Senate votes to allow Alaska wildlife refuge

[Twoplanker]

How many of you are not oil consumers?

[DaveTV]

AKPM, this is an example of another one of your pointless posts!!!!!!! for a brief clarification: Just what the "fuck" does your "close" friend do? for us that don't know, could be that they are "tree huggers" collecting petition signatures in front of B&N? or perhaps as subsistance hunters in Arctic Village? In all likelyhood though , no one really cares!!!!!!!!!!!

Svengali, I would PAY to see AKPM break your fucking nose..

[mr_gyptian]

heh, how ironical this comes so close to the 100th anniversary of the USFS.

[extreeski]

Here's something you can do.

Yesterday, a narrow majority of the United States Senate chose to ignore common sense, sound economics, and the protection of our natural heritage by voting in favor of drilling in America's pristine Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. The halls of the Capitol were clogged with oil industry lobbyists as the Senators rejected an amendment by Senator Maria Cantwell of Washington State to protect this great wilderness.


But the oil industry hasn't won yet. This is just the first step and we can still stop this outrage.


Click here to write to your Senators and tell them how you feel about their vote. Let them hear from you before the Senate votes again.
http://capwiz.com/lcv/issues/alert/?...233336&type=CO


Although this vote is a setback, this battle is far from over. The vote was 51-49, so we can turn this around. The most important thing you can do today is let your Senators know you are watching their every move on this and other important environmental issues.


Take Action Now: Write to your Senators and tell them how you feel about their vote.
http://capwiz.com/lcv/issues/alert/?...233336&type=CO


Your voice is needed to support those who support a clean, healthy environment, and to hold anti-environment Senators accountable.


Thank you,



Betsy Loyless and the LCV Policy Team

[homerjay]

Thanks LB for the contact info.

An excerpt from my email to Allard:

"The only people that can possibly benefit from this decision is the oil companies, and perhaps the Republicans in congress that continue to pander to them. Hopefully there will be a time in America's near future in which the interest of the its people is take precedence over the interest of its corporations."

[Squirrel99]

Thanks LB for the contact info.

An excerpt from my email to Allard:

"The only people that can possibly benefit from this decision is the oil companies, and perhaps the Republicans in congress that continue to pander to them. Hopefully there will be a time in America's near future in which the interest of the its people is take precedence over the interest of its corporations."

Well put, Jay. Thanks for sharing.

[Kya]

We as americans need to stop voting these same idiots back into office.

V.O.R.D. Vote Out Republicans and Democrats. (I'm working on the bumper stickers)

[mr_gyptian]

Thanks LB for the contact info.

An excerpt from my email to Allard:

"The only people that can possibly benefit from this decision is the oil companies, and perhaps the Republicans in congress that continue to pander to them. Hopefully there will be a time in America's near future in which the interest of the its people is take precedence over the interest of its corporations."

Is this the unedited version?

[Rusty Nails]

We as americans need to stop voting these same idiots back into office.

V.O.R.D. Vote Out Republicans and Democrats. (I'm working on the bumper stickers)

I'll take one.

[freshie247]

FLIPPIN IDIOTS. F*CK CHENEY GW, & the rest of those NAZI SWINE.Thompson probably offed himself so he wouldn't have to sit by and watch SH*T like this go down.!

[dipstik]

NAZI SWINE

The similarities are obvious: The Nazi's slaughtered millions of innocent men, women, and children in death camps, based soley on their ethnicity, and George Bush passed a bill to drill for oil in Alaska.

You're entitled to your opinion, sure, but don't ever draw parallels between what the Nazi's did and a policy (or anything for that matter) you don't agree with just to make that policy look worse.

Thanks.

[Svengali]

Hey Dave TV,
I am completely insensed by this band of right-wing earth wrecking fucks and their selfish, poorly educated decisions to open the coastal plain to development
my point to little monkey boy was to use a contextual concept when posting,
instead of just "FUCK, my friend just lost his job!!" Are we all assumed to know every detailed piece of data buried in his brain????? Every monster truck driving Fucktard in Alaska would laugh and say " It's oK, there's 10,000 new job's coming!!!"
Looks like you've had your nose hammered on a few times

[backpack]

How many of you are not oil consumers?

[edit] removed rant on TP's asinine comment [/edit]

[ND]idiot[/ND]

[SLCFreshies]

There is hope. No budget = no drilling in ANWR.

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In Blow to Bush, Senators Reject Cuts to Medicaid
By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG

Published: March 18, 2005

WASHINGTON, March 17 - President Bush's plans to reduce the explosive growth of Medicaid, the government insurance program for the poor, ran into a roadblock on Thursday when the Senate voted to strip its 2006 budget of all proposed Medicaid cuts. The move threatens to prevent Congress from adopting a budget this year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/18/po...rtner=homepage

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[Twoplanker]

[edit] removed rant on TP's asinine comment [/edit]

[ND]idiot[/ND]

Your rant was worse than name-calling and eye-rolling? I aksed a pretty simple question; not sure why that makes me an idiot...

[Twoplanker]

Here's an interesting perspective...

Inupiat Eskimos First, Best Environmentalists
by Former Mayor Benjamin P. Nageak on ANWR Development

The Inupiat people of the North Slope have called the Arctic their home for thousands of years. Long before the riches of this land and its seas were "discovered" by outside cultures, the Inupiat built a world that centered on their interdependence with the vast and diverse animal life found in their seas, skies and land.

This world of the Arctic, including the vast expanse termed the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge by the United States government, has seen my people’s footprints throughout history. We used the resources God gave us to build a life for our families.

This is why it is hard for my people to understand how anyone can view ANWR as some vast, frozen wilderness untouched by human hands. This picture of ANWR leaves out one of its most important elements - the Inupiat people who have shared the resources of that land with its animals since pre-history.

I was taught by my father to respect the land and it’s resources because our very life depends on them. I realize life is different for me than it was for my father. But we are both the same in our dependence on the resources found on our lands. For my father, it was the food he hunted to feed his family. I also use the land to hunt food for my family. But the oil beneath the surface of ANWR can also provide jobs, schools and a thriving economy for my people.

I fully understand the fears of many people that the presence of the oil industry on the coastal plains will disrupt the wildlife. They fear that industry activity will destroy a part of this earth that should be preserved.

The Inupiat people probably feel those fears more strongly than people in the lower ‘48. This land is our legacy to our children. This land holds our future and the survival of our culture.

In 1969, when oil was first discovered on our lands, those fears were foremost in our minds as we fought for self-determination in order to be able to protect our resources. Since then, we have had over twenty years of working with the oil industry here. We enacted strict regulations to protect our land and the oil companies have consistently met the standards we imposed.

ANWR holds resources that can be extracted safely with care and concern for the entire eco-system it encompasses. The Inupiat people, working through the North Slope Borough, will act in the same careful, caring and cautious manner we always have when dealing with our lands and the seas.

We have the greatest stake possible in seeing that any and all development is done in such a way as to keep this land safe. Because it is our world. It is where we live. It holds the remains of our ancestors. It holds the future of our children.

[extreeski]

How many of you are not oil consumers?

then I will rant

Dude, I don't care if you build the greatest f'n ski in the world. There's no justification for drillin' in the anwr.

Throw some studded tires on your freakin' prius. When my outback dies, that's what I am buyin. I don't care if it compromises my ability to access snow on bad weather days a little bit.

It's not worth it. Lets drill and drive our guzzlin' suv's till we've warmed the globe up and there's no snow left for you to pillow drop on. Time for humans to evolve or die.

[extreeski]

Here's an interesting perspective...

Inupiat Eskimos First, Best Environmentalists
by Former Mayor Benjamin P. Nageak on ANWR Development

The Inupiat people of the North Slope have called the Arctic their home for thousands of years. Long before the riches of this land and its seas were "discovered" by outside cultures, the Inupiat built a world that centered on their interdependence with the vast and diverse animal life found in their seas, skies and land.

This world of the Arctic, including the vast expanse termed the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge by the United States government, has seen my people’s footprints throughout history. We used the resources God gave us to build a life for our families.

This is why it is hard for my people to understand how anyone can view ANWR as some vast, frozen wilderness untouched by human hands. This picture of ANWR leaves out one of its most important elements - the Inupiat people who have shared the resources of that land with its animals since pre-history.

I was taught by my father to respect the land and it’s resources because our very life depends on them. I realize life is different for me than it was for my father. But we are both the same in our dependence on the resources found on our lands. For my father, it was the food he hunted to feed his family. I also use the land to hunt food for my family. But the oil beneath the surface of ANWR can also provide jobs, schools and a thriving economy for my people.

I fully understand the fears of many people that the presence of the oil industry on the coastal plains will disrupt the wildlife. They fear that industry activity will destroy a part of this earth that should be preserved.

The Inupiat people probably feel those fears more strongly than people in the lower ‘48. This land is our legacy to our children. This land holds our future and the survival of our culture.

In 1969, when oil was first discovered on our lands, those fears were foremost in our minds as we fought for self-determination in order to be able to protect our resources. Since then, we have had over twenty years of working with the oil industry here. We enacted strict regulations to protect our land and the oil companies have consistently met the standards we imposed.

ANWR holds resources that can be extracted safely with care and concern for the entire eco-system it encompasses. The Inupiat people, working through the North Slope Borough, will act in the same careful, caring and cautious manner we always have when dealing with our lands and the seas.

We have the greatest stake possible in seeing that any and all development is done in such a way as to keep this land safe. Because it is our world. It is where we live. It holds the remains of our ancestors. It holds the future of our children.

Gee, so some educated rich eskimo who stands to make a serious buck on his land while trading his children's future has something to say. But what about the generations of wild animals that will be affected by oil spills and mishaps, not to mention roads and construction.

I've travelled the world and seen what is done to native lands sold out by their own people.

Have you ever been to Coca Ecuador? You should see the pools of oil polluting the pipeline.

[SLCFreshies]

How many of you are not oil consumers?

I am most certainly an oil consumer. And I also believe that the US should pursue energy independence.

But how should we pursue long-term energy independence? By both resource and energy production AND energy conservation. But Bush's policies have not addressed energy conservation at all. We have no carbon tax. SUVs and large trucks are exempt from CAFE fuel-economy regulations. Our gas is too cheap. Our mass transit sucks. In fact, federal Amtrak funding has been eliminated in the most recent budget. And we're spending BILLIONS of more dollars on new roads.

To me, THAT is what pisses me off so much about ANWR. We're going to go and destroy one of the last pristine, unadultered areas of our country, if not the world. And for what? Six more months of oil production? So everyone can drive their big ass SUVs and pickup trucks with HEMIs? How will this solve our energy problem? What's the point of more drilling WITHOUT more conservation?

ANWR is nothing but a ploy to make rich oilmen even richer off of our nation's land.

[Twoplanker]

then I will rant

Dude, I don't care if you build the greatest f'n ski in the world. There's no justification for drillin' in the anwr.

Throw some studded tires on your freakin' prius. When my outback dies, that's what I am buyin. I don't care if it compromises my ability to access snow on bad weather days a little bit.

It's not worth it. Lets drill and drive our guzzlin' suv's till we've warmed the globe up and there's no snow left for you to pillow drop on. Time for humans to evolve or die.

Dude, I haven't, and don't, provide any justifcation for drilling in ANWR. I don't want to drill there, or anywhere else for oil. But I sure do need a lot of it and it's gonna come from somewhere.

It's just curious to me why so many people seem to look down their noses at oil production from their petroleum-laden lives.

Americans drive home in their SUVs sipping on a latte in a plastic cup, hop onto the Internet and start ranting about the ghastly consequences of oil drilling. Hey -- the emperor has no clothes!

I love the environment and I want everything to be green and pretty and pristine. But I'm an oil-chugging, SUV driving, petroleum slathered, wealthy American. Arguing against drilling for oil anywhere would make me a pathetic hypocrite. But hey, that's just me.

I might drive a milkshake-powered car someday to make me feel better, but until I start living in a teepee off the grid, I'll just be fooling myself. I'm a petro-junky.

I'd love to argue that we should keep the oil rigs out of ANWR, but, like most Americans, most people living in a industrialized country, I'm up to my armpits in petroleum and I don't have the balls to pretend like I'm not a part of the problem and I'm not willing to give the stuff up.

Until I'm willing to give up my automobiles, the fuel that they consume, the plastics in the products that I use, like the keys on this keyboard, like the skis I sell and use, medicines, and basically the 3 gallons petroleum that I consume each day on average (like every other person living in a developed nation) I'll keep my mouth shut about oil drilling and production unless I have a better solution for providing energy for the world.

Let me know when you guys get it all worked out.

[Twoplanker]

Gee, so some educated rich eskimo who stands to make a serious buck on his land while trading his children's future has something to say. But what about the generations of wild animals that will be affected by oil spills and mishaps, not to mention roads and construction.

I've travelled the world and seen what is done to native lands sold out by their own people.

Have you ever been to Coca Ecuador? You should see the pools of oil polluting the pipeline.

In case your travels ever take you to Alaska, if you call an Inupiat an eskimo, he's likely to kick you square in the nuts.

[The AD]

I love the environment and I want everything to be green and pretty and pristine. But I'm an oil-chugging, SUV driving, petroleum slathered, wealthy American. Arguing against drilling for oil anywhere would make me a pathetic hypocrite. But hey, that's just me.

So, since I ski at resorts would I be a hypocrite for opposing building a new resort in, say, a wilderness area?

Yes, we all use lots of petroleum on a daily basis. There are plenty of places where oil drilling is already established. I don't think arguing against drilling in a new location makes someone a hypocrite.

[Duker]

I think I agree with twoplanker on this. The fact is we dont have a resonable alternative source to petroleum. Id be willing to bet that none of us are really sacraficing our time to find a new source. Therefore, We are going to use every last drop of oil on the earth anyway. So perhaps Anwr was not a matter of if, but when? He's right, I use a crap load of petroleum and Im definatley not making any sacrafices in my life to Save Anwr or any other place from drilling. Are you?

[SLCFreshies]

I think I agree with twoplanker on this. The fact is we dont have a resonable alternative source to petroleum. Id be willing to bet that none of us are really sacraficing our time to find a new source. Therefore, We are going to use every last drop of oil on the earth anyway. So perhaps Anwr was not a matter of if, but when? He's right, I use a crap load of petroleum and Im definatley not making any sacrafices in my life to Save Anwr or any other place from drilling. Are you?

Why does everything have to be about more drilling? It's no wonder that the Salt Lake valley is choking in its own pollution. How about using LESS oil? The US uses about 60 barrels of oil per 100,000 people per day. EU countries use almost half-that. Are their lives that much worse off than ours?

How about this factoid. If the average fuel economy of all our cars increased by THREE miles per gallon, some have estimated that we could save as much oil as can be extracted from ANWR over 10 years.

I seriously doubt that the additional oil that we use compared to other industrialized nations is providing us with any significant benefit. And our oil habit is not forever quenchable. At SOME point, we will have to deal with living in a petroleum-scarce world. Opening ANWR only delays that day of reckoning for 6 whole months.

[ill-advised strategy]

change wildlife refuge drilling areas every 6 months, or 6000 miles.