TR: A fall into King Ravine (Mount Adams, NH)

[shafty85]

Has RT3 been in Iowa lately?

http://www.theguardian.com/environme...iowa-shot-dead

[yeloblammo]

black diamond must have been reading this post, look what they just came out with!

[Jonathan S.]

^ Whoah, both hilariously conceived and professionally rendered!

[Hugh Conway]

perfect for the snowbird/alta/jackson/squaw lift line! Ain't nobody going to cut!

[spook]

seems like they'd be kind of unwieldy in a sudden wolf attack with the long pole connected. maybe on a slightly longer shot it would act as a tripod. but then you'd want a longer barrel. maybe something that unscrews from the other pole.

[NoPostholio]

Question for RT3 ers is can you shoot your way to a stop in a long sliding fall?

[Rise To The Top]

T3B is back!?! I was in despair thinking my burning questions would never be answered





We await your sage advice!

A couple years back I was up on Isolation with a group of friends. On our way back one of my friends jumped down off of a rock and landed in a weird way. We though he had broke something the way he came down, but he was good. When he came down he smacked his arm into a soft rock, which we didn't realize until he got up. He had chunks of rock sticking out of his forearm, a few pieces had punctured one of his radial veins. As I said before, the BP cuff can act as a tourniquet too, and that is what is was used as. Hemostatic powder and gauze went on after we cleaned it out. Could've been a lot worse, had it hit an artery the IV starter may have got used. The "full" kit has a lot more than what I listed, I'm not gonna sit down and type every goddamn thing in there. It'd take too long.

As for the knife, does quite fine as a multi tool. If I needed to use it as a screwdriver, I'm sure it would fare well, but I have a hex/screwdriver set for that.

Welcome back RT3. Hey listen, there are a bunch of questions over the past 20-25 pages here that you haven't answered and that's cool but there's one that almost keeps me up at night:

What was with putting your ski boots on while they were clicked into the bindings?

Seriously. I don't have a lot of bc experience myself and I learn a lot of stupid little shit the hard way but I'm really having a tough time picturing this.

Thanks.

To save room in my bag I climbed with the boots clicked in. Clicked em out when I got up top, then threw them on, then clicked back in.

Not that anyone else cares, but the former alpine race coach in me can't resist commenting:

- Yes, sure, can't just hop into FIS races like USSA races. The point of my prior post though was that I couldn't understand why you would want to enter FIS races, given your USSA results.
- The 173 USSA GS point race in the spring of your second season racing (correct?) is indeed impressive.
- Then you're saying the next season (2009-10?) your FIS GS results (under a Canadian license) were in the 90s? Where are these listed? (Does your subsequent U.S. license somehow overwrite any prior record in the FIS database of your results under a Canadian license?)
- Sorry to hear about the prior MCL & meniscus injury. (I presided over enough of those as a coach not to wish them on anyone.) But are you saying that you went from racing FIS GS in the double-digits to USSA GS in the high 200s and low 300s?

Yea, went from 200's to sub 100's in one season. In 2009-2010, my FIS points didn't impact my USSA seeding (as I was ACA for my FIS license). I used training and USSA races to make adjustments and adapt to new equipment that season, and didn't do all that well in those races. I jumped from Volkl to Nordica that season and subsequently went through 6 pairs of GS boards until I found a pair that "worked". Didn't have much of an issue on the speed skis, it was primarily the GS skis that I had issues with. I started getting results in the latter half of the season. My CAN results were purged when I re-up'd under a US license, and I was issued a new number. They were kind of pissed when they found I was double dipping (racing in the US as a Canadian, even though I was a USSA athlete at first), but you gotta do what you gotta do to get ahead.

When I came back from my injury, it was pretty hard. It was a pretty good tear, and once again I was on new equipment. I never got the race results I wanted, but got entered in J1/2 Easterns through training. The next season I had Organic 1 and 2, as well as some pretty gritty bio electives (Computational Neuroscience and Microbio), and couldn't commit for the race season. I trained at Sunapee, but only a couple days a week. I came back this season to the 35m skis, and logged ~60 days at Sunapee, more than half of those in the gates. The few starts I had this year were under less than ideal conditions for 35m boards (one race at Pico was on pond ice and they didn't reset the course, the other at Gunstock and it was 50 degrees that day). Pretty hard to move 195s around as it is, but when you are going through massive holes and skiing ruts left by kids skiing on 17-21m skis, it is damn near impossible. I'm not sure what I'll be doing for next season, if I do race I'll be doing primarily FIS races.

As for that 173 point race in 2009, I feel like I got robbed penalty wise and could have skied a lot better. I showed up at the mountain at 9:30, grabbed my bib, and by the time I got up they already started. Got one warm up run and had to ski it (no inspection). As you know, the sets up at Sugarloaf can be a little tricky, and inspection is crucial up there.

[Vt-Freeheel]

[FussyDutchman]

I couldn't find a wolf, but close enough.

[PNWbrit]

As I said before, the BP cuff can act as a tourniquet too

So can at least a dozen other items you might have with you..... stupid, stupid reasoning.

There's a reason people don't carry blood pressure cuffs around with them.

[NoPostholio]

^^^because people will expect them to drive a Mercedes or Beemer?

I personally clear out my pack and try to fit a small kitchen sink in there - you never know when that might come in handy.

[sethschmautz]

I toured a few weeks ago with a guy carrying a 10mm. I think it was his first time in the backcountry. I couldn't get this thread out of my mind.

It was impractical (not to mention heavy) on the skin track, but fun when we were hanging around camp that evening.

I just realized that I have nothing to add to this thread...

[wildmanwillie]

A couple years back I was up on Isolation with a group of friends. On our way back one of my friends jumped down off of a rock and landed in a weird way. We though he had broke something the way he came down, but he was good. When he came down he smacked his arm into a soft rock, which we didn't realize until he got up. He had chunks of rock sticking out of his forearm, a few pieces had punctured one of his radial veins. As I said before, the BP cuff can act as a tourniquet too, and that is what is was used as. Hemostatic powder and gauze went on after we cleaned it out. Could've been a lot worse, had it hit an artery the IV starter may have got used. The "full" kit has a lot more than what I listed, I'm not gonna sit down and type every goddamn thing in there. It'd take too long.

Jesus christo. Was the bleeding really so severe that you needed to use a tourniquet? Tourniquets can often cause more problems than they solve and should only be used when absolutely necessary. Elevation and well aimed pressure can go a long way to slow bleeding. Seems to me like you are an idiot who is inclined to practice potentially dangerous treatments well beyond the scope of your training. What is your training RT3? You must have some medical training if you think your going to start a line in the field... And no, "pre-med" is not medical training.

BTW you know what else works as a tourniquet? Fucking coban. Know what else it will work for?? Applying pressure to a wound. BAM!!! 2 birds, one stone, no BP cuff.

Lose the sphygmo and IV kit; consider adding benadryl. I think that would be much more useful.

[neck beard]

yep. This child has proven to be incredibly uninteresting.

[NoPostholio]

carrying a 10mm....

Socket or box wrench?

[My Pet Powder Goat]

A couple years back I was up on Isolation with a group of friends. On our way back one of my friends jumped down off of a rock and landed in a weird way. We though he had broke something the way he came down, but he was good. When he came down he smacked his arm into a soft rock, which we didn't realize until he got up. He had chunks of rock sticking out of his forearm, a few pieces had punctured one of his radial veins. As I said before, the BP cuff can act as a tourniquet too, and that is what is was used as. Hemostatic powder and gauze went on after we cleaned it out. Could've been a lot worse, had it hit an artery the IV starter may have got used. The "full" kit has a lot more than what I listed, I'm not gonna sit down and type every goddamn thing in there. It'd take too long.

As for the knife, does quite fine as a multi tool. If I needed to use it as a screwdriver, I'm sure it would fare well, but I have a hex/screwdriver set for that.




To save room in my bag I climbed with the boots clicked in. Clicked em out when I got up top, then threw them on, then clicked back in.





Yea, went from 200's to sub 100's in one season. In 2009-2010, my FIS points didn't impact my USSA seeding (as I was ACA for my FIS license). I used training and USSA races to make adjustments and adapt to new equipment that season, and didn't do all that well in those races. I jumped from Volkl to Nordica that season and subsequently went through 6 pairs of GS boards until I found a pair that "worked". Didn't have much of an issue on the speed skis, it was primarily the GS skis that I had issues with. I started getting results in the latter half of the season. My CAN results were purged when I re-up'd under a US license, and I was issued a new number. They were kind of pissed when they found I was double dipping (racing in the US as a Canadian, even though I was a USSA athlete at first), but you gotta do what you gotta do to get ahead.

When I came back from my injury, it was pretty hard. It was a pretty good tear, and once again I was on new equipment. I never got the race results I wanted, but got entered in J1/2 Easterns through training. The next season I had Organic 1 and 2, as well as some pretty gritty bio electives (Computational Neuroscience and Microbio), and couldn't commit for the race season. I trained at Sunapee, but only a couple days a week. I came back this season to the 35m skis, and logged ~60 days at Sunapee, more than half of those in the gates. The few starts I had this year were under less than ideal conditions for 35m boards (one race at Pico was on pond ice and they didn't reset the course, the other at Gunstock and it was 50 degrees that day). Pretty hard to move 195s around as it is, but when you are going through massive holes and skiing ruts left by kids skiing on 17-21m skis, it is damn near impossible. I'm not sure what I'll be doing for next season, if I do race I'll be doing primarily FIS races.

As for that 173 point race in 2009, I feel like I got robbed penalty wise and could have skied a lot better. I showed up at the mountain at 9:30, grabbed my bib, and by the time I got up they already started. Got one warm up run and had to ski it (no inspection). As you know, the sets up at Sugarloaf can be a little tricky, and inspection is crucial up there.

Sure, but can you dolphin turn?


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[TBS]

Thanks for answering my questions Dr Gnar. Quite entertaining

[spook]

he should have been carrying a crossbow that shoots arrows with heads that open upon entry and connected to a cable so that he could have caught himself before he went all the way. if he got lucky, he could shoot a wolf in the ass and in its desperation to flee would pull op up to the top at which time he would promptly shoot the wolf that just saved his life and the recoil would knock him backward into the ravine head first dragging a dead wolf.

[NoPostholio]

That scenario seems more likely on the real mt Adams (except for wolves) - in which case he would already have perished -

[Todd Zander]

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[bsavery]

As I said before, the BP cuff can act as a tourniquet too, and that is what is was used as. Hemostatic powder and gauze went on after we cleaned it out.

Seems like a lot of effort when you could have just shot the arm off and been done with it.

[coldfeet]

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URGENT:
Does Old Spice Wolfthorn attract or repel older, more experienced cougars?

I'm asking for a friend.

[Jonathan S.]

Sincere thanks to the OP for the FIS explanation, which somehow I do indeed find interesting, despite my long since lapsed involvement in alpine ski racing and coaching.

However, the stethoscope, the BP cuff, and of course the gun . . .
... I could try to provide some serious advice, especially having originally gotten into backcountry skiing and ski mountaineering straight from an alpine racing background, but the OP doesn't seem to be receptive to any of that, so instead I'll just succumb to the mockery ...
... especially since although a 9mm Beretta Px4 Storm might be fine for a *single* gray wolf, for an entire wolf *pack* better have some more serious armament (and yes, that is real live shotgun ammunition, even though the stethoscope and BP cuff are somewhat less than real, with the not-real/unreal/fake Mt Adams behind me although not visible from that angle):

[spook]

fail. the boots are not in the skis.

[NoPostholio]

A whippet is plenty for old school wolf slaughters - extra ammo weight slow down the overall vert?