Hello Friends...The 2013 Masters Thread

[philth]

It seems that ESPN is supporting the decision while TGC is hammering him. Follow the money?

So f-ing true!

[montanaskier]

Harrington rule.....no issues

Some players seem ok while others don't. Whole thing is a shame, he isn't winning 5 back anyway.

[guroo270]

I think if it was some bullshit roundabout thing where it was clear they didn't want to DQ Tiger because of who he is that's one thing, but he is evidently within this new rule. It sucks that I lost some money on Sergio a few years back because of scorecard issue that now would have been fine, but he was DQ'd, but hey, que vas a hacer?

Honestly, with everything so accounted for, aside from calling the penalties on yourself, should the golfers really still be responsible for their scores anymore? They have signs following them all over the place, they have the leader board. They obviously know what everyone is shooting.

[iceman]

The new rule is a 2-stroke penalty, he takes the penalty and plays on, what's the problem?

[Garth Bimble]

I wish penalties for slow play were more common. If you ask any of the old timers what's wrong with today's game, in front of the golf ball being too advanced they'll say slow play. Some guys go so far as to say they wouldn't even play today's game because of it. It would have been pretty terrible though if the kid didn't get to stick around for the weekend because of it.

Going back a few years ago when I used to caddie some of the older members would complain about how slow Nicklaus was...guess it's all relative I guess.

[montanaskier]

Chamblee Is a smug douche

[gatorboy]

he isn't winning 5 back anyway.

....pants on fire....hanging from a telephone wire.

If there's ever been a fire in his belly, I bet it's today....especially if the course stays soft (actually teeing off an hour or so earlier will most likely benefit him).

[gatorboy]

Chamblee Is a smug douche

QFTMFT...especially for a player that did relatively little (1 win) while on the tour.

[Garth Bimble]

FWIW, the shot Tiger hit that is creating all this controversy was actually one hell of a shot. It's not unreasonable to think that he could have very well made 4 on the hole, certainly nothing worse than 5...the fact that he wound up with a frosty is a pretty stiff penalty for making a good shot.

[Tye 1on]

FWIW, the shot Tiger hit that is creating all this controversy was actually one hell of a shot. It's not unreasonable to think that he could have very well made 4 on the hole, certainly nothing worse than 5...the fact that he wound up with a frosty is a pretty stiff penalty for making a good shot.

Uh, no. It was when he broke the rules to improve his next shot. He should withdraw.

[Tye 1on]

The new rule is a 2-stroke penalty, he takes the penalty and plays on, what's the problem?

I thought the new rule was basically to keep unknown infractions that were called in by tv viewers from dq'ing a player. In this case he admitted it in an interview.

This is not an obscure rule, it's basic: what are your 3 options when your ball is lost in a hazard. He mixed two of them together. Dumb dumb dumb.

[Garth Bimble]

Uh, no. It was when he broke the rules to improve his next shot. He should withdraw.

Maybe I should have said "started" instead of "created"?

[Tye 1on]

Maybe I should have said "started" instead of "created"?

For sure, for that matter the shot he hit AFTER the drop was awesome!!! But he admitted going back behind his previous shot to not hit the pin again. Without that statement the 2shot penalty would have been appropriate. With it, DQ.

[wooley12]

A sad day for golf. Cheating is allowed at the discretion of the tournament committee. He knew he was dropping EXACTLY two yards back from the original spot. He should have known the simple rules for dropping. I can't believe he factored in the new rule and thought " I'm TW and the green jacketed members will back me."

Bobby Jones is rolling over in his grave.

[Tye 1on]

A sad day for golf. Cheating is allowed at the discretion of the tournament committee. He knew he was dropping EXACTLY two yards back from the original spot. He should have known the simple rules for dropping. I can't believe he factored in the new rule and thought " I'm TW and the green jacketed members will back me."

Bobby Jones is rolling over in his grave.

i don't believe he factored in the new rule, i believe he mixed up the drop rules and his caddy didn't correct him. Rookie mistake, but if he has any integrity he should withdraw.

[guroo270]

I consider myself a pretty staunch traditionalist, but I'm finding myself siding with NCAA bracket champ GB on this one. The committee met with him to go over it before he signed his card, and the committee made a ruling, then he signed the card.

I also think that during the greatest mentally challenging moment and triumph I've ever seen - hitting a great shot, hitting the stick, ball bounds in the water just as he's making his charge for the lead, and to stick another shot to 2 feet - the one thing he didn't take note of was that the ball entered the hazard on a different line, and that he couldn't take the ball as far back as he wanted from the point of entry. Dude shoulda made 4, took an 8. A hefty penalty if you ask me, and he's taking the penalty that is assessed to him, no questions. What more do you want from the guy? It's a new fucking rule... so what? Would you like to DQ every person who took a lateral drop in a red staked area because they started out only having yellow staked hazards?

[Tye 1on]

I consider myself a pretty staunch traditionalist, but I'm finding myself siding with NCAA bracket champ GB on this one. The committee met with him to go over it before he signed his card, and the committee made a ruling, then he signed the card.

I also think that during the greatest mentally challenging moment and triumph I've ever seen - hitting a great shot, hitting the stick, ball bounds in the water just as he's making his charge for the lead, and to stick another shot to 2 feet - the one thing he didn't take note of was that the ball entered the hazard on a different line, and that he couldn't take the ball as far back as he wanted from the point of entry. Dude shoulda made 4, took an 8. A hefty penalty if you ask me, and he's taking the penalty that is assessed to him, no questions. What more do you want from the guy? It's a new fucking rule... so what? Would you like to DQ every person who took a lateral drop in a red staked area because they started out only having yellow staked hazards?

the rule he broke is one of the oldest ones isn't it?

[iceman]

Hey if you ain't cheatin you ain't tryin.

wait that's baseball. close enough.

[guroo270]

If the ball had gone directly in the water, he could have taken the ball back as far as he wanted. He mixed up two rulings and made a mistake, a rookie mistake, and he's being penalized heavily for it.

[Garth Bimble]

I consider myself a pretty staunch traditionalist, but I'm finding myself siding with NCAA bracket champ GB on this one. The committee met with him to go over it before he signed his card, and the committee made a ruling, then he signed the card.

I also think that during the greatest mentally challenging moment and triumph I've ever seen - hitting a great shot, hitting the stick, ball bounds in the water just as he's making his charge for the lead, and to stick another shot to 2 feet - the one thing he didn't take note of was that the ball entered the hazard on a different line, and that he couldn't take the ball as far back as he wanted from the point of entry. Dude shoulda made 4, took an 8. A hefty penalty if you ask me, and he's taking the penalty that is assessed to him, no questions. What more do you want from the guy? It's a new fucking rule... so what? Would you like to DQ every person who took a lateral drop in a red staked area because they started out only having yellow staked hazards?

I'm not saying he shouldn't be DQ'd...I just hate to see someone get penalized for hitting a GOOD shot. That said, TW's hit some miraculous shots over the years that involved a certain level of good fortune to them...bottom rail on top this time I guess.

[jfost]

if the standard is "near as possible" is it a drop or do you place it? If a drop, wouldn't you actively have to TRY and drop it just behind the divot?

[guroo270]

You could argue that you have to try to drop it in the divot, like if your ball plugs on a wet day, you literally have to try to drop it in the pitch mark. It's stupid. I know that one includes a penalty and one does not, but for the most part, when you incur a penalty, 99% of the time you get two club lengths. I understand that this rule with this option does not, but it should be within two club lengths.

[Garth Bimble]

if the standard is "near as possible" is it a drop or do you place it? If a drop, wouldn't you actively have to TRY and drop it just behind the divot?

That's what he should have done. Even if he had dropped it ON the divot and it rolled back 2 yards he would have had to drop it again to try and get it as close as possible, I think.

[Tye 1on]

If he would have dropped within a foot nobody would have said a peep. When he said he went back to improve his next shot he hung himself with his own words.

[guroo270]

Nah, if it rolled no closer to the hole it'd be fine. When you are trying to drop it within two club lengths and it rolls more than two clubs away 3 times you get to place it, which is why sometimes you'll see pros dropping where it definitely will roll out of that area so they can place it.

If he would have dropped within a foot nobody would have said a peep. When he said he went back to improve his next shot he hung himself with his own words.

This is true. Hell, even with the drop he did take, if he hadn't said anything he would have been fine. That's what the initial, pre score card signing meeting was about. They reopened it when he opened his mouth.