Women-specific Avy courses

[homemadesalsa]

Take it outside, guys. We're trying to have a productive conversation here. Go dick up someone else's thread.

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[LeeLau]

Rog _ i thought you told me you would at least try to not cunt up Slide Zone threads? Ski/Snowboard is fair game of course

Edit - what Homemadesalsa said

[icelanticskier]

Rog _ i thought you told me you would at least try to not cunt up Slide Zone threads? Ski/Snowboard is fair game of course

Edit - what Homemadesalsa said

yup, my bad. you got it. sorry

techtalk ok too?

rog

[LeeLau]

yup, my bad. you got it. sorry

techtalk ok too?

rog

That's fair. TGR's about spray so everything but SlideZone counts - thanks!

[icelanticskier]

That's fair. TGR's about spray so everything but SlideZone counts - thanks!

GREAT! my pleasure

rog

[Jonathan S.]

oohhhhh it's the heuristic babble with miniscule sample size time of year!

What only a portion of the year is reserved for that?
Seriously though, I don't attribute much significance (in any sense) to that study, and my citation was intended just as a quickie semi-humorous reply to a certain someone else's post of, "so maybe men and women shouldn't tour/make decisions together in the bc?" -- which in hindsight really didn't merit a response.

[skifishbum]

would seem to me that a chick specfic avvy course would be most useful if your tours were chick specfic
Coed group dynamics are ussually interesting. Not sure other than feeling more comfortable in that particular learning enviorment what would or could really be gained.
If your hesitent to speak up or learn in a coed enviorment how will avoiding that enable her/them to speak up ask questions and learn in future coed tours?
I'm pretty proactive w/ mrs. bums snow safety skills and trying to encourage/force her to be vocal and active in all aspects from breakin trail/route finding, terrain chocies, pit work,companion rescue,group dynamics etc.
basically ive tried to make her a great bc partner which at it's core isn't what any avvy course should be attempting.
I'm kind of curious as to what skills you would like her to acquire that you and your crew don't feel comfortable attempting to teach her
or is it a bit more than 1/2 wanting her to meet other ripper bc chicas ?
which could be done w/out taking a avvy class gender reguardless?
I wish my wife worked harder on being a stronger faster more competent skier
but i created a all about the up freak

[icelanticskier]

which in hindsight really didn't merit a response.

well I wasn't being serious. you should know that. especially given how many women I tour/have toured with. touring with women roolz. they are smarter, have better gut instincts, and turn for turn ski much better/smoother, and less impactful in the bc. imo.

rog

[meter-man]

would seem to me that a chick specfic avvy course would be most useful if your tours were chick specfic
Coed group dynamics are ussually interesting. Not sure other than feeling more comfortable in that particular learning enviorment what would or could really be gained.
If your hesitent to speak up or learn in a coed enviorment how will avoiding that enable her/them to speak up ask questions and learn in future coed tours?
I'm pretty proactive w/ mrs. bums snow safety skills and trying to encourage/force her to be vocal and active in all aspects from breakin trail/route finding, terrain chocies, pit work,companion rescue,group dynamics etc.
basically ive tried to make her a great bc partner which at it's core isn't what any avvy course should be attempting.
I'm kind of curious as to what skills you would like her to acquire that you and your crew don't feel comfortable attempting to teach her
or is it a bit more than 1/2 wanting her to meet other ripper bc chicas ?
which could be done w/out taking a avvy class gender reguardless?
I wish my wife worked harder on being a stronger faster more competent skier
but i created a all about the up freak

Since I started what devolved into a 7th grade lunchroom, figured I would respond.

As I said initially, this is more about getting my girl out there with some rad chicks, and maybe finding some new backcountry partners. My girl grew up surfing and swimming, and didn't start climbing/snowboarding/splitboarding etc until I met her. So she is a relatively recent convert, and lives in SF - hardly a prime place to meet chicks with hike to ride. Plus, SHE is fired up about learning more about the snow and snow science (she has a science background), and general mountain protocol and awareness.

She does not give a shit about gender dynamics. She just wants to skin, ride, be safe, and not be forced to smell some guy named G-Funk's farts.

Like I said, she did not grow up backpacking and doing mountain stuff, so when we first met, I definitely led the way on backpacking and climbing trips. A few years ago, she and a girlfriend decided that they wanted to hike the John Muir Trail (200+ miles thru the high Sierra). In June. Anyway, 17 days later, including the first 5 days all on snow, she knew how to navigate, plan for, and master the mountains in a way she would have never learned with me telling or showing. And if she finds more girls to go out with in the BC, she will be more excited to go out. More excited to go out means more time in the mts, refining her skills. So when she goes out in mixed groups, she will be even more competent.

Anyway, she's found other interested girls and they are going to contact some of the folks in Truckee that were suggested earlier. Any other females are welcome - PM me, I'll just pass you to the wifey.

[homemadesalsa]

Cool. Good on you both.

That's the whole goal, really, getting people (M&F) to be comfortable and realistic about conditions. Some people have confidence issues (seems like not your wife, though) and need to learn in a safer environment in order to risk taking those new skills to a tougher group (often mixed gender, where the gal is the least experienced). I truly applaud skifishbum as a really supportive partner who knows how to make room in the decision-making to let his wife explore risk/ decisions. Guys TEND (but not always) to jump first, look second, while the women TEND to want to practice in a low-risk/ safe environment before taking it to the real.

[Hugh Conway]

What only a portion of the year is reserved for that?
Seriously though, I don't attribute much significance (in any sense) to that study, and my citation was intended just as a quickie semi-humorous reply to a certain someone else's post of, "so maybe men and women shouldn't tour/make decisions together in the bc?" -- which in hindsight really didn't merit a response.

eh, just think it's interesting how that one dynamic has gotten so much play/babble over, when ime - age/youth, powerroles, perceived skill, etc are all more common factors in "group dynamics"

[userA]

easier to talk about chicks in the group scene amongst all the alphas residing here.
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[Buster Highmen]

PM me, I'll just pass you to the wifey.

Is her name Rita?

[meter-man]

Is her name Rita?

Obviously.

[Buster Highmen]

OK, just wanted to be sure because nothing is obvious in the digisphere.

[userA]

OK, just wanted to be sure because nothing is obvious in the digisphere.

well since i figured you to be a gynecologist i learned that nothing is obvious in the digisphere.
b

[XXX-er]

Women in a group are different, I seen it lots in kayaking I think it might be good in a BC course, are there many women out there teaching aviy skills ?

I know at least a couple of a group of women who hired a male guide to teach them some aviy skills, I dunno how the course went but the guide seemed to hit off pretty good with one of the girls ... I seen them last summer and they were still happily married

to rogs other atributes which are: failure to custom mold the custom heat moldable intuitions he sells you, refusal to use snowtires, refusal to buy car insurance we can now add ... refusal to acknowledge that men and women think/learn differently

[icelanticskier]

Rog knows best.

That's all YOU need to know.

rog

[XXX-er]

What you know is one possible way of doing things but the thing is rog that altho you may actuly have the odd bit of good advice you have become like the boy who cried wolf ... nobody listens to or gives you any respect

[Hacksaw]

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[meter-man]

http://safeasclinics.wordpress.com/about/

Awesome - this is close to perfect: no Avy 1s on the calendar...yet!

[meter-man]

Awesome - this is close to perfect: no Avy 1s on the calendar...yet!

I take that back. My wife hates yoga. Other than that, it's pretty damn sweet.