Coyote Problem

[irul&ublo]

How did two coyotes get in your bathrobe? That would have pissed me off too.

[summit]

Drop the knowledge, Summit. What made up criteria are needed to form an opinion on killing coyotes? Everything you think you know about my experiences is an assumption.

You invite assumption when you refuse to your basis of experience.

[DBdude]

Yep... you know a couple ethical ideas but not much about what nature really is like.

i live in coyote country and Maz has it right, keep your animals from being prey objects

douche

[iceman]

You invite assumption when you refuse to your basis of experience.

I assume you forgot to add "disclose" or similar. Are you a Birther now?

[iceman]

i live in coyote country and Maz has it right, keep your animals from being prey objects

douche

If you go around upstate NY every farmhouse has a chainlink fence around a piece of the yard just outside the back door so they can let the dogs outside at night and not worry about it. The place is overrun with coyotes but dogs don't die.

[TAFKALVS]

Knowing Woody, I'm guessing it's a flannel bathrobe.

Correct.

[summit]

i live in coyote country and Maz has it right, keep your animals from being prey objects

douche

Oh I think there is a lot more to Maz's opinions, as he has already stated

And how is calling him off his high horse make me a douche?

I assume you forgot to add "disclose" or similar. Are you a Birther now?

I'm not even sure what you are referring to? And of course no, that is asinine!

[iceman]

I'm not even sure what you are referring to?

You invite assumption when you refuse to your basis of experience.

There's a word missing from the latter quote, the sentence doesn't make sense. I was asking if you meant to write, "You invite assumption when you refuse to [disclose] your basis of experience."

[summit]

There's a word missing from the second quote, the sentence doesn't make sense. I was asking if you meant to write, "You invite assumption when you refuse to [disclose] your basis of experience."

yes typed in haste.. how the hell does that make me a birthertard?

[iceman]

yes typed in haste.. how the hell does that make me a birthertard?

Because in your earlier post you seem to be insinuating that only somebody who is from hicksville is entitled to have an opinion on this topic, that's why. What difference does it matter where he's from, or where he was born, or "Birthed"?

What basis do you have for your ideal of what it means to live with nature, city boy?

(I didn't meean an actual Trump-style Birther, I was more trying to be punny with that)

[summit]

Because in your earlier post you seem to be insinuating that only somebody who is from hicksville is entitled to have an opinion on this topic, that's why. What difference does it matter where he's from, or where he was born, or "Birthed"?

I've moved around too much in my life to put any stock in where someone was born. Where they lived forms perspectives.

[iceman]

Well it takes experience to say "you don't understand what a pain in the ass they are" but it doesn't require any local knowledge to say "you moved into an animal's environment and now want to kill it for being itself and that is wrong". So I say where he's from and where he has lived is irrelevant. He's allowed to have an opinion regardless of that.

[Mazderati]

And how is calling him off his high horse...

Pull up a horse and ladder. Arrogance is thinking you're justified in taking from the environment whatever you want simply because you can.

[Mazderati]

Clearly the only way to settle this matter is a joust. My mask is easily identifiable.

[bodywhomper]

i live in coyote country and Maz has it right, keep your animals from being prey objects

douche

Qft

Personally, our bigger concerns are the cats and the black bears. We smell cat occasionally. The kids often come in at dusk if no parent is nearby. The dog (half hound, 1 yo), was pretty bonkers on a bear scent a few weeks ago. We see less deer and coyote using their path by our house now that we have a big dog.

[Bunion 2020]

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Montana State University sent out text message and email alerts overnight warning people that a mountain lion had been seen near campus.

The alert was sent shortly before 2 a.m., after the animal was seen reportedly heading in the direction of campus, according to campus police dispatch.

The warning urged people not to approach the cat if seen and to take caution when walking on campus. University police asked people to report sightings to 994-2121.

Dispatch said no additional sightings of the animal had been called in since the alert went out.

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A 4-year-old girl is recovering after a mountain lion tried to drag her away from the campsite where she was staying with her family, according to a local report.

[riser4]

What mazz and people like him are voicing is almost enough to make me change my long held views and start shooting coyotes for fun.

[summit]

Well it takes experience to say "you don't understand what a pain in the ass they are" but it doesn't require any local knowledge to say "you moved into an animal's environment and now want to kill it for being itself and that is wrong". So I say where he's from and where he has lived is irrelevant. He's allowed to have an opinion regardless of that.

He can have an opinion, and I can give it little weight.

I don't ascribe any special value to something being "natural" over "unnatural" when the latter means a uniquely human creation or methodology. I don't view animals as sacred beings, but I abhor needless killing and suffering. I view humans as part of nature as opposed to a blight, intruder, and destroyer. Humans can be those things, but being master of ones environment, the apex predator of the planet, and controlling one's environment doesn't mean one should act as though a rural house is a tent in the middle of a Designated Wilderness Area, but with plumbing and electricity.

Nature is uncaring, and animals are self-interested self-replicating biological machines, even the cute fuzzy wuzzies that bear a physical resemblance to beloved Fido. Animals won't hesitate to kill the fuck out of another species when it moves into a new territory to establish dominance, to eliminate competition, or just because. Animals do carry out what humans recognize as warfare, infanticide, cannibalism, and killing for entertainment and pleasure. Animals do not understand mercy and coexistance for ideological reasons. That is a human capability.

When I ask about where people live, it is because it takes a city dweller much more effort to understand the above aspects when many have a primary conception of nature as a warped projection of idyllic human harmony and peaceful coexistence formed by some combination of short trips to the countryside and feel-good preservationist ideology.

How many people who are crying for coyotes approve of catch and release fishing? Apply the same ideals and fishing is just recreational torture/murder vastly more cruel, and totally unjustified compared to shooting a coyote near a human dwelling or in a ranch pasture. The only reason people are throwing a shit fit over coyotes is for emotional reasons: the animal is cute and fuzzy and looks like Fido.

[Tippster]

How many people who are crying for coyotes approve of catch and release fishing? Apply the same ideals and fishing is just recreational torture/murder vastly more cruel, and totally unjustified compared to shooting a coyote near a human dwelling or in a ranch pasture...

Well I'm sure the fish prefer C&R over catch and kill...

[BCMtnHound]

I blame Disney.

[summit]

Well I'm sure the fish prefer C&R over catch and kill...

Throwing back injured fish to possibly die versus keeping them and eating them so that their death has purpose according to our ethic?

[Tippster]

If you're injuring the fish to the point of them dying you're doing it wrong.

[KQ]

Saw coyote tracks right up to the back of my barn this morning. They've been very active this last week. Heard one this morning yipping out in my front field around 5am.

Curious - what do you all think about this? Not debating the method of extermination but rather the idea that some of these people WANTED the coyotes in their neighborhood because they live in the city and desire wildlife. For those of you who don't know Seattle, Laurelhurst is a neighborhood in the thick of it on the shores of Lake Washington basically in the thick of the city. Wall to wall homes and people just to the north of UW.

Neighbors divided over 3 coyotes killed in Laurelhurst

A Seattle neighborhood is divided over a coyote pack that was recently killed.

According to USDA APHIS, someone asked for them to remove the coyotes. Other neighbors are horrified.

"It was howling. It was crying. It was moaning. It was horrible," Nancy Bagnulo said.

Early Tuesday morning, several people woke up to gunshots near the Talaris conference center in Seattle's Laurelhurst neighborhood.

Bozena Jakubik left her house to see what happened, noticing a white truck driving off. Daylight revealed more of what she'd heard overnight.

"I saw this huge stain of blood coming from the exit of her den," she said.

According to USDA, three coyotes were killed.

"Wildlife services received a request to assist in the management of several coyotes near the Laurelhurst neighborhood in Seattle. The coyotes had become increasingly aggressive toward people and pets in the area," Jeanine Neskey said.

The coyotes were killed on the Talaris conference center property. The center did not return phone calls asking for comment.

Neighbors said the coyote had pups, and by simply leaving her alone, they never had an issue.

"I'm bothered by the fact we weren't given the notice or chance to weigh in on this decision," Janice Sutter said.

According to USDA, someone requested their services. They worked for 3-nights, and used a call box, which is a device that mimics animal distress sounds and attracts coyotes.

"The thing that bothers me mostly is that they're baiting them. I just don't think that's right," Linn Blakeney said.

"I like the coyotes and it just makes me sick," David Barnes added.

Wildlife officials believe there are no more coyotes left in this spot, but neighbors worry there may be a pup remaining.

"I've seen him running frantically out on the property and calling and crying and looking for his family," Jakubik said.

Nancy Bagnulo and others say, they like living here because it's a little bit of wild in the heart of a city, and that means learning to live together.

"If not, there's not going to be any wildlife left. It's just going to be people. And who wants that, really?" Bagnulo said.

[KQ]

If you're injuring the fish to the point of them dying you're doing it wrong.

how do you know they don't go off and eventually die from having a sharp piece of metal pierce their flesh not to mention being pulled out of the water, gasping for air and the stress of it all? Just asking.

[plugboots]

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