
Originally Posted by
powfiend
As someone who enjoys both touring and sled touring I don't understand why people are upset by a little noise.
What don't you understand about people being upset by the noise? They're upset by the noise. What else is there to understand? People don't like having to breathe second-hand smoke and smell like it so you have smoking sections and smoke-free environments because it's almost impossible to otherwise mitigate the impact of one group's behavior on another except through segregation. Minimizing people's concern ("a little noise") or disregarding their concerns is not a solution.

Originally Posted by
powfiend
Most areas that are good for sledding are boring for skiing and most areas in Tahoe that are good for skiing would be extremely difficult to sled. If someone chooses to use a sled to access terrain that's a hassle to access by foot it is their choice. Why fight them because you choose to do things differently.
It's lucky that there are areas that lend themselves more to one activity than the other so there is some de facto segregation, without which we'd probably have more conflict and restriction.

Originally Posted by
powfiend
It's funny how bigoted the environmentalist are when it comes to things they don't agree with.
Why do I feel a big blast of projection coming on?

Originally Posted by
powfiend
Yet if you were to look at their whole environmental envelope of those types
There it is. Right after accusing someone else of bigotry. But I think there's more...

Originally Posted by
powfiend
They are usually the ones with several houses, multiple vehicles, who drive several hours each weekend to backcounty ski "sustainably".
Do you paint houses? You use a pretty broad brush.

Originally Posted by
powfiend
Im pretty sure the 3 or 4 tanks of gas I put in my sled annually is far less of an environmental impact than heating a mostly empty second home or driving 6 hours every weekend for 4 months.
In my experience, when someone uses a straw man, it's a sign they do not understand (intentionally or not) what they are opposing. Everyone's time is better spent trying to empathize and understand what the other users in the BC are trying to make happen. I understand the sledders' feeling that they may become more restricted because we all dislike something getting taken away from us. I wonder whether anyone has a better solution than segregation to the human-powered crowd's desire for an experience free of air and noise pollution and the discomfort of sleds' speed in proximity to walkers. I mean a different solution than "you can already hear the road so get over it."
Even sometimes when I'm snowboarding I'm like "Hey I'm snowboarding! Because I suck dick, I'm snowboarding!" --Dan Savage
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