SC Newmad

[babybear]

I have a 180 fork on my Mojo HD and it climbs fine and obviously great on the downhill too. I also have a mojo sl for xc but I find myself choosing the HD most of the time- unless there's a long long climb.
But I also will ride the HD up old pass to the lower pass trails and it's not terrible at all. Granted that is basically a road up so it's not as tech uphill pedaling but it's not bad by any means

[raisingarizona13]

I have a 180 fork on my Mojo HD and it climbs fine and obviously great on the downhill too. I also have a mojo sl for xc but I find myself choosing the HD most of the time- unless there's a long long climb.
But I also will ride the HD up old pass to the lower pass trails and it's not terrible at all. Granted that is basically a road up so it's not as tech uphill pedaling but it's not bad by any means

Does that infringe any warranty conditions?

I bet the ht angle feels pretty sweet.

[babybear]

Nope- no warranty that I know of. FD- my boyfriend rides for ibis and they built his HD up with that fork (which he then later put on my HD) so should be hunky dory.
Yes the angle is great now too. I love DH but can be a real girl when it comes to big drops etc. I had a transition syren previously with a 160 fork and when I got on my HD I was easily already a point or two better/ more confident hitting shit

[shirk]

Freeride is dead.

[raisingarizona13]

Freeride is dead.

Coming from a North Van guy this makes me sad.

[shirk]

Coming from a North Van guy this makes me sad.

Well I was never a Freerider but I'd say it's for the better.

If you can't charge it on the current crop of 160mm slack/low enduro bikes it's not the bike holding you back.

Slap a Saint kit and dual ply tires on if you are worried about durability.

[stuckathuntermtn]

SC and Spesh are pushing the high end price boundaries (with the crazy-expensive carbon wheelsets on those models being the main factor), but most of their bikes are in line with other companies' pricing for similar models. It's the entire industry that's going batshit insane on pricing, not just one or two companies.

But but but CARBON. That shit is Space Age!

[kidwoo]

I'm not saying you're wrong, but how many 7" bikes have ever had halfway decent uphill manners? I've known people to put a righteous beating on a Nomad; if there ever was a frame that you can do long xc rides on then take to the bike park, that might be the one.

There's no way in hell I'd do the things I've done on my 7" mini dh bikes on a 6lb carbon frame.

I think the disappearance of the genre was because the majority of people buying sx trais, intense uzzis, vp frees etc. just wanted long travel trail bikes. Most people were never putting the beat down on them that they were capable of, there just weren't any other front derailleur 6-7" options.

[kidwoo]

Coming from a North Van guy this makes me sad.

Where he's from that just means dorps to falt off a bunch of circus ladders. Even he knows the death of that is a good thing.

Hitting 40 foot jumps at 40mph in the desert and doing nac nacs will always live on!

[shirk]

There's no way in hell I'd do the things I've done on my 7" mini dh bikes on a 6lb carbon frame.

SC V-10 carbon is sub 7lbs isn't it?

[kidwoo]

SC V-10 carbon is sub 7lbs isn't it?

The ones with the aluminum rear triangles definitely weren't. Not sure on the newer ones. I'd be surprised if those were in the 6s. I've held an unbuilt frame. No scale around but it didn't feel THAT light.

edit:
Just found this

6.97 pounds (3.15 kg) with a Rock Shox Vivid air or 7.9 pounds (3.6 kg) with the coil-sprung Fox DHX RC4 shock (9.5 x 3.0-inch).

http://www.pinkbike.com/news/Santa-C...irst-look.html

So yeah, I would have believed 8lbs with the coilover shock on the one I held. That's about 1.5-2lbs more material than most of the carbon trail frames I've seen that would be in this conversation.

[raisingarizona13]

I think there might be point where big bikes can get too light and lose there stability. I'm not claiming that as a fact but it's a thought that I have had.

Either way if you charge real hard on a lightish enduro rig it's not going to hold up as well as one of the older tank-ish fr bikes. I was just thinking that something more in between those two types of bikes might make sense. I know I can send my xc bike, it rides really good but I don't because I can't afford to be breaking shit every other ride.

I think Kidwoo is right tho, most people just don't need a true 7 inch mini dh bike so the industry has shifted it's focus.

I still want one! Maybe a little lighter and better at uphill travel then my current big bike but something that can still take hits.

And.......I think my idea of freeride might be a bit tamer than Kidwoo's.

[kidwoo]

I don't know man, I've ridden a 34lb V10........it's pretty friggin awesome. I'm not a fan of the suspension kinematics on those bikes but riding a full on dh rig that light is kinda nice. It does get knocked around a little more if you get lazy but it's also that much quicker to accelerate and redirect.

But hell if dh tracks keep getting more bike parked out and guys are getting medals on yeti trail bikes (graves) and 7" freeride bikes (Gwinn), maybe they'll stick around. I like the genre just because sometimes you need a tough bike, without necessarily needing an 8" travel 63 degree headangle bike. In a lot of cases a tough 7" bike really is the best (and fastest) tool for the job.

That said, wanna buy an sx trail?

[WaistDeepGroomers]

All you need to know

Haha im fucking dying laughing!! "Fucking expensive!"

[Lindahl]

All I know is that my old 2006 Nomad with coil front and rear certainly feels like a DH bike, and I've totally beat the shit out of it. I have a 2009 frame to throw parts on with the push link when its days are finally numbered.

I'd be surprised if the new Nomad didn't fit the bill - pocket DH bike. I think that plus a 5" trail bike is the perfect combo - we also don't have a Whistler out here - not worth owning a true DH machine. Perfect bike for Moab, Winter Park, Keystone and a few other special areas out here.

Also, SC claimed their carbon Nomad was stronger than the V10 alu, before it was discontinued, fwiw.

[kidwoo]

All I know is that my old 2006 Nomad with coil front and rear certainly feels like a DH bike,

Have you ever owned a dh bike?

[lph]

It is amazing how many bike companies have a multiple top end bikes in the 8k to 10K range.

I was contemplating a new bike this year, but might just wait and buy something used end of season or in spring for 1/2 the amount they cost new.

[Lindahl]

Have you ever owned a dh bike?

No, but I've ridden one quite abit (friends, demos, etc). Mostly a Trek Session and a Nukeproof something or other. I know we have different opinions about the Nomad though.

[kidwoo]

No, but I've ridden one quite abit (friends, demos, etc). Mostly a Trek Session and a Nukeproof something or other. I know we have different opinions about the Nomad though.

I was just asking since a lot of people say stuff like that about trail bikes these days, having never spent any time on a real dh bike pushing their comfort zones on one. Regardless of model, there is no trail bike that feels like a dh bike. Aside from toughness/stiffness, dh bikes feel like they do for a reason......mostly in the geo numbers. No trail bike feels like a true dh bike because pedaling frames around with dh bike geometry sucks donkey. But get on something steep enough, rough enough and fast enough, the only thing that ever really feels like a dh bike..........is a dh bike.

[TRON]

Pallabra woo

[dfinn]

I prefer my dh bike to feel like my xc bike.

[WaistDeepGroomers]

I think too the fact that downhill bike parks are being smoothed out into bmx tracks may have something to do with why people feel they only need a six inch am bike to go lift served. I remember growing up in NH the lift served stuff was just a haggard mix of deadly rocks and roots without a single berm or graded transition in sight.

Have only spent one day on a dual crown DH bike, a Norco at the Snowmass bike park, and have never before or since felt the same confidence to charge shit, even on the 8 inch mini DH bikes. The geometry was what I noticed more than anything

[raisingarizona13]

So basically there is no do it all bike out there. Most of us know this. But if you are a working class guy with limited funds you will have to make sacrifices somewhere. If I can make it work I like to have two bikes, a xc/enduro bike for pedal rides and a more burly gravity rig for riding gnarly steep shit. I'm not trying to go pro racing dh and I need a big bike that doesn't completely suck at pedaling up. An enduro rig like the Nomad would likely get destroyed pretty quickly on the Flagstaff dh trails, you can pull it off but it's going to cost you. I like the flowy park stuff but if that was all I had to ride I would get really bored. I prefer the more natural gnarly shit. This is why I'm a little worried that there won't be these kinds of bikes being built any longer.

It seems that the style of bikes being produced right now is not only driven by consumer demands but also by trail design. The focus on building sustainable trail has changed the types of trails built here in the US and along with it the consumers riding styles. There is a negative side to this, not everyone is happy with the direction of trail building these days. If you look at building forums like the ones on mtbr and nsmb there are plenty of people complaining about it. There seems to be a fear of McTrail building and the loss of the more natural steep trails of years gone by. Gnarly steep shit tho can be built somewhat sustainable, it can't be completely continuos fall line but it can be done. So what's my point withe this? Maybe the steep and rough type of riding will make a comeback and with that some more focus put back on the 7 inch pedal bike. Maybe the 26 will even have a comeback!? Random thoughts........


Now if I were rich......I would have the full stable but that's not going to happen any time soon.

[creaky fossil]

So basically there is no do it all bike out there. Most of us know this. But if you are a working class guy with limited funds you will have to make sacrifices somewhere. If I can make it work I like to have two bikes, a xc/enduro bike for pedal rides and a more burly gravity rig for riding gnarly steep shit. I'm not trying to go pro racing dh and I need a big bike that doesn't completely suck at pedaling up. An enduro rig like the Nomad would likely get destroyed pretty quickly on the Flagstaff dh trails, you can pull it off but it's going to cost you.

Obviously for any pure DH that's prone to clapping out DH bikes, a trail bike will suffer. But there's also something valuable in learning to make a "less capable" bike survive happily in beat-you-up terrain. Whenever you work or play with a tool or machine, it's a good idea to think of that tool's/machine's longevity and build your work or play in a way that works with the tool/machine, rather than against it.

[markcjr]

RaisingArizona, what about something like the specialized enduro evo? That will probably be in production for a while, coil front and back and 1 x11. You could get around better than most older bikes like the demo 7 on that and thrash it pretty good too.