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[FreakofSnow]

Originally posted by Punani
How about some studded gloves?

http://www.bikerleather.com/gloves/art/GL2010.jpg

These would go perfectly with my Seth Pistols.

[Foggy_Goggles]

On the gauntlet, double adjustments somewhat ala Burton. Basically, you can tighten or loosen the cuff via different sides of the golve (make sense?).

Leashes are good, but make them shorter than most. If their too long they tend to get filled up with snow when they're just hangin.

And make them in Advantage Wedlands please.

Check out Cabellas to see what the competion has. Their $40 gore-tex/primaloft glove is the best I've ever had.

[Telenater]

I've skied almost exclusively with shell mittens for the past few winters and would still be using them if I hadn't found some sweet new gloves really cheap.

But, here's my thoughts on what I really want... (and would love to have for testing purposes).

Lobster gloves because they're warmer than mittens and far easier to attach leashes to skis/boots with.

Removable liner. Remove the liners turn the shell inside out, and sleep with them in your bag when in the bc and they'll be dry and warm in the morning. That doesn't work so well with non removable liners. I like fleece liners because they're easy to care for and wash. Also, in spring, you can wear a liner or nothing for the climb up and just the shell for the way down. Sure they're a little oversized, but they still protect your skin from the wind and abrasion.

Long gauntlet. Close to elbow length. Keeps snow out when digging snow pits, snow caves and grinding ice for margaritas.

Two cinchs. One to pull the glove tight at the wrist and one at the end of the gauntlet.

More insulation on the back of hand than the palm. Also helps maintain dexterity.

Foam padding over knuckles, the back of the hand and down the outside of the gauntlet. Protects against stray branches and rocks that you might clip with your hand. Also, increased stiffness in the gauntlet makes it easier to pull on with gloves.

Bomb proof palm (you got the material already, but make sure that the material curves up over the finger tips and down the top to at least the first knuckle).

When you get on to designing pants, I've put a fair amount of thought into them too.

[lph]

Thanks for all the response so far. A ton of ideas I had never thought of. Keep them coming.

Believe it or not I am taking notes. (you're not going to delete the archives are you ONS?)

[splat]

Start a file, lph. Great feedback, you guys. Nice vision, Walter.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Originally posted by splat
Nice vision, Walter.

Except for that part about skiing naked & sweaty in a fart bag.

[ak_powder_monkey]

Make the liner wick mosture away from the skin, it would also be nice if there was a way that you could keep the insides from freezing when you take them off to do stuff

[mildbill.]

soft shell moto style glove with leather palm (see marmot ice moto) with a goretex over-glove and a primaloft over-lobster-mitt.

modular, covers all your bases.

[vinzclortho]

I would suggest a built in squeegee on maybe the backs of the thumbs.

Splat's built-in-pass-window idea is cool but then I think it's ESSENTIAL to have the cords to attach the glove to your jacket, it would SUCK losing that glove over a closed-off area. (fee to replace your lost pass, plus losing the glove PLUS risking having your pass pulled all-together for skiing a closed-off area just doesn't seem worth it)


Either a gauntlet design to go up high over the jacket, or thinner/longish...say1/3 of the way up the wrist, but can still be tucked into your jacket sleeve and closed off under the velcro in the jacket wrist for no exposed skin.

I have weak gordini gloves which are a fleece liner and gore-tex outside, problems I have with them: pain in the ASS getting them tucked into my jacket sleeve even with one hand free meaning un-gloved, once the inside gets wet, the party is over and I have to ski with cold wet hands and the exterior of the glove is uselsess without the interior. In fact, SEND ME A PAIR OF THE MAGGOT GLOVES!!!!

[lph]

Originally posted by vinzclortho
In fact, SEND ME A PAIR OF THE MAGGOT GLOVES!!!!

We would be happy to! Actually, I skied with Punani on saturday, for California, it was bitterly cold. LA boy wore them all day, and kept commenting on how warm and dry they were.

About this squeegie, I would feel similiar to others that it would damage the coating on the lenses. Those of you who have had experience with this feature, has it damaged the coating?

[Cornholio]

Seems like lots of people have said this, but this is my thought, too:

Remove the concept of a "liner". I want an "internal glove" and an "external glove", both of which can be worn alone.

I won't buy a glove without a long gauntlet anymore.

I haven't used little cords since I was six, but I've pretty much reverted to kindergarten-like behavior in every other aspect of my life, so why not?

Make sure your ultra-tough palm material wraps around the outside of the palm enough to ensure durability if one were to wrap a cord or rope around your palm to tug on it. Eg:

http://www.douglasgill.com/prod-745glove-180.gif

Seems like you have good ideas so far, doods. Keep it up!!

[Plakespear]

Originally posted by lph
Those of you who have had experience with this feature, has it damaged the coating?

Yes. I ruined the lenses on my Oakleys scraping off the ice coating that resulted from getting blasted by snow guns. The actual plutonite lenses are tough to scratch, but the irudium coating is very vulnerable to scratching.

[hijack/tangent]
If PMgear ever decides to make a goggle, perhaps putting the coating on the inner lens and leaving the outer lens clear would eliminate this problem.

[phUnk]

I've got pass-pockets(windows) in my jacket and my pants. Can't see why I'd want em in my gloves. The window's plastic would get torn up from blocking tree branches, etc. When that plastic gets beat up, the crappy pass scanners that resorts use won't read your pass for shit.

Also, the gloves should be cute, and fuzzy, with tons of firepower.

[board]

removeable liner is a must, I value waterproofness waaaaay above any breathabilty that gore tex xcr offers and palm/fingers are high wear areas which really need to be set up to reduce stress or abraisions to the stiching. that is where most of my gloves have failed me.

[splat]

Originally posted by phUnk
Also, the gloves should be cute, and fuzzy, with tons of firepower.

lph, shall we show the firepower???????????????????????


edit: board: we have the finger/palm durability issue solved with kevlar. we also have the waterproof/windproof issue handled with Porelle, the Euro equivalent of goretex. goretex, because it utilizes teflon (which was recently deemed poisonous in a 20/20 story this week), could become an inappropriate material to use in future ski gear.

[TomK]

What Walter said.
I have a pair of DaKines that is very close to his ideas, but of course they are no longer on the market.

The lobstrosity trigger-mitts work very well for cold handed folks.
Better than mittens. Modular idea should include these as well as mitts and gloves.

A pass window on the back of the hand might get ripped too easily while brushwhacking. A window on the cuff of a gauntlet would be better.

A squeegee would need to be very soft. Like SKI-GEE rubber. The ones I've seen are too hard and likely to scratch lenses.
Maybe a soft wiper on one glove for rain and a harder one for ice on the the other? Make them different colors - pink for rain, blue for ice. Squeegee on the back of the base of the thumb.
Snotrag patch on the back of the index fingers.

For the retainer cord, a little stash pocket to tuck them into if not used would be a nice touch.

The wrist cinch strap should be narrow enough to accomodate the width of a watch. Say 2cm (3/4 ").


For me, price is not as important as function.

[LCC]

Originally posted by Telenater
Removable liner. Remove the liners turn the shell inside out, and sleep with them in your bag when in the bc and they'll be dry and warm in the morning. That doesn't work so well with non removable liners. I like fleece liners because they're easy to care for and wash. Also, in spring, you can wear a liner or nothing for the climb up and just the shell for the way down. Sure they're a little oversized, but they still protect your skin from the wind and abrasion.

Long gauntlet. Close to elbow length. Keeps snow out when digging snow pits, snow caves and grinding ice for margaritas.

Two cinchs. One to pull the glove tight at the wrist and one at the end of the gauntlet.

More insulation on the back of hand than the palm. Also helps maintain dexterity.

Foam padding over knuckles, the back of the hand and down the outside of the gauntlet. Protects against stray branches and rocks that you might clip with your hand. Also, increased stiffness in the gauntlet makes it easier to pull on with gloves.

Bomb proof palm (you got the material already, but make sure that the material curves up over the finger tips and down the top to at least the first knuckle).

That just about nails what I'm looking for in a glove. Also, that little goggle squeegie thing kinda sucks. I have one on my Burtons that seems like every time I wipe my nose rips the shit out of a cold nose (gonna need some soft fabric to wipe onto). Really annoys me. Why have I not cut if off is beyond me. Also, if you put the leashes on them, make them removable via a loop knot of some type, not all of us like them, but not all of us want to cut them off either.

[vinzclortho]

how aboot one glove with the soft squeegee and the other with the booger guard? that way you get usefulness out of both of 'em. The scratching the of the lenses is a tough call though. so I guess when we start making goggles does it make sense to have a triple-ply kinda deal where the middle layer has the coating on it so you don't either scratch it while either wiping off snow off either side (in or out) or getting the fog out of the inside.

phunk's comment on the bushwacking/pass window are right on, at least on the east coast if you want fresh in the trees, you gotta be ready to keep branches and brush out of your face.

[Grange]

The warmest gloves I own are some generic brand but have a synthetic wool blend for padding. It think the warmth has something to do with feeling of my hand being snug in the glove versus warnout thinsulate. I like the idea of interchangeable liners with a gortex lined shell because then the gloves would be good all year long.

Draw strings at the end of the gloves that also work as "mitten clips" would be at nice touch.

[Big E]

Forget the 3 foot long gauntlet stuff to keep snow out when you yard sale. It's high time somebody integrated their gloves with their jackets, so that they functioned as one piece. A zipper and storm shield and you've got a more effective water/snow barrier than anything save non-detachable gloves on the end of the jacket arms. Make nice big zipper pulls so you can get them off easy, and it will be no worse than what we currently fight trying to keep some sort of seal between glove and jacket.

And I want the patent on this one.

ONS - don't delete this thread, I'll need it for trial

[The Reverend Floater]

I like Nate's idea of the super long gauntlet, for sure. Just be sure that the gauntlet cinches up real tight to make it easy to pull your coat over the glove. What about a bomber, detachable gauntlet? I'm thinking about stuff where I'm constantly taking my gloves on and off (writing, working outside, avy classes) and it might be a pain in the ass to have a huge gauntlet. But the rest of the time.....mmmmmmmmm.

Make sure the palms are super bomber. I've diced more than one glove on my snow saw, and plain wore out a few others.

One thing to consider for a "patrol model" type glove would be to incorporate the hunter's glove model of an pointer-finger and thumb where you can essentially expose the tips of your finger and thumb by folding back the tips which velcroe to the glove. I know I'd find this handy when writing and also when putting in Mr. Copenhagen, packing a salad, or dealing with velcro, zippers, etc. Combine this with the "liner" underneath, and you're still toasty and bomber. Example: The Glacier Glove I use for hunting:

https://secure1.nexternal.com/gloves/images/951bk.jpg

I'd also like to see a very easy system of sticking the gloves together--like huge velcro patches or something instead of those shitty little clips. This would ease packing in bad weather and/or on the lift.

Finally, make 'em comfy!

[Buster Highmen]

Originally posted by vinzclortho

Splat's built-in-pass-window idea is cool...

Ah history...

[Stormin]

The best gloves I have found are some Kombi gloves I found at Costco for $20 or $25. They are goretex and made from cordura/ripstop nylon material. The palms are covered with some type of textured rubber material which has held up great. They have elastic/velcro strap at the wrist and a unlined gauntlet with bungie cord at the top which you can tighten with one hand. The guantlets open wide and are stiff enough that they stay open making them easy to get on. They have more insulation on the top of the hand and less on the palm side so you have great feel and the finger liners dont feel like they are pulling away from the tips of gloves when you move them towards your palms like a lot of the more expensive gloves I've tried. I've used them for 4 50+ day years and the only problem I've had is that they are starting to come apart on the seam between the index and middle finger.

http://www.biglines.com/photos/blpic15378.jpg

[splat]

Originally posted by Buster Highmen
Ah history...

I don't ever remember suggesting that.......

I have a good memory, it just doesn't last very long?

[lph]

Splat and Buster,

that was me and my lame attempt at subtle humor. Buster said he wanted the patent, so when I quoted him, i replaced Splat's name for Buster's.