Shiffrin

[anotherVTskibum]

Baywatch boy won so many titles because he was the biggest marketing force in surfing. If ski racing was a judged event the most popular skiers would win even more.

Like mogul skiing, you mean?

*cough*Kearney*cough*



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[boltonoutlaw]

Baywatch boy won so many titles because he was the biggest marketing force in surfing. If ski racing was a judged event the most popular skiers would win even more.

Easy for a benchwarmer to say this.

[TahoeJ]

Kelly Slater

Both the youngest (20) and oldest (39) to ever win the WSL title. I think 11 titles overall. Pretty amazing.

Baywatch boy won so many titles because he was the biggest marketing force in surfing. If ski racing was a judged event the most popular skiers would win even more.

This is nonsense.

[Hood26]

[altasnob]

Baywatch boy won so many titles because he was the biggest marketing force in surfing. If ski racing was a judged event the most popular skiers would win even more.

I do appreciate the objectivity of ski racing. It doesn't matter if people think you look like shit. If you have the fastest time, you win. And the tech events are even more objective than the speed events, where wax and skis can play more of a role on who wins.

[TahoeJ]

Kelly Slater

Impressive, but my biggest takeaway from that list is just how insanely dominant Tiger Woods was. It's absolutely more difficult to win that high a percentage of golf tournaments... pretty nuts. And that list is including his later years. 1997 - 2008 Tiger is the peak of dominance in a sport, beyond even MJ's 6 titles in 8 years.

(I'm leaving out Bill Russell because there were only 8 NBA teams back then)

[Hood26]

Impressive, but my biggest takeaway from that list is just how insanely dominant Tiger Woods was. It's absolutely more difficult to win that high a percentage of golf tournaments... pretty nuts. And that list is including his later years. 1997 - 2008 Tiger is the peak of dominance in a sport, beyond even MJ's 6 titles in 8 years.

(I'm leaving out Bill Russell because there were only 8 NBA teams back then)

Yeah, but it’s fucking golf; a game.

[jackstraw]

Baywatch boy won so many titles because he was the biggest marketing force in surfing. If ski racing was a judged event the most popular skiers would win even more.

You just defined "kook" with that post.

[altacoup]

Love all the hardcore heavies bouncing Slaters balls off their chins. Competitive surfing is a joke. Half the time the competition is held on the equivalent of chopped up green run. There’s plenty of other surfers I’d rather watch who aren’t douche bags.


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[TahoeJ]

Yeah, but it’s fucking golf; a game.

I've never heard someone who was decent at golf call it that. 1991 called and wants its narrative back. The overwhelming majority of pro athletes all agree golf is hard as shit.

[Hood26]

I am terrible at golf. It does require athleticism. It is still a game.

Golfers, race car drivers, trap shooters, curlers, dart throwers, and corn holers; none of them belong in talk of GOATs.

Back to Shiffrin. She had already planned to skip St. Anton this weekend. Next up for her is Cortina next week.

[TahoeJ]

You know nothing about golf if you don't think it's a sport. There's a reason all of these guys have personal trainers and work on increasing fast twitch muscle and swing speeds. It can be tough on your body - probably more so than baseball (except for pitchers and catchers). Golfers win ESPY awards, get featured on SPORTS Center, get listed in charts like the one above in this thread, etc. Just stop - you're being ridiculous and archaic.

[buttahflake]

Easily the hardest sport I ever tried to get good at, good golfers are good athletes, it’s just that simple. I never got close to good, so I gave it up.

[~mikey b]

I know a lot about golf and I know it’s not a sport

I used to think it was a fun game but it’s certainly not a sport

[m2711c]

there can be only one goat…





fact.

[TahoeJ]

I know a lot about golf and I know it’s not a sport

I highly doubt that. You just don't know what you don't know. Going out a few times a year and slapping the ball around is almost meaningless in comparison to the competitive level. In high school I was invited to try-out for the US Men's National Soccer U-19 team (so I was pretty damn good) and also a top level golfer. Golf was far harder on my body; in fact, I had to give up both sports in college for a few years because of golf-related back issues.

Anyway, this is a dumb discussion. Back to skiing...

[From_the_NEK]

This argument is getting stupider than the "how many pull-ups can she do?" BS.
This is the Shiffrin thread.
If you want to debate who is actually an athlete, start a new thread in the padded room.

[jono]

Since he's apparently not going to say it I'm gonna mess up a little Hemingway. There are 4 sports: racing, climbing, boxing and bullfighting. All the rest are merely games.

Ditch digging is an athletic endeavor. I bet really good ditch diggers can do some pull-ups. It's not a sport.

Bring on 83!!

[Danno]

Before you argue what is a sport you have to define "sport".

And race car drivers (saw that mentioned) have to be seriously fit. Maybe it's not a sport -- I haven't defined sport -- but golf and race car driving require superior athletic ability.

And yeah, this is the Shiffrin thread, but she isn't racing for a few days so no harm in bullshitting about other stuff.

[Supermoon]

If we’re talking about greatest athletes of all time, I think there needs to be some thought to the idea of how each kind of athlete would fare in other sports. World class NFL and NBA players would certainly do better at golf than Tiger would do in the NBA.

Mookie Betts is a professional bowler on the side. Not that professional bowlers don’t have any athletic prowess, but none of them are hitting a major league fastball anytime soon.

NFL/NBA/MLB/NHL athletes are true freaks of nature. Most of them could have been pros in different sports if they had dedicated their lives to it instead of whatever sport they ended up playing.

[k2skier112]

My prediction is she'll at least tie Ingemar's 86 this season

Those who think golf's not a sport have never played 72 holes walking in 4 days, and shot under 90 on all rounds
settled, golf is a sport. football and baseball are called games, but still a sport

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dict...%2C%20derision
sport

2 of 3
noun
1
a
: a source of diversion : RECREATION
b
: sexual play
c
(1)
: physical activity engaged in for pleasure
(2)
: a particular activity (such as an athletic game) so engaged in

[Danno]

If we’re talking about greatest athletes of all time, I think there needs to be some thought to the idea of how each kind of athlete would fare in other sports. World class NFL and NBA players would certainly do better at golf than Tiger would do in the NBA.

Mookie Betts is a professional bowler on the side. Not that professional bowlers don’t have any athletic prowess, but none of them are hitting a major league fastball anytime soon.

NFL/NBA/MLB/NHL athletes are true freaks of nature. Most of them could have been pros in different sports if they had dedicated their lives to it instead of whatever sport they ended up playing.

I think your post is remarkably US sports league myopic.

I think the very best at most sports could have been great at other sports. If Mikaela had been a soccer player from day 1, I have a hard time believing she wouldn't have been awesome at it. And I have little doubt that Tiger could have crushed it at other sports. The NBA, maybe not because he's not tall enough, but he would have been a hell of a baseball player, I bet. So I think the idea that Aaron Donald would be better at golf than Tiger would be at some other sport is not only unprovable, but a silly assertion.

And yeah, true freaks of nature.

[waxman]

NFL/NBA/MLB/NHL athletes are true freaks of nature. Most of them could have been pros in different sports if they had dedicated their lives to it instead of whatever sport they ended up playing.

It's been a while but do you remember those made for TV challenges between different "pro" sports. Anytime a skier or motocrosser showed up they pretty much crushed the dude(s) that played games for a living. I think Picabo Street beat most of the men in one show.
The last one I can recall was with Jonny Mosely and it was amusing how well he did against the "pro" game players.

[Mofro261]

Sheep go to heaven

GOATS go to hell

[Danno]

It's been a while but do you remember those made for TV challenges between different "pro" sports. Anytime a skier or motocrosser showed up they pretty much crushed the dude(s) that played games for a living. I think Picabo Street beat most of the men in one show.
The last one I can recall was with Jonny Mosely and it was amusing how well he did against the "pro" game players.

It was mentioned upthread, but you're the second person to mention Moseley winning, and he didn't win "superstars" which is the one I remember, so there must have been others too. But yeah, Herman Maier and Jeremy Bloom won superstars and certainly other winners were not all NFL/NBA/MLB/NHL players.