C4... 993 or 964?

[GeezerSteve]

I approve of the direction this thread has taken

[MontuckyFried]

If I had $20million liquid/no debt I might get one.

Wow, you're a freaking tightwad! You'd really wait til you had $20 million liquid with no debt to MAYBE buy a car that's anywhere from mid $10Ks to $100K depending on preference? And in the meanwhile you look down on others who choose to spend their money in different ways than you? So now we know that Big Steve is (A) an attorney, and (B) Jewish. I'm half Jew myself, which is probably why it just kills me to spend money on anything unnecessary (I always have to try really hard to justify fun things to myself), and why I negotiate on everything, but damn, you take the cake Mr. Goldstein.

[BmillsSkier]

Big Steve projects his insecurities in an Insight


I come from a long line of Porschephiles and have/do own a couple 911s myself most recent being my fathers old 997 when he got his new 991. Little surprised at the amount of hyperbole in this thread but hey, it's the internets.

That 993 as pretty as I think they are are just as easily replaced with a higher mileage 997 in your search (or 996 if you are ok with the looks)

As someone also mentioned the 996 is the best bang for your buck. I also think the seal issue brought up, as legitimate as it may be, is a little overblown here. These things aren't guaranteed to fail as some have alluded to here. That and not everyone is looking for the TT (which I agree is awesome).

The 964 is so pretty but as someone touched on, those things are almost guaranteed to put you backwards in a turn if you're on it and get cold feet.

Either way sounds like you know what you want and may have some options. Post up what you're seeing and let us Porsche dorks enjoy your process! Good luck!

[GeezerSteve]

Wow, you're a freaking tightwad! You'd really wait til you had $20 million liquid with no debt to MAYBE buy a car that's anywhere from mid $10Ks to $100K depending on preference?

It's not about being a tightwad, which I'm not. It's about the marginal value of money, i.e., I'd buy a Porsche only if the price represented some miniscule fraction of my wealth. You might want to research the concept of marginal value of money, a concept that Tea Baggers are incapable of grasping.

So now we know that Big Steve is. . . Jewish

Nope, I'm a goy. Wrong again

. . . you look down on others who choose to spend their money in different ways than you?

I'm not looking down on anyone. Or perhaps it's more accurate to say that I look down on everyone, including myself. Anyway, people who buy Porsches invite being laughed at. If that needs to be explained to you, you'll never get it.

Big Steve projects his insecurities in an Insight

Which proves that my insecurities are minor, especially compared to a guy who would spend a significant portion of his wealth on a late model Poser Porsche.

[BmillsSkier]

That's some strong smug there Steve, even for TGR - coming to a thread about some guy buying something to tell us how your automotive financial decisions are morally superior. Keep it up though I think this thread has legs now.

[Hugh Conway]

bmills - the seal handwringing is funny as shit for a car that'll barely get driven and is mostly a vanity play. the mileage is in the spewing and picking like ferrari buyers jerking each other off over spec'ing a good car. For fun times, get this LS1 swapped 996:
http://bringatrailer.com/2013/10/18/...d-porsche-911/

I approve of the direction this thread has taken

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[BmillsSkier]

bmills - the seal handwringing is funny as shit for a car that'll barely get driven and is mostly a vanity play. the mileage is in the spewing and picking like ferrari buyers jerking each other off over spec'ing a good car.

Isn't that the truth? I can admit that these things are garage queens 5 days out of the week for most people. Shit even with the occasional PCA track day you're still not going to do any real damage other than to maybe the tires.

I saw Usher driving his Carerra GT at Whole Foods the other day and I wonder now if he has concerns over the build quality of his rig? Must keep him up at night.

[GeezerSteve]

. . . tell us how your automotive financial decisions are morally superior

Where did I do that? I IDd my car only because somebody asked what I drive.

I don't give a flying fuck what you or anyone else drives -- and therein lies the irony: A guy who drive a late model Poser Porsches more than anything else wants everyone else to care about what the guy drives.

So, who looks down on others? The late model Poser Porsche owner, the smuggest of the smug, of course. Pretty fucking obvious. And we get to laugh at them. That's how the deal works.

[BmillsSkier]

Calm down Steve. You didn't have to say that you're projecting your automotive superiority explicitly; your posts taken as a whole say that clearly.

Sure some douches buy them and other cars to show off but since you seem to know what's going on inside every Porsche owners' head I guess we won't even allow for other possibilities right?

Can't wait till you call out Ice as a short dicked douche who cares about nothing more than impressing everyone with his 4 wheeled Stuttgart bling. We'll be right here waiting.

[GeezerSteve]

Ooooo, BM, getting a bit defensive.

I spend precisely zero intellectual or emotional energy re what's going in on a Poser Porsche driver's head cuz I don't give a shit. And that's what drives Poser Porsche drivers mad -- because they ache for people to care about their conspicuous consumption vanity purchase. But those who have matured beyond the adolescent envy stage of life don't give a fuck about what someone else drives.

We're not laughing at the Porsches. They are nice cars. We are laughing at those who buy them. Get it now?

[stfu&gbtw]

Ooooo, BM, getting a bit defensive.

I spend precisely zero intellectual or emotional energy re what's going in on a Poser Porsche driver's head cuz I don't give a shit. And that's what drives Poser Porsche drivers mad -- because they ache for people to care about their conspicuous consumption vanity purchase. But those who have matured beyond the adolescent envy stage of life don't give a fuck about what someone else drives.

We're not laughing at the Porsches. They are nice cars. We are laughing at those who buy them. Get it now?

The reason it's so obvious your projecting, Steve, is that you came in here to spray about NOT owning a Porsche. You say you have zero energy invested, yet you have a unified theory of porsche ownership that you're certain applies to everyone who owns one. You say that a mature person doesn't care what someone else drives, but you're taking pride in laughing at someone for buying a particular car... Not seeing the irony there? Some people might by porsches because they think it's a status symbol, but a lot of people buy them to drive them. But whatever a person's reason may be, you're the person who has something invested in judging the people around you and keeping track of who's driving what...

As long as you're here, tell us again how your Honda Insight corresponds to your big dick... lol...

[GeezerSteve]

Keep on with the defense mechanisms, boys. It's all very amusing.

[stfu&gbtw]

Keep on with the defense mechanisms, boys. It's all very amusing.

Not that you care...

[Hugh Conway]

Some people might by porsches because they think it's a status symbol, but a lot of people buy them to drive them.

meh, judging by miles on resale, most sports/exotics are garage queens these days. not saying they aren't bought to be driven, just people don't buy them to drive them.

[BmillsSkier]

A guy who drive a late model Poser Porsches more than anything else wants everyone else to care about what the guy drives.

So, who looks down on others? The late model Poser Porsche owner, the smuggest of the smug, of course. Pretty fucking obvious. And we get to laugh at them. That's how the deal works.

I spend precisely zero intellectual or emotional energy re what's going in on a Poser Porsche driver's head cuz I don't give a shit.

What? This was two posts apart.

Relax man, let's hear more about that Insight.

[BmillsSkier]

meh, judging by miles on resale, most sports/exotics are garage queens these days. not saying they aren't bought to be driven, just people don't buy them to drive them.

I don't disagree Hugh but I would amend your statement to say that most do buy them to drive them it's just they buy them to drive them within very small parameters.

[GeezerSteve]

very small parameters

very small what?

[BmillsSkier]

very small what?

You know what they say about guys who keep talking about the size of other people's cocks don't you? NTTAWWT in your case.

Keep projecting though Steve this is killing time beautifully for me today, and you obviously have no traffic tickets to defend today. (to keep it automotive themed poo flinging)

[XXX-er]

Yup. Not knocking the Insight or anything, but I'm guessing that when it comes to Porsches, you just plain don't get it.

Do you wana work lots to be able to afford to sit in/run the engine of an expensive car OR get out and do "it" ?

If this was a porsche forum there wouldn't be much point in coming on a specific forum about something of which I could care less to diss the members but last time I looked TGR has no porsche forum no rolex forum ... this is a ski/bike/surf/kayak/fish forum which is all about getting out and doing "it "

as to why you would choose whatever you chose I will not form a judgement ... altho steve has

edit: not much place to drive a porsche up here what with there only being one highway thru the mountains SO instead guys buy big diesel pickups raise em,chip em,equip em ... same game

[GeezerSteve]

You know what they say about guys who keep talking about the size of other people's cocks don't you?

Huh? I was commenting on the size of Porsche drivers' very small parameters (borrowing your term, of course).

And your knowledge on the subject suggests that you hang out with guys who talk lots about cock size. Hey, that's cool. I'm tolerant of such lifestyles of you and your buds. I'm in Seattle, ya know.

[gretch6364]

I do believe your username is "Big" Steve...so right off the bat, you started compensating when you signed up for the forum.

[BmillsSkier]

Huh? I was commenting on the size of Porsche drivers' very small parameters (borrowing your term, of course).

And your knowledge on the subject suggests that you hang out with guys who talk lots about cock size. Hey, that's cool. I'm tolerant of such lifestyles of you and your buds. I'm in Seattle, ya know.

Your first comment got a chortle out of me. Whatever this is ^^^ ruined a good joke you made.

[GeezerSteve]

I do believe your username is "Big" Steve...so right off the bat, you started compensating when you signed up for the forum.

I did not choose that name. It was assigned to me by a friend 25+ years ago, got picked up in the ultrarunning community and it stuck.

Anyway, a guy goes on a ski forum posting about buying a late model Porsche, and then people get all offended when someone makes fun? Sheez, how pathetic.

"Envy is ignorance" Ralph Waldo Emerson

[Art Shirk]

You spend too much money on skiing and mountaineering Steve. I am not judging you, of course. I spend my money more wisely. Again, I am not judging you.

[Hugh Conway]

You spend too much money on skiing and mountaineering Steve. I am not judging you, of course. I spend my money more wisely. Again, I am not judging you.

you say that like people on who spend money on skiing/mountaineering but aren't judged to do it enough or well enough aren't mocked on TGR.

bmills- I was more aiming for other marques, but Porsche works too. there's a number of ferrari's out there that just aren't driven. sub Xk miles where X is number of years it's been in the wild. I mean, maybe I'm just a super-beater but it takes a couple hundred miles a to get basicly comfortable for me. the number of wrecked exotics with very low miles suggests it takes others a few miles to get comfortable too