This looks fun.......first time I've looked at a camera from sony in a while

[systemoverblow'd]

^don't get me wrong... the DSLR is a tool. I would much rather be shooting on a real camera. I love the EX3. But since shooting isn't my career I'm not about to spend $8K+ for something I use occasionally. For me, a 7D or 5D2 are just dandy and has made me a little money on the side shooting video as well as my hobby of taking crappy pictures to make me happy.

[Tippster]

Hey Tip: you ever pull the 'uncompressed' 1080i feed off the hd-sdi output on your panasonic hpx170? If so what do you use for a recorder? Is it worth doing if my output is always going to be 720/24p something? How tough is it to retain the weird frame rates like 48fps?

Short answer is "no." Why record externally when the full 100mbps P2 is so awesome (plays very nice w/our AVID.) Besides, I may be wrong but to my knowledge the HPX170 is 720 native and up-converts internally to 1080i.

[kidwoo]

Short answer is "no." Why record externally when the full 100mbps P2 is so awesome (plays very nice w/our AVID.) Besides, I may be wrong but to my knowledge the HPX170 is 720 native and up-converts internally to 1080i.

No it's supposed to be a native 1080i camera. The idea is just to get around the compression.....even though it's minimal and pretty good. Most people who have tried it seem to prefer it but I have no idea what their delivery/frame rates are.

[Meathelmet]

But why show footage that way, ungraded when demonstrating a new camera?

No one cares about the hazy 'ready for grading' look because it still doesn't tell you anything.

Actually it tells a everything (*) what pros need to know. Good,flat, reference clips with a large dynamic range and you get a shitload better overview what the cam is capable of.

Friends friend apparently got his hands on the blackmagics cam and he was quite blown away of the quality-to-price of the cam. The only thing he "complained" apparently was the complicated
layout for the onboard monitoring. For a bigger rig he wished that there would have been easier setup for a external 6" display and as it apparently is via the sdi output, there was some
issues with it. If I understood it right, they had to rig it via external black magic sdi box. dont know if it was due to some firmware stuff or whatnot, as normally there should not be any issues with that?
dont know if they were doing some on-the-fly-grading with it that way or why they were dicking around that way.

Interesting cam for sure, pity that I have to update my mkII for the mkIII or the 1D C in the coming months, otherwise the black magic would have been perfect cine body. atm I cant justify for having
2 eos bodies (primary & backup) AND a blackmagic for shooting cine only... or maybe I can..

[kidwoo]

Actually it tells a everything (*) what pros need to know. Good,flat, reference clips with a large dynamic range and you get a shitload better overview what the cam is capable of.

Friends friend apparently got his hands on the blackmagics cam and he was quite blown away of the quality-to-price of the cam. The only thing he "complained" apparently was the complicated
layout for the onboard monitoring. For a bigger rig he wished that there would have been easier setup for a external 6" display and as it apparently is via the sdi output, there was some
issues with it. If I understood it right, they had to rig it via external black magic sdi box. dont know if it was due to some firmware stuff or whatnot, as normally there should not be any issues with that?
dont know if they were doing some on-the-fly-grading with it that way or why they were dicking around that way.

Interesting cam for sure, pity that I have to update my mkII for the mkIII or the 1D C in the coming months, otherwise the black magic would have been perfect cine body. atm I cant justify for having
2 eos bodies (primary & backup) AND a blackmagic for shooting cine only... or maybe I can..

I get what you and system are saying......but I still want to see some of it pushed in these 'demos'. That's something I've had a little bit of a problem with regarding sonys in the past. You can shoot all wonderful and neutral and then when you DO go to grade.......there's nothing there. There may be dynamic range from a mine pit to the sun but I want to see that COLOR is recorded and handled well. And a common theme I keep seeing more and more of is that people don't do a whole lot of grading and their final output ends up still kind of looking like that. It's like the teal and orange plague. Anyway......it's all good. There have been a bunch of people putting the files up online and I've gotten to play with them. I know what I need to know. I'll admit, color is where I still feel like I'm learning every time I sit down.

I haven't been too impressed with the mk3 video stuff. Looks like essentially the same camera as the mk2. I'm trying to figure out how to get the scratch together just for a timelapse cam. A buddy keeps raving about how clean his night shots are at pretty high ISOs.

[systemoverblow'd]

I get what you and system are saying......but I still want to see some of it pushed in these 'demos'. That's something I've had a little bit of a problem with regarding sonys in the past. You can shoot all wonderful and neutral and then when you DO go to grade.......there's nothing there. There may be dynamic range from a mine pit to the sun but I want to see that COLOR is recorded and handled well. And a common theme I keep seeing more and more of is that people don't do a whole lot of grading and their final output ends up still kind of looking like that. It's like the teal and orange plague. Anyway......it's all good. There have been a bunch of people putting the files up online and I've gotten to play with them. I know what I need to know. I'll admit, color is where I still feel like I'm learning every time I sit down.

So you're mad that you're watching videos made my hacks? Maybe instead of hating on the camera you should be hating on the idiot behind the camera and NLE.

Most of these dickholes uploading flat videos to YouTube did it because "Philip Bloom told me to shoot cinestyle" and they have zero understanding of WHY they should be shooting it and tr post processing involved afterwards to make it look good.

[kidwoo]

So you're mad that you're watching videos made my hacks? Maybe instead of hating on the camera you should be hating on the idiot behind the camera and NLE.

Not sure where you got that. That's basically what I've been trying to say this whole time

Not hating on the camera at all. I just want to see someone shoot and finalize the way I would