Norwegian leading the Iditarod

[Cliff Huckable]

do you mean morons?

mo·ron
Pronunciation: 'mor-"än
Function: noun
Etymology: irregular from Greek mOros foolish, stupid
1 usually offensive : a mildly mentally retarded person
2 : a very stupid person
- mo·ron·ic /m&-'rä-nik, mo-/ adjective
- mo·ron·i·cal·ly /-ni-k(&-)lE/ adverb
- mo·ron·ism /'mOr-"ä-"ni-z&m, 'mor-/ noun
- mo·ron·i·ty /m&-'rä-n&-tE, mo-/ noun

oh and still shut the fuck up

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[Cliff Huckable]

Don't come here with some animal right's activist BS when I'm asking for UNBIASED information.

Animal right's information is necessarily BS? Interesting way of seeing things.

These guys seem to think these dogs are happier if they get to stay on the couch all day.

Persoanlly, I think dogs are happier when they are not subjected to the kind of bullshit described in the posts above.

And when was it necessarily a bad thing to put your body under extreme physical stress.

When you don't have a choice.

I think a lot of people on this board do the same and enjoy it.

They ch-ch-ch-choose to. (Catching on yet?)

When a dog can't perform any more in this race, it's taken out of the race.

Thanks for making my point for me, Johnnie Cochran.

[Snow Ranger]

iditarod = Ikildadog

[runethechamp]

Oh man oh man. When are you going to understand that the dogs like to run and work their asses off? That's what make these dogs happy. Again, try to read Stu's link for the unbiased info where sombody not familiar with the race took the time to look into all these accusations you seem to like so much. It represents info not from the musher's point of view and not from the animal rights activist's view.

[FollowMe]

Cliff...you are a Pansy Ass.

- Brian

[lemon boy]

run- cliff's a city boy with apparently no conception about the natural world or animals. Just don't waste yer time.

[runethechamp]

rune- cliff's a city boy with apparently no conception about the natural world or animals. Just don't waste yer time.

Enough time wasted on him. Congratulations to Robert Sørlie in 1st and the rookie Bjørnar Andersen (yeah, also Norwegian) who just placed 4th.

[Bandogge]

Having been involved in a plethora of working dog activities in my lifetime (Sch. French ring, Campagne, hunting, CKC OB, CKC Agility, weight pulling, Iron Dog...) I would recoment Mr. Huckable spend some time with working dogs and <b>then</b> tell us all again how cruel it is for the dogs... How they have to be forced to run...

Working dogs get hurt Period. Wether a Bulldog dies at the tusks of a hog it has caught, a Terrier dies going to ground, a gun dog gets shot, poisoned, or drowns retrieving quarry... All working activity comes at a risk to the individual... Dogs will get hurt, and sometimes get killed.

Working dogs of any discipline, working at high levels, do it because it is in their blood and soul, and to think anything other than this is to either know absolutely nothing about dogs and their drives, or not care... Which quite frankly is worse.

Furthermore, I'm sure Huckable will volunteer himself at the next mushing conferences to convince some of the best eduacted performance dog folk, on whatever field, that they don't have a clue what they're doing?

What a damn crock...

[Cliff Huckable]

I have a friend that has THREE freaking HUGE huskies. Well, we live in the 'burbs, and neither him or his wife are very active people. He walks them maybe twice a week. He thinks he's doing them a real favor.

These people should not be allowed to have dogs.

Oh man oh man. When are you going to understand that the dogs like to run and work their asses off? That's what make these dogs happy.
Again, try to read Stu's link for the unbiased info where sombody not familiar with the race took the time to look into all these accusations you seem to like so much. It represents info not from the musher's point of view and not from the animal rights activist's view.

I've been a dog trainer for years and am currently writing a book on dog training.
Do dogs love to run? Yes.
Do dogs love to be tethered to a heavy sleigh and forced to run endlessly over snow and ice under a whip and under great stress. No.

I'll check the link out - I just checked the link out. Have you read it? I wouldn't call that unbiased! Things are OK because they're "time-honored"? Please, that's just stupid.
Anyway, let's say nobody is 100% wrong or right but - The bottom line is that the dogs are forced to do something they wouldn't do naturally, and the result is too often poor health, injury, and/or death.
This isn't rushing medical supplies to the troops - this is a race in which people can win money, nothing more. Hardly a necessary. Hardly a reason for dogs to suffer.

[Cliff Huckable]

Having been involved in a plethora of working dog activities in my lifetime (Sch. French ring, Campagne, hunting, CKC OB, CKC Agility, weight pulling, Iron Dog...) I would recoment Mr. Huckable spend some time with working dogs and <b>then</b> tell us all again how cruel it is for the dogs... How they have to be forced to run...

Working dogs get hurt Period. Wether a Bulldog dies at the tusks of a hog it has caught, a Terrier dies going to ground, a gun dog gets shot, poisoned, or drowns retrieving quarry... All working activity comes at a risk to the individual... Dogs will get hurt, and sometimes get killed.

Working dogs of any discipline, working at high levels, do it because it is in their blood and soul, and to think anything other than this is to either know absolutely nothing about dogs and their drives, or not care... Which quite frankly is worse.

Furthermore, I'm sure Huckable will volunteer himself at the next mushing conferences to convince some of the best eduacted performance dog folk, on whatever field, that they don't have a clue what they're doing?

What a damn crock...

Really?
I'm a dog trainer and a specialist in rehabilitating violent dogs (I get dogs from allover the world). I'm writing a book on it.
What did you do with dogs, exactly?

[Bandogge]

"The bottom line is that the dogs are forced"

How exactly does one force a group of dogs to run as a team?

Good luck with that book Chief.... Something tells me you're gonna need it.

[Cliff Huckable]

"The bottom line is that the dogs are forced"

How exactly does one force a group of dogs to run as a team?

Good luck with that book Chief.... Something tells me you're gonna need it.

Are you on glue?
They don't need any help at all, Einstein. The dogs pull on the harnesses, attach them to the sleigh, whip themselves...

AGAIN: Tell me what your "involvement" with dogs has been, exactly?

[KQ]

You know...it's not always about the actual race but the care in between. Take a look into Greyhound racing, horse racing etc. and you will find many, many sad stories of abuse for those who just couldn't perform.

[Bandogge]

- Numerous Brevet's,1's and 2's in French ring.
- Brevet and 1 in Campagne.
- Sch. AD's, BH's, 1's and a 2
- Iron Dog BST, WST
- CD 1 and 2

This is all on my own dogs... No client tiles have been mentioned...

How 'bout you?

[Bandogge]

"The dogs pull on the harnesses, attach them to the sleigh, whip themselves..."

Psssst... Your ignorance is showing! lol

[teledave]

Anyway, let's say nobody is 100% wrong or right but - The bottom line is that the dogs are forced to do something they wouldn't do naturally

First off, Cliff, you are an idioit.
Huskies are bred to to pull something. It's in there genetic code, they want to do it and will do it until they kill themselves. It is the human in charge of the dogs duty to make sure that they do not kill themselves in the process.

I had 2 huskies (both of which lived more than 12 years) that would drag me around whenever I tried to walk them until one day I got the brilliant idea to hitch them up to Red Flyer wagon and let them pull me. Talk about a scary ride. They absolutely loved it and would go nuts anytime the wagon came out of the basement. I do think that they would have run themselves into heat stroke if I hadn't limited the length of the excursions.

Go back to writing your book and STFU.

(RIP-Musher & Ceasar, I still miss you guys every day)

[powder11]

Really?
Not only do I suffer from Diarrhea of the mouth, Im a flaming homo streetfighter, dog trainer and a specialist in having sex with violent dogs (I get dogs from allover the world). I'm writing a book on it.
What did you do with dogs, exactly?

beat it homo

[Cliff Huckable]

- Numerous Brevet's,1's and 2's in French ring.
- Brevet and 1 in Campagne.
- Sch. AD's, BH's, 1's and a 2
- Iron Dog BST, WST
- CD 1 and 2

This is all on my own dogs... No client tiles have been mentioned...

How 'bout you?

Nice. That must be a lot of fun with your dogs.
Now I only do regular dog training here and there, mainly to help out with problem dogs. Mainly, I rehabilitated violent dogs. The 'worst' kind - dogs with police records, feral dogs, etc. Only one at a time. They come and live with me - and, once they are ready, sleep with me every night, too.

[PNWbrit]

- and, once they are ready, sleep with me every night, too.

So you're like the Michael Jackson of dogs?

[Cliff Huckable]

First off, Cliff, you are an idioit.
Huskies are bred to to pull something. It's in there genetic code, they want to do it and will do it until they kill themselves. It is the human in charge of the dogs duty to make sure that they do not kill themselves in the process.

I had 2 huskies (both of which lived more than 12 years) that would drag me around whenever I tried to walk them until one day I got the brilliant idea to hitch them up to Red Flyer wagon and let them pull me. Talk about a scary ride. They absolutely loved it and would go nuts anytime the wagon came out of the basement. I do think that they would have run themselves into heat stroke if I hadn't limited the length of the excursions.

Go back to writing your book and STFU.

(RIP-Musher & Ceasar, I still miss you guys every day)

OK - you are admitting your dogs would have run themselves into heat-stroke if you'd let them, so we agree on that.

You say the human is in charge of the dogs' health. Agree again.

You say I'm an idiot. Agree again.

You said that stuff about genetics. Genetics are not your strong suit, but I get your point - huskies pull.

So, what do we disagree on?!

I can only assume it is this: you think the humans crossing the 1,150 mile course to win the prize money will put the health of their dogs first, and I do not.

Sorry to hear about your dogs - the wagon sounds fun as hell.

[Svengali]

First off, Congrats to Robert Sorlie
Secondly, I've spent a fair bit of time around mushing/doglots
and the only dead dog I ever saw was at the dinner table-just kidding!
Third: Cliff, shut up and stick to what you might know something about
ie: milking collies? knitting sweaters from pet hair?