What a terrible situation

[Greydon Clark]

And since this thread started thousands of Africans, many children, have died of starvation.
But that's nothing that would prompt Congress or Bush to act. Or the media to cover it.

Dexter, African’s have voices and can think, thus it is much harder for media whores to hitch their political agenda to their suffering. Human vegetables are the prefect proxy.

For example check out the load of horse shit spewed by Tony Alamo, aka, The Schiavo Spammer. This motherfucker is sending thousands of emails on behalf of Terri Schiavo, yet has never meet her. Rot in hell fucker.

[Greydon Clark]

Tony Alamo
World Pastor
Tony Alamo Christian Ministries
PO Box 6467
Texarkana, Texas 75505
(479) 782-7370

Letter from Tony Alamo on behalf of Terri Schiavo
Dear Sir,

Anyone watching Terri Schiavo being dealt with in this inhumane, satanic way and agrees with it and does nothing about it, is just as sick and guilty in the eyes of God as the demonic, depraved government agencies that are doing it and enforcing it.
God uses His chosen people on earth to show His life-giving power, His life-giving strength. When all seems hopeless, there is hope with God. “By [My] stripes ye were healed” are the truthful words of the living God (I Pet. 2:24). If I am permitted to spend some time in the room with Terri Schiavo (her father and brother can be there or anyone else as long as there are no distractions), I know that if I were permitted to talk to her and explain to her the things that God has already provided for her, such as salvation and healing, and if I were permitted to pray with her for her, I know that she would be healed. I’ve done this before with people who seemingly were hopeless.
God never says, “Kill the sick.” God never says, “Starve the sick to death.” Rather, He says pray for them, “and they shall recover” (Mark 16:18). What Mr. Schiavo and the U.S. government is doing is the exact opposite of what the Good Samaritan did when a man was almost dead.
Mrs. Schiavo has been suffering for years only because of her ignorance of the Word of God, which plainly states, “By [My] stripes ye were healed” (I Pet. 2:24). It’s already done. So many people, even Christians, are not knowledgeable of the Word of God, which tells of all the beautiful and powerful things that God has already provided for us. That’s why we are commanded to read the Scriptures for ourselves and learn of the Lord for He is good and merciful. Someone has to teach these truths to the people of the world; otherwise, they needlessly suffer and die.
The authorities have become like animals. They believe that it’s merciful to starve someone to death, to murder them. This should never be done to a dog, let alone a human being who is created in the image and likeness of God. In World War II the Nazi doctrine was to put everyone to death that they thought was not beneficial to society, such as the mentally handicapped, the aged, and the mongoloid, and now their doctrine is sweeping the entire world: Anything to save a buck and anything to stop the gospel, the Word of God, from being preached and taught that these people might be saved, healed, and not destroyed.
Our merciful God’s desire is that we sow mercy into the world that we may reap mercy in return. According to God’s Word, Mrs. Schiavo has already been healed. She only needs to hear the Scriptures that show her this fact.
The people in government and the entire world have been deceived into believing that starving people to death is merciful. It will save the taxpayer money. Why not let me witness to her and pray for her so that she is able to take up her bed and get out of the hospital alive? There’s a book written entitled, How to Get Out of the Hospital Alive. The only way there is to do this, in this case, is to let me enter the room with her family there and anyone else, so I can tell her that God has already provided healing for her.
Recently I prayed for a man who the doctors said had less than an hour to live. His mouth was filled with a tumor as big as a lemon, and a tumor in his brain was so large that it was pushing one of his eyes out of his head. The man now belongs to God. He’s alive and happy. This incident occurred more than sixty or seventy days ago. There are thousands of testimonies like this. This glorifies God. Of course the Roman Catholic government and media are not looking to exalt God or give God glory. The things that the people in this world are doing today are absolutely insane, and if they are not of the devil, what more could they do to prove they are of the devil?
There are many people in the secular government and throughout the world that would be saved and healed if miracles like this were printed and broadcast in the media rather than watching the man in Rome sitting on a balcony, waving his hand or a wand at people. He has his reward. It’s obvious that the Vatican and all religions do not believe God, but I do. Mark 16:17-18 states, “These signs shall follow them that believe; In My name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; THEY SHALL LAY HANDS ON THE SICK, AND THEY SHALL RECOVER.” God gives this power to those who believe all His Word. Christ is the Word of God (Rev. 19:13). “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ [the Word of God], and thou shalt be saved [and healed]” (Acts 16:31).

Every human body was created by God to be temples for Him to live in. “Know ye not that ye are the temple of God” “and ye are not your own?” (I Cor. 3:16, 6:19) So our bodies don’t belong to us, they belong to God. They are His temple to live in. “If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are” (I Cor. 3:17). It is a cardinal crime to commit suicide or to assist anyone to commit suicide. Everyone is commanded to trust God who raises the dead. It looked hopeless for approximately three million Jews when God delivered them from Egypt. When they were boxed in and at the Red Sea, the entire Egyptian army was hot in pursuit to destroy them all. God opened the Red Sea and delivered them. The foolish Egyptians thought that God would allow them to go through the Red Sea on dry land as well. That was a mistake. The water fell on them and they all died. It was hopeless, but God is the God of miracles. God wants to open the door, the Red Sea, for Mrs. Schiavo. Aren’t you curious to see if He will?

We are not to live by our opinions or ideas. Our opinions and ideas, the Word of God indicates, is of Satan. We have the Word of God in this world which tells us the right way to go. What I’ve written here is not my opinion or my idea. It’s the Word of God. The Roman cult, its “new world order,” and its media are soon to be punished eternally for its blatant disregard for God’s Word, God’s people, and all humanity.

The media has painted me to be a Catholic hater, yet the woman whose life and soul I’m fighting for is a Catholic. What’s happening on television and in the media today is that Rome, the new world order, and the mouth of Satan, the media, is attempting to condition the world into believing that it’s all right to kill someone if they’re sick, including family members. According to God even if they will to die, someone who knows God should be allowed to pray for them, to raise them up from their sick bed. Then if God takes their life, at least there was an attempt made to follow God’s perfect instructions. If that woman’s soul goes into eternity unsaved, she will be in Hell. So the ones responsible for murdering her are not only condemned for murdering her but for sending her soul to Hell before she had an opportunity to repent and believe the Gospel.

I and my church are praying that at least one of you who has any ability to save this woman’s life that you repent before it’s too late for you. The Lord is very capable of extracting the spirit out of your body by just telling it to come out, and if He does, your soul will be in Hell for eternity. And in the end Hell with you and Satan in it will be cast into the lake of fire (Rev. 20:14-15). I’ve done what the Lord has told me to do. I’ve delivered my soul with this message unto you. I’m off the hook with God, but you’re not unless you make a difference, unless you follow the dictates of this message. At least read this message to the world that they might pray for her soul and that her health is recovered in the name of Jesus of Nazareth, the Son of the living God.
Again, anyone watching Terri Schiavo being dealt with in this inhumane, satanic way and agrees with it and does nothing about it, is just as sick and guilty in the eyes of God as the demonic, depraved government agencies that are doing it and enforcing it.

[extreeski]

The taxpayers have been picking up the majority of the tab for the past 15 years.

Exactly.

the millions of dollars spent to keep her alive after her brain stopped working properly could have been spent on health care for poor people and children who need to be kept healthy. Instead, the cost of health care goes up.

Finally, terry schiavo is at peace.

The pro lifers need to get a life.

She felt no pain as she was dying because the part of her brain that experiences pain was no longer working.

And



Satan Rules!!!!!!! (Warren Haynes, guitar master)

[meatdrink9]

Don't forget the fact that by keeping her alive we may be allowing Satan's army to conquer Heaven.

I heart south park.

"They aren't killing him...they're letting him die."

"They aren't playing God....attaching someone who would've died naturally to a hoard of machines is playing God."

[Dexter Rutecki]

you'd think the place where civilization started would have farming figured out by now.

anywho, is pledging 15 billion dollars not enough for you Dex? I know it's not for that scab Bono.

We've made a lot of pledges and failed to produce, along with many other countries. We're supposed to be devoting .7% of GDP to alleviating such suffering, and we're nowhere close.
The point was that Schiavo's death became a national obsession, while every year millions of others are unworthy of thought. But those nuts outside the hospice want us to believe that they advocate for a true morality.
In many places in Africa the starvation is an effect of ongoing wars (not not being able to farm ), which no one has the political will to end, as they do not offer the apparent political rewards of pandering to the religious right that the Schiavo case does (as Greydon pointed out).

[mr_gyptian]

It's kind of funny, when you pull up a google regarding the 15 billion dollar pledge. the liberal human rights organizations use the same cliche'd criticisms of the aid as republicans that are against such aid.

but no need to get any further off the subject. I'm so fucking pissed about the handling of this I can't stand it. those 11th circuit judges drew a line in the sand and told the US congress to suck it. It's one thing for people like Bill Clinton or Nancy Pelosi to try and tear federalism down, they've never cared for it in the first place. the republican leadership, however

[cmsummit]

Well, now that she's dead the media is gonna have to come up with another national distraction. Did you guys here that Michael Jackson is on trial?

[Viva]

Well, now that she's dead the media is gonna have to come up with another national distraction. Did you guys here that Michael Jackson is on trial?

Beat it.

[cmsummit]

Beat it.

Just beat it.

[Stu Gotz]

Showin' How Funky Strong Is Your Fight

I never really got that line. Although I did have a styling coat with a lot of zippers.

[teledave]

Give it till Monday and all will be forgotten, the media will have moved on to something else.

Personally, I hope if I am ever in a state where I can never forseeably return to the active life that I know now and I am being kept alive through artifical means my parents, wife, and children will all agree that I should be allowed to die.

Too much politics in the way the whole thing has been handled, I would think that the people who are of strong faith and believe in an eternal life beyond this one would be much more inclined to let her die; instead they are the ones most vocal about the sanctity of life, playing God, etc. If using artificial means to ensure a patients survival is not playing God, how is removing those same means playing God?

[teledave]

Well, now that she's dead the media is gonna have to come up with another national distraction. Did you guys here that Michael Jackson is on trial?

Why did Michael Jackson go Sears last weekend?

They were running a special on boys pants, half off.

[PNWbrit]

Tragedy prompts dumb ass comments from world political and religous leaders

President George W Bush, who offered his sympathies to her parents Bob and Mary Schindler, said he was attached to a "culture of life".

Mr Bush urged those who backed the Schindlers to "continue to work to build a culture of life where all Americans are welcomed and valued and protected, especially those who live at the mercy of others".

"The essence of civilisation is that the strong have a duty to protect the weak. In cases where there are serious doubts and questions, the presumption should be in the favour of life." (unless perhaps you're talking about invading Iraq?)

House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, called Schiavo's death a "moral poverty and a legal tragedy."

"This loss happened because our legal system did not protect the people who need protection most, and that will change," DeLay said. "The time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior, but not today. Today we grieve, we pray, and we hope to God this fate never befalls another."

House Judiciary Chairman James Sensenbrenner, R-Wisconsin, called on Congress to pass legislation to help others going through similar legal battles.

"Terri's will to live should serve as an inspiration and impetus for action," Sensenbrenner said.

Later on Thursday, the Vatican denounced the death.

"An attack against life is an attack against God, who is the author of life," Cardinal Jose Saraiva Martins, head of the Vatican's office for sainthood (Sainthood! WTF!) , was quoted as saying by the Associated Press news agency.

Cardinal Renato Martino, prefect for the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, said Terri Schiavo's death was "nothing else but murder"

and even more ridiculous comments from the parents supporters

Father Frank Pavone, national director of the organisation Priests for Life, accused Mr Schiavo of "heartless cruelty".

[LAN]

May her soul rest in peace.

I think G.W. and DeLay should spend a day shadowing the ICU/hospice staff (per SLC's suggestion, not my soapbox, natty). It's pretty easy to have your "murder" and "starvation" opinions when you're sitting in a big leather chair behind a mahogany desk, far, far away from the tragedy and sorrow that exists in ICU's and hospices.

And now the poor Pope has a feeding tube ... let's see what Congress can dream up with his care!

[extreeski]

Tom Delay is a complete and utter bible thumping right wing moron.

[natty dread]

I think G.W. and DeLay should spend a day shadowing the ICU/hospice staff (per SLC's suggestion, not my soapbox, natty).

I agree with you 100%--except it wouldn't make a difference. Remember, Delay pulled the plug on his dad, he's been there. Both he and shrub are just catering to the right wing religious nutjobs; seeing the reality of the patients you deal with in the ICU or in hospice care would change nothing. Thinking individuals maybe would be moved. But the village idiot, the exterminator, and the republican theocracy--not a chance.

[FollowMe]

and the media circus continues...On TGR's Board!

[gramps]

If you were paying attention, society IS NOT accepting this way of letting people die. Even in our little forum, most people here agree that starving her to death is not a humane way to kill her. I'm sure if this was your mother or sister, you'd agree.

Forgetting for the moment the ambiguity in this particular case regarding "what she wanted"....

Thanks to the Christian/Conservatives in this country, there are no alternatives in these situations if the person does not want to be kept alive. Active voluntary euthanasia is "evil", even if that is the clear wishes of the person. Call me crazy, but I'd think in this land of the free, home of the brave, maybe the people that are doing the dying should decide how they die. Unfortunately, the hands of the family and doctors are tied (except in Oregon, maybe?).

Edit: On second thought, the "assisted suicide" law in Oregon wouldn't apply here, because the terminally ill person has to be physically able enough to give themselves the lethal dose of drugs...

Sitting around and waiting for a person to die from heart or respiratory failure, or in this case, starvation is the only accepted way for death to occur in a medical setting. The family wants it to be over, the person doing the dying wants it to be over. Instead of screaming "inhumane!" at the family, maybe you should take a step back and realize that it is the same people that are crying "Murder!" that have imposed their own morality on everyone, so that this is the only way a person can die.

[hucksquaw]

Why did Michael Jackson go Sears last weekend?

They were running a special on boys pants, half off.

Heres One:

whats the similarity between caviar and Michael Jackson?
they both come on little white crackers.

[ill-advised strategy]

Jacko and the ape chick from planet of the apes:

[Not Shane McConkey]

More important than the Schiavo story is the Sun Hudson story.

A hospital had the child's life terminated OVER the objections of the mother because of a law that allow people's lives to be terminated if 1) they won't get better 2) there is no evidence that the hospital bills can be paid.

It's not even an ethics question - this 5 1/2 month old child was killed just to save this hopital money!
btw - Bush signed that bill into law in 1999 when he was Gov of Tx!

Sun Hudson - Google that and see.

[ill-advised strategy]

More important than the Schiavo story is the Sun Hudson story.

A hospital had the child's life terminated OVER the objections of the mother because of a law that allow people's lives to be terminated if 1) they won't get better 2) there is no evidence that the hospital bills can be paid.

It's not even an ethics question - this 5 1/2 month old child was killed just to save this hopital money!
btw - Bush signed that bill into law in 1999 when he was Gov of Tx!

Sun Hudson - Google that and see.

no kidding....where's Brockaw on that one?!??!

[bdog]

when the republicans question when and where their dominance started to wane. It will be this affair.

The fact that wing nuts like Russell Terry are in the middle of this tornado is making my head unscrew. my only hope is that carpet bagger Jesse Jackson will somehow make people forget Russell Terry's involvement.

with all that is going on in the world right now our congress acts with lightning speed over this? between their concern for steroids in baseball and mrs. schiavo it's a wonder a fucking thing gets done around there.

her plug should have been pulled a decade ago, pure and simple.

Oh My God!!! Has hell frozen Over?!? Mr G posts something I AGREE WITH COMPLETELY?!!! No fucking way! You are right on G. with no exit strategy for Irag, absurd fuel costs, etc etc, congress takes up steriods in Baseball and THIS case. Yep, we are headin' for hell in the proverbial handbasket.

[jerseyrob]

Tony Alamo scares me!!

[Lone Star]

perhaps the most interesting aspect of this whole mess for me is that the geniuses who have been spouting off about "protecting the sanctity of marriage" are the same people who have tried to use their power in government to rid Mr. Schiavo of the rights and privileges granted to spouses in a marriage.