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I think Buster should hold out for the patent on a camera/posting PDA, possibly a digicam, built into the glove for realtime posting from the slopes.

Hestra, which appears to have gotten soft (literally) had a nice psuedo-leather mitt at SIA with a cell phone built into it. They weren't showing any of the old burly goat hides they were known for.

[Buzzworthy]

Originally posted by Cornholio
Seems like lots of people have said this, but this is my thought, too:

Remove the concept of a "liner". I want an "internal glove" and an "external glove", both of which can be worn alone.

I won't buy a glove without a long gauntlet anymore.

I haven't used little cords since I was six, but I've pretty much reverted to kindergarten-like behavior in every other aspect of my life, so why not?

Make sure your ultra-tough palm material wraps around the outside of the palm enough to ensure durability if one were to wrap a cord or rope around your palm to tug on it. Eg:

http://www.douglasgill.com/prod-745glove-180.gif

Seems like you have good ideas so far, doods. Keep it up!!

I like this too. Internal glove and a mitten like my Outdoor Research Guantlet shells with sinch straps at the top of the gauntlet and as the wrist. Keep the kevlar on the Outdoor mitten and for the inner "removeable" glove, somthing like a cross country glove with waterproof leather palms and a snot wipe area. Thus winter and spring gloves and mittens all in one purchase. I like outside mittens shells that are bomber proof and inside "sleak, cross-country like gloves" for the inside.

Make things much easier when it is quite cold to pull of the mitten shells and still have you hands covered to put on gear, take off gear, smoke one, grab a beer from the back of the truck............

I only had time to skim this thread but great ideas all over.

The penguin glove thing is nice too as a snowboarder. I got a pair a few years ago that were pretty good, not bomber, but lasted 3 seasons. $45. I have no idea where Spats is shopping.

-Buzz

[truth]

For a great example of a gauntlet that works check the Black Diamond Guide glove. Very pricey but very warm and dry. Only thing I'd change on the kev design is a nose friendly snot wipe. That glove is going to trash my skin, which is perfect, no?

I'd wager that a PMgear gauntlet uber glove at or below the $60.00 price point would sell like mad. So what can you do with another $21.00 in materials? Should be quite a bit.

[Buzzworthy]

Splat, check out the OR guantlet. I have a pair and I can send them with 2P if you want to take a look. I think the size of guantlet on these puppys is perfect. Hell, since I snowboard, I have to push myslf up off the ground at lifts and if I bite it in the pow. Biting it in the Pow sucks on a board when its feets deep and my OR mittens have never failed me in putting my arms into the snow up to my armpits to push out. Never have gotten snow in them for 4 years now.

Or you could just make the guanlet all the way to your armpit?

[altagirl]

I'm in the group that NEEDS mittens to keep my hands warm. I bought Swany mitts this year - which are working out nice.

I like the pocket for disposable heaters. Other people need mittens when it gets to 20 or so - I need heaters inside the mittens.

I prefer a removable liner (which mine currently don't have) so they dry better overnight, but unless you can get the liner to go back in without getting all tangled up (especially if it has individual fingers) don't bother.

I also absolutely need the idiot string to hold them on my wrists when I'm on the chair. If people think it's unnecessary they can cut it off. And I like the other string that tightens the cuff to keep snow out. Like others have said, the longer the gauntlet the better.

While I personally couldn't see using it, the goggle wiper is a good feature. I know it's the main feature Mr.AG looks for in gloves. And if you think it would trash your goggles, don't use it, right?

The Swanys are also nice because they have a soft sort of fleecy spot on the back for wiping your face off. But it doesn't soak up the water. No idea what it's made of. Also like leather or something grippy and durable on the palm side.

Aside from that, they just need to be durable. I had some Dakine mitts last year that were covered with duct tape by spring. Problems were mostly on the thumb - particularly from carrying skis.

That's all I can think of.

[Mountain Junkie]

Here's my take. Stick with your core tenet-incredible durability at a great price. Adding bells and whistles might be nice, but if you are compromising durablity and/or price, then make sure they are must have, not a would be nice to have feature.

One more vote for a gauntlet style glove with removable/swappable liners, ala Hestra. Also, lobster style gloves are great. I had a pair that I really like, but the palm rubber material self destructed after half a season of use. Good R&D for you.

I have mixed feelings about using "waterproof" nylon laminates. The water resistance is temporary with laminates, and the breathability is so-so. Maybe look at a material with good wicking and insulation, something like along the lines of PowerStretch for the liner, then some sort of durable water resistant shell.

On a side note, I would be interested in a durable mtneering glove. Some of the new stuff by BD and Cloudveil are nice, but don't seem to be especially durable. I think if you could acheive the right combination of durablity, dexterity, price and warmth you'd have a winner.

[gonzo]

soooo i guess all that gore-tex dental floss is not such a good idea? holy poop.

[DINMS]

I've got pass-pockets(windows) in my jacket and my pants. Can't see why I'd want em in my gloves

Well some of us don't have rich boy pants and jacket with all you fancy do dahs!

[dude_le_skibum]

Originally posted by Crinkle
Rubber pyrex squigy thingy on the glove for wiping ice and crap off your goggles. I have a pair of Bonfire gloves with this, nice feature. Any questions i can post a pic.

i second that i have one on the thumb and it works. and well the studs could be faat

how 'bout a lighter version for park and touring ?

[Spats]

These are the trigger mitts I have. Everything about them kicks ass except the price:

http://www.rbhdesigns.com/trig.htm

At Kirkwood my hands were never anything less than extremely warm. Sometimes I'd take them off to cool down!

Features of the RBH that kick ass and any ultimate hand protection should have:
-Trigger mitts are the best design, period. Warmth of a mitten, dexterity of a glove. People who won't try them are utterly missing out.
-Gauntlets. I don't want snow up my arms, and I don't want to have to fuss with my jacket's wrist velcro every time I take them off and put them on. Mid-forearm length is fine if they have a one-hand closure.
-Fleece nose wipe on back of thumbs. We all know why.
-Like the KevGlove, the entire palm and sides of the fingers are made of tough material (RBH uses leather, but Kevlar is fine too).
-Liner which velcros in all the way around the outside of the gauntlet. I can put the Triggs on one-handed, unlike insulated linerless gloves which require a struggle and are nearly impossible to remove when sweaty, and unlike unattached liners which you have to hold with the other hand so they don't bunch up or come out.
-The wrist strap is arranged such that it's really easy to tighten or loosen one-handed with gloves on. It's hard to see from the pictures but it works really well.
-The vapor barrier liners are REALLY fucking warm. Maybe this is an option, because the fabric is probably expensive.

Features the RBH doesn't have but I want:
-D-rings on the outside instead of leashes. Possible attachments include a hanger clip, a wrist leash, a hanger clip on a long strap, etc. I don't like built-in long leashes because they catch on trees and things, but lots of people do.