OFFICIAL I70 BITCH THREAD....

[montanaskier]

Cheap passes are the biggest issue.
When season passes were 1900 bucks you didn't see lineups like we do on weekends now. I'd certainly like to see Vail go to a limited number of skiers deal. You can't continue to just cram and cram and cram people on the Mtn. However it's Vail, they'll use those pics as a means to install more lifts. If anybody here has Twitter, check out Chris Jarnots Twitter feed.... "Love all the passion from people in line". Ugh....[emoji379]

[Benny Profane]

Cheap passes are the biggest issue.
When season passes were 1900 bucks you didn't see lineups like we do on weekends now. I'd certainly like to see Vail go to a limited number of skiers deal. You can't continue to just cram and cram and cram people on the Mtn. However it's Vail, they'll use those pics as a means to install more lifts. If anybody here has Twitter, check out Chris Jarnots Twitter feed.... "Love all the passion from people in line". Ugh....[emoji379]

That sounds good. Get rid of the rabble, and let only the 1% have fun. Murica!

[montanaskier]

That sounds good. Get rid of the rabble, and let only the 1% have fun. Murica!

I am in favor of making skiing available to anyone that wants to ski. But at some point the experience has to be positive. Is it being an elitist if they cap visitors on weekends at say....25k which is an absurd number and the one given by the forest service? Also that 25k number gets BLOWN by several times a year. Make it a hard cap. I don't think that's elitist at all. Make day passes cheaper than 165 and make season passes more expensive than 600 bucks.

[hatchgreenchile]

That sounds good. Get rid of the rabble, and let only the 1% have fun. Murica!

Maybe Vail's better without the rabble, just like Abasin is fine without mink coats and sushi bars.
Several hills ignore appealing to cheapos and do just fine.

[Name Redacted]

I would pay more for Abasin if it wasn't on the Epic Gaper pass.

[SkiBall]

Isn't Vail resorts housing their employees 2 to a bedbug infested room because of the housing shortage? Those poor bastards move out here for the dream of skiing and end up living in worse conditions than a Calcutta slum making $9 an hour. They need to find a better dream.


...and on that note, so do most of us front range weekend warriors too.

I think they make $10 per now. Movie' on up.

[galibier_numero_un]

If anybody here has Twitter, check out Chris Jarnots Twitter feed.... "Love all the passion from people in line". Ugh....[emoji379]

Quite the contrast from Al's Blog.

... Thom

[stfu&gbtw]

Quite the contrast from Al's Blog.

... Thom

Not really. Pretty sure Al loves a good lift line. Sure as hell doesn't mind a full parking lot!

[galibier_numero_un]

Not really. Pretty sure Al loves a good lift line. Sure as hell doesn't mind a full parking lot!

Of course you're right! I was thinking more about his transparency about ski area operations, etc. ... the general tone.

... Thom

[Benny Profane]

I would pay more for Abasin if it wasn't on the Epic Gaper pass.

Do you have a Loveland pass?

[fastfred]

I was talking to a property manager who told me there is a big change happening up here. The people buying condos aren't renting them, therefore shrinking the already bad rental market (or good, if you're a slumlord). Probably a lot of Denver people just buying a bed to avoid traffic.

This is absolute bull shit, everyone is dropping this line that short term rentals are cutting people out of the long term rental market. I'm pretty sick of hearing it. Politicians and the here today gone tomorrow "locals" love to use it

It's the new dis on the second home owner

I can explain more but don't have the time, it has more to do with overall growth of summit county than anything else, but its easier to put your head in the sand and make shit up than look at the big picture and many forces at play

[fastfred]

A high alpine resort outside of alma in the mosquitos would be awesome, I bet that place would be empty most of the time.

I heard rumors years ago that valley of the sun was developed with the intention of putting a ski area up there, subdivision happened but the ski area didn't

[fastfred]

Yeah, the Friday-Monday deal seems to be the only way to make weekend skiing work these days. Living west of the city (Golden, Morrison, etc.) also really helps to avoid any city traffic on the Monday morning return. We've been talking about doing the inverse (wife and I both telecommute) but will probably wait until I70 becomes a shitshow on the weekdays as well (5 years?).

it's already changing thursday is the new friday, friday is the new saturday, and sundays are sometimes pretty mellow (not empty) but chill compared to fri and sat

[Name Redacted]

Do you have a Loveland pass?

No way, I heard their lifts will kick your ass and it takes to long for them to open the ridge.

[Benny Profane]

This is absolute bull shit, everyone is dropping this line that short term rentals are cutting people out of the long term rental market. I'm pretty sick of hearing it. Politicians and the here today gone tomorrow "locals" love to use it

It's the new dis on the second home owner

I can explain more but don't have the time, it has more to do with overall growth of summit county than anything else, but its easier to put your head in the sand and make shit up than look at the big picture and many forces at play

It ain't no dis, or dat.

Simple economics. No new housing is being built here except for mega mansions, expensive "luxury lifestyle" quasi time share schemes (although that's slowed down dramatically since 08), and public/private partnership housing for average people with average incomes who both work and live here, but the latter will probably never make it to the rental market due to tight restrictions. Now, if part of the old condo market gets eaten up by private owners who don't want or have to rent to fund the purchase, then, ouila, less rooms for dirtbags to rent, and the prices rise. I never considered the Air B&B factor, but, that will be a passing fad, when the owners realize how hard it is to rent out their prescious asset to drunk and stoned skiers from New Jersey and clean up after them without professional help.

[Kevo]

It ain't no dis, or dat.

Simple economics. No new housing is being built here except for mega mansions, expensive "luxury lifestyle" quasi time share schemes (although that's slowed down dramatically since 08), and public/private partnership housing for average people with average incomes who both work and live here, but the latter will probably never make it to the rental market due to tight restrictions. Now, if part of the old condo market gets eaten up by private owners who don't want or have to rent to fund the purchase, then, ouila, less rooms for dirtbags to rent, and the prices rise. I never considered the Air B&B factor, but, that will be a passing fad, when the owners realize how hard it is to rent out their prescious asset to drunk and stoned skiers from New Jersey and clean up after them without professional help.

I don't think it will be a passing fad. Most AirBNB owners hire professional help to clean. There are a ton of on-call cleaning services in the mountains for just this reason, and AirBNB renters pay a cleaning fee for every stay, no matter how short.

[galibier_numero_un]

I don't think it will be a passing fad. Most AirBNB owners hire professional help to clean. There are a ton of on-call cleaning services in the mountains for just this reason, and AirBNB renters pay a cleaning fee for every stay, no matter how short.

There seem to be quite a few owners of AirBNB's who are getting dismayed with the return on their labor/investment/management fees. Me? I don't have a horse in this race.

Here's an interesting thread: http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...property-owner

Cheers,
Thom

[Benny Profane]

I don't think it will be a passing fad. Most AirBNB owners hire professional help to clean. There are a ton of on-call cleaning services in the mountains for just this reason, and AirBNB renters pay a cleaning fee for every stay, no matter how short.

Yeah, but it's just not cleaning. It's shoveling and plowing and fixing shit. You know, property management. There's a reason those guys get a percentage. The dirty work.

[Danno]

Yeah, but it's just not cleaning. It's shoveling and plowing and fixing shit. You know, property management. There's a reason those guys get a percentage. The dirty work.

Shoveling and plowing are already paid for in HOA dues.

[Garth Bimble]

Time to move out of durango!

"Durango’s population growth places it at 20th among 536 micropolitan areas tracked by the Census Bureau, he said. Micropolitan areas have one urban cluster of 10,000 to 50,000 residents, plus adjacent territory with strong economic ties to the core city.

Durango seems to be one of the winners of modern migration patterns. Overall, Americans are leaving rural areas for major cities. Some small towns with educated populaces and other amenities are attracting the same movement."

http://www.durangoherald.com/article...-strong-growth

Estimated to break 100k by 2035.

550 will be the next I-70? If this happens I'll be rich beyond the wildest dreams of avarice so I'll just buy into Red McCombs deal at WC. After all isn't that going to be the next JH? I could be dead by then as well so I'm not going to worry about it.

[fastfred]

It ain't no dis, or dat.

Simple economics. No new housing is being built here except for mega mansions, expensive "luxury lifestyle" quasi time share schemes (although that's slowed down dramatically since 08), and public/private partnership housing for average people with average incomes who both work and live here, but the latter will probably never make it to the rental market due to tight restrictions. Now, if part of the old condo market gets eaten up by private owners who don't want or have to rent to fund the purchase, then, ouila, less rooms for dirtbags to rent, and the prices rise. I never considered the Air B&B factor, but, that will be a passing fad, when the owners realize how hard it is to rent out their prescious asset to drunk and stoned skiers from New Jersey and clean up after them without professional help.

whats your point? the percentage of second homes is about the same as its always been, so what does short term rentals have to do with all of that? A second home and a second home that is a short term rental are about the same

woulda pissed on your skis while riding the lift up with you twenty years ago dumb ass, might still be a dirt bag but was one for sure years ago, lived in tents, couches, and squatted in cabins that don't exist anymore

[Name Redacted]

Better to short term to families from the burbs than get stuck in a long term lease with a bunch of lifties. Cleaning companies are a dime a dozen(and usually the renter pay for them or it is calculated into the cost), and you are paying the HOA to plow snow etc. Management companies can do the rest for you if you can't deal with it but they cost more. VRBO rentals are a solid investment and win/win for owners as well as they generally raise everyone's home values and increase occupancy. Just sucks for the seasonal, lower wage earners as they are forced into shitty employee housing or exorbitant rents. Affordable housing is popping up all over the place and that helps foster more long term, middle wage earning local residents, but still screws the seasonal folks. There have been a ton of articles in the local papers about this happening in every ski town across the west. CB, Summit, Vail, WP, etc. It's pretty widespread. But local governments don't want to/can't restrict it because of what it does for home values and property tax revenues and taxes collected from the rentals, which are supposed to be paid by the owners but are not always enforced. Currently, many are rolling that into providing more affordable housing, but that takes time.

Sure, McMansions are still being built, but have no real impact on the local housing issues, except in places where uber-gentrification is tearing down lower income housing to build McMansions. I can't think of anywhere locally that I've seen that being done really.

[JaytaeMoney]

Gonna be driving from Denver (south) back to Aspen on Sunday morning, I know the game means traffic should be light but if I wanna play it safe what time do I need to reach 470 and I-70?

[grskier]

Gonna be driving from Denver (south) back to Aspen on Sunday morning, I know the game means traffic should be light but if I wanna play it safe what time do I need to reach 470 and I-70?

This afternoon.

[Benny Profane]

whats your point? the percentage of second homes is about the same as its always been, so what does short term rentals have to do with all of that? A second home and a second home that is a short term rental are about the same

woulda pissed on your skis while riding the lift up with you twenty years ago dumb ass, might still be a dirt bag but was one for sure years ago, lived in tents, couches, and squatted in cabins that don't exist anymore

I'll bet I saw you the other day. Shitty old Jeep Cherokee that looked like it was last washed in 2009. Lights off in a nice snow shower, speeding down Main St. In Frisco, blowing through a stop sign and nearly turning a touron family into high mountain road kill. That was you, right?

Sorry I hurt your brain with a little simple supply and demand talk.