’re so soft the tips start to flex a ton and then the sidecut does some weird shit. I’ve skied it Cat Skiing and in AK and both times I swapped for a 192 R11 right away. I love them in resort, in tight trees, in cut up pow, etc. I hate them at speed in wide open terrain. I think a lot of people thought they’d be like the first gen when they’re not at all.

Green Spur has no metal DRT piece like Asym. I don’t believe it has any unidirectional carbon in the tips and tails either. I’ll have to look again though. It’s an even lighter construction with tapered top sheet/sidewalls to make them lighter and a bit softer. Long low rocker profile similar to gen 1.

Awesome “behind the scenes” backstory on the Rustler 11 roots. All of my buddies have purchased Rustler 11’s and it tends to be be our favorite travel and resort powder ski.

[Spooky]

Lots of people seem to say this but I just don't get it. Maybe it's because I have mine at +1.5 or so and have filed the hell out of the tapered areas, but I have no problem pivoting them in tight terrain or managing mixed conditions.

I've said this before on here but I skied them for 8 straight days in tight Japan trees and use them often in heavy PNW snow and they RIP groomers. Maybe some people's OG Spurs are railed making them unwieldy?

I couldn't agree more. The OG Spur is my favourite ski - the best possible mix of a fat, stiff charger that is also easy to smear, pivot and jump turn on (Mine are +2 with detuned tis & tails). It definitely invites high speed in big, open terrain and and it's not my favourite skis in trees but I can happily ski it in resort all day long if there's some fresh. Definitely divides opinion though.

[Fred Pabst]

Question for Wasatchback. Starting to see a trend towards the 110ish underfoot as becoming the ultimate allrounder. Any idea if Blizzard plans to maybe fill this niche? Thinking lovechild between the cochise and R11.

[roQer]

I couldn't agree more. The OG Spur is my favourite ski - the best possible mix of a fat, stiff charger that is also easy to smear, pivot and jump turn on (Mine are +2 with detuned tis & tails). It definitely invites high speed in big, open terrain and and it's not my favourite skis in trees but I can happily ski it in resort all day long if there's some fresh. Definitely divides opinion though.

Fully agree to this. The asym Spur was great in untouched powder but kinda funky in steep technical terrain. Whereas I enjoyed skiing for example alpine spines on the OG Spur, I never had the confidence to take the asym Spur to this kind of terrain. The end of the story, I sold the asym Spurs and lost one of my white OG Spurs in a sluff slide on one of those spines. Had to be evacuated from the bottom of the spine with a heli with a dislocated shoulder after tomahawking down the rest of the spine. The ski has been never seen again.

[Caucasian Asian]

Question for Wasatchback. Starting to see a trend towards the 110ish underfoot as becoming the ultimate allrounder. Any idea if Blizzard plans to maybe fill this niche? Thinking lovechild between the cochise and R11.

I think a 100mm OG Bodacious would be tits.

[HAB]

I think a 100mm OG Bodacious would be tits.

I might go a touch wider than that, but a skinny one would be full "shut up and take my money" status for me. I love the OG, but see them more as a fat all mountain/big mountain ski, that isn't actually that great as a dedicated powder ski for how wide it is, and a, say, 106mm version sounds like an incredible soft chop/variable condition charger for me.


Of course, it doesn't seem like the reissue of the OG sold very well, and there's likely not enough of a market to justify it, but I can dream, right?