OFFICIAL I70 BITCH THREAD....

[COpow]

What's depressing is liberal douchebags moving to Colorado from a State they helped ruin, and then thinking the same stupid stuff that ruined the State they left, will somehow work in Colorado.

Jumping in from left field - Please give an example of a state that liberals "ruined," and describe how they "ruined it."

... and then fuck off with this to the padded room.

[sillyrabbit]

It's may be hard to empathize with the fact that we have lived through the drastic changes with the last decade or so being the most dramatic shift I've ever seen and I'd imagine most of us hold some frustrations about the naive and arrogant transplants that have been moving here in droves but how is this surprising to you? I wouldn't move to New York and pretend I would know better than a native but that's just me and I'm an idiot so what do I know. On the plus side at least they will be ticketing and fining people this year, so there are some improvements.

[stfu&gbtw]

It's may be hard to empathize with the fact that we have lived through the drastic changes with the last decade or so being the most dramatic shift I've ever seen and I'd imagine most of us hold some frustrations about the naive and arrogant transplants that have been moving here in droves but how is this surprising to you? I wouldn't move to New York and pretend I would know better than a native but that's just me and I'm an idiot so what do I know. On the plus side at least they will be ticketing and fining people this year, so there are some improvements.

Of course... You natives just have this instinctual ability to live between a strip mall and a Village Inn that's unseen elsewhere in the country.

After living off the grid in the woods for nearly the last decade, trust me when I tell you this is a whole hell of a lot easier than living in NYC. It's also true that it's 10x harder than it would be if the state would develop a 20 year plan that represents its needs and goals.

Re: drastic changes - you guys just need to get the fuck over yourselves. You live in a cool place. A) that does not make YOU cool, and B) get ready for some company.

[stfu&gbtw]

What's depressing is liberal douchebags moving to Colorado from a State they helped ruin, and then thinking the same stupid stuff that ruined the State they left, will somehow work in Colorado.

You're probably right... if there was ever a failed metropolis, NYC is it! And 75% of the state is rural and snowy! What would anyone in New York know about managing a city, protecting rural communities, keeping a highway open, etc.

If CO wasn't fucking it up, no one would be talking about it.

[CherryMoon]

Wife and I drove back to Den this am, rule 15 was active silverthorne->tunnel. Some circa '92 Buick f'd up the flow (full-stop @ tunnel) with what looked like all-season touring grade. Per Rule 15, is that an automatic $650 citation? Clear, super straight forward conditions after some light snow overnight, yet he dilled up EB ~15mins, WB perhaps same or slightly less.

[doebedoe]

Wife and I drove back to Den this am, rule 15 was active silverthorne->tunnel. Some circa '92 Buick f'd up the flow (full-stop @ tunnel) with what looked like all-season touring grade. Per Rule 15, is that an automatic $650 citation? Clear, super straight forward conditions after some light snow overnight, yet he dilled up EB ~15mins, WB perhaps same or slightly less.

If they are All-Seasons they probably carry an M+S rating. If so, and they had the required tread depth, then they're within the confines of the law.

Which is why code 15s are bullshit. It should be something like the following:

(All assume reasonable tread depth)
- AWD/4WD with All Season with M+S
OR
- 2WD with 4 proper Snowflake rated tires
OR
- Traction devices (chains etc)

And not what is is:
- AWD/4WD with any tire
OR
- M+S on all 4 wheels
OR
- Snowflake rated on all 4
OR
- Traction devices.

[The SnowShow]

Are they actually ticketing? And is there now a requirement for rental companies to provide equipment for code 15s?

[hatchgreenchile]

I highly doubt the rental companies give two shits. Buyer beware.

[Kevo]

How about paving Rollins Pass and keeping it open in the winter? I know that has been brought up a couple times. I'd pay additional taxes to make that happen.

[mdblows]

How about paving Rollins Pass and keeping it open in the winter? I know that has been brought up a couple times. I'd pay additional taxes to make that happen.

What percentage of the I-70 traffic is headed to WP? And then, what percentage of the Denver metro area headed to WP lives somewhere that it makes sense to take Rollins Pass? Maybe 1000 cars a day if we're being extremely generous?

[RonMexico]

I've always wondered this with all the talk of putting a rail in from Denver to the ski resorts...

Would it just make one stop in Summit County and one in Eagle County with the resorts responsible for running a free shuttle from the terminal to the mountain? And a stop in Empire to drop off those going to WP?

[stfu&gbtw]

^ Areas west of Denver would immediately see a huge increase in residential interest if the corridor were served with commuter railroad. Vail, Copper, and Silverthorne would undoubtedly get built first, but stations should be added for all the major intersections. After those three, probably Genesee, Evergreen Parkway, Idaho Springs, Georgetown, and Frisco to follow.

How awesome would it be to be able to live in Frisco and know you could consistently make it to Denver in 90 minutes or less with no traffic or road conditions to worry about? And once the ski areas get a system in place for transporting skis and luggage, who in their right mind would drive to the ski area?

[Kevo]

I don't think a train will happen in our lifetime. It might not ever happen. TABOR makes it pretty much an impossibility. We're talking tens of billions of dollars (roughly 20 billion to go from DIA to Eagle)

[summit]

^ Areas west of Denver would immediately see a huge increase in residential interest if the corridor were served with commuter railroad. Vail, Copper, and Silverthorne would undoubtedly get built first, but stations should be added for all the major intersections. After those three, probably Genesee, Evergreen Parkway, Idaho Springs, Georgetown, and Frisco to follow.

How awesome would it be to be able to live in Frisco and know you could consistently make it to Denver in 90 minutes or less with no traffic or road conditions to worry about? And once the ski areas get a system in place for transporting skis and luggage, who in their right mind would drive to the ski area?

90 minutes with your plan? Not a chance! You want to have 9 stations between Vail and West Denver? It will spend 90 minutes sitting in the station and 90 minutes on the tracks.

That train will sit there at least 10 minutes at each stop so gapers can get their gear on and off. The train isn't going to do 120mph. It is going to do 60mph.

Try a more modest selection of stations:

Eagle Airport
Eagle-Vail
Frisco
Empire
Denver West
Denver Central
DIA

[stfu&gbtw]

90 minutes with your plan? Not a chance! You want to have 9 stations between Vail and West Denver? It will spend 90 minutes sitting in the station and 90 minutes on the tracks.

That train will sit there at least 10 minutes at each stop so gapers can get their gear on and off. The train isn't going to do 120mph. It is going to do 60mph.

Try a more modest selection of stations:

Eagle Airport
Eagle-Vail
Frisco
Empire
Denver West
Denver Central
DIA

I gather you haven't lived in a city with commuter railroad before... you set up a few main stations.. IS, Silverthorne, Vail. Express trains stop only at those stations. Local trains run the sub routes via the local track. So the frisco train stops at Silverthorne, Idaho Springs, and Denver. The Vail express stops at Silverthorne and Idaho Springs. Also, you don't spend 10 minutes shuffling gaper shit on the 7am Tuesday eastbound commuter train. Routes get designed to serve specific demographics. I'm sure this seems like rocket surgery, but the entire developed urban world has already sorted it out. CO just needs to pull its head out of its ass for a minute and take a look around.

[Lindahl]

Why Idaho Springs? That makes no sense at all. There's nothing there to serve. Golden makes way more sense.

[skipowpow]

Why Idaho Springs? That makes no sense at all. There's nothing there to serve. Golden makes way more sense.

Gambling spur.

[stfu&gbtw]

Golden/Denver West for sure... IS too. Whether IS is an express stop is up for debate. Maybe Empire is express and you shoot a spur up 40 to connect to the existing Amtrak route in WP...

Lots of ways to skin this cat, but the cat's definitely a commuter train.

[The SnowShow]

I can see all these gapers running across the platform with all their gear, from a local to an express, just like in Manhattan. Riding the C into Columbus Circle and seeing that A waiting...ha, what a stampede.

[stfu&gbtw]

Seems like a natural tie in for resorts to start offering club house and tuning facilities.. leave your shit at Vail, show up to warm boots, tuned skis, comfy locker room. Basic package deal with the seasonal train/ski pass, $2500/pp. Fancier services available up to $25k/season. Airlines bundle express train tickets, shuttle, hotel. Everybody wins. Startup cost for the whole rig is probably ~$75B. Pay back in 25 years or less.

[Danno]

So, with a local and express, do we now need at least 3 tracks?

They couldn't even manage an express track anywhere in the metro area, they sure won't put it on I-70.

[stfu&gbtw]

So, with a local and express, do we now need at least 3 tracks?

They couldn't even manage an express track anywhere in the metro area, they sure won't put it on I-70.

4 tracks. I'm aware that the "natives" don't see the value in it, or much else for that matter.

You know, I have the same fucking meeting all the time. The long term outcome for CO is a foregone conclusion... there's too much opportunity, and the technical challenges aren't what they used to be. But everyone I talk to makes the same ridiculous assumption, and that is that the foregone conclusion will include them. What everyone seems to fail to recognize is that the part of the conclusion that isn't foregone is whether they're around to see it. Times, they are a changin'. And all these mid westerners with no sense of how to capitalize on the opportunities they have are living on borrowed time. Benny's ski days aren't as numbered as theirs are.

[summit]

4 tracks. You won't need an Idaho springs stop as you will need to demolish much of the town to make room for the tracks. Nice troll though.

Keep on about the co natives. They are a minority in co outnumbered 2:1 by transplants.

[JaytaeMoney]

the colorado native plebs will never understand, a train stop at every ski area, trail head, and campground will eliminate all I-70 traffic!

[sillyrabbit]

Haha!